Topic: Arizona " Birther Bill " Passes

[Libertas]

ARIZONA - 10 Electoral Votes!

If he fails to produce in Arizona, do you think he could carry an election? Actually the poser's world is closing in. Hopefully it won't be to long now.

Without Az he can win.  If this law is accepted before the election it is quite possible a big electoral state will pass a similar law.  That's when the cheese gets binding.

 

 

[IronDioPriest]

Holy sh*t. She also vetoed a bill that would have eliminated gun-free zones on campuses. Damn.

Governor Jan Brewer vetoes Arizona "Birther" bill.

[LadyVirginia]

Holy sh*t. She also vetoed a bill that would have eliminated gun-free zones on campuses. Damn.

Governor Jan Brewer vetoes Arizona "Birther" bill.

Another one bites the dust...and another one's gone...

[IronDioPriest]

Here's her justification:

"As a former Secretary of State (sic), I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to artibrary or politically-motivated decisions," Brewer wrote in her veto message to House Speaker Kirk Adams.

"In addition, I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for President (sic) of the greatest and most powerful nation on earth to submit their "early baptismal or circumcision certificates" among other records to the Arizona Secretary of State. This is a bridge too far," Brewer wrote.

And on the gun Bill:

SB 1467 was vetoed "because it is so poorly written," Brewer said.

"Bills impacting our Second Amendment rights have to be crystal clear so that gun owners don't become lawbreakers by accident," she wrote in her veto message to Senate President Russell Pearce.

The bill didn't define the "public right of way" where weapons could be carried on school campuses, and included K-12 schools where firearms are prohibited by federal law, Brewer wrote.

While the bill was "widely advertised" as applying to colleges and universities, it expressly superceded a law that allows school districts to enforce prohibitions against weapons on school grounds, she wrote.

"While I support the thoughtful expansion of where firearms should be allowed, the actual legislation that does so must be both unambiguous and clear to protect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners. Senate Bill 1467 is neither," Brewer wrote.

[IronDioPriest]

The test of the authenticity of her proclaimed justification will be what she does when the legislature rewrites these bills to address the concerns as she has defined them. I would assume the gun law would be the easiest to rectify. The birther bill, not so much. But if they do, and they address her specific concerns, she will be obligated to sign them, or she'll be politically dead in the water.

[LadyVirginia]

The test of the authenticity of her proclaimed justification will be what she does when the legislature rewrites these bills to address the concerns as she has defined them. I would assume the gun law would be the easiest to rectify. The birther bill, not so much. But if they do, and they address her specific concerns, she will be obligated to sign them, or she'll be politically dead in the water.

So nice when politicians let us know what their standards are.

[Pandora]

My gut-check tells me she's doing what she can to avoid court challenges in having the legislation written as Constitutional as can pass muster and with no ambiguity.

[IronDioPriest]

My gut-check tells me she's doing what she can to avoid court challenges in having the legislation written as Constitutional as can pass muster and with no ambiguity.

That's kinda what I'm thinking too. I was sucked in by the headline, but in reading her explanation, I think there is at least a logical conservative path to the veto decision. One can imagine the frenzy if a court challenge were to overturn the law. Avoiding such a frenzy with airtight legislation meant to withstand a court challenge is simply wise.

But like I said, if they repass one or both of these bills, and specifically address her concerns, she'll have to pass them.

[Pandora]

Yes.  And then we'll see.

We're so used to being betrayed, we expect it from any and all ... and now we've gone knee-jerk.  There is always time to determine if that back-pain is tension or a knife, but it's important to know which.

[LadyVirginia]

... and now we've gone knee-jerk. 

Maybe but I think that's better than waking up dead.

[Alphabet Soup]

Yes.  And then we'll see.

We're so used to being betrayed, we expect it from any and all ... and now we've gone knee-jerk.  There is always time to determine if that back-pain is tension or a knife, but it's important to know which.

I think I understand (and share) your frustration, but from what I gather Governor Brewer is being cautious. It isn't that she was "bought off" (as I've seen ranted elsewhere) or a "sleeper" (ditto), but doesn't want - or need - the blow-back from a poorly crafted piece of legislation.

We shall see....

[Pandora]

Yes.  And then we'll see.

We're so used to being betrayed, we expect it from any and all ... and now we've gone knee-jerk.  There is always time to determine if that back-pain is tension or a knife, but it's important to know which.

I think I understand (and share) your frustration, but from what I gather Governor Brewer is being cautious. It isn't that she was "bought off" (as I've seen ranted elsewhere) or a "sleeper" (ditto), but doesn't want - or need - the blow-back from a poorly crafted piece of legislation.

We shall see....

I suspect you've misunderstood my position.  We're on the same page here.

[Alphabet Soup]

Yes.  And then we'll see.

We're so used to being betrayed, we expect it from any and all ... and now we've gone knee-jerk.  There is always time to determine if that back-pain is tension or a knife, but it's important to know which.

I think I understand (and share) your frustration, but from what I gather Governor Brewer is being cautious. It isn't that she was "bought off" (as I've seen ranted elsewhere) or a "sleeper" (ditto), but doesn't want - or need - the blow-back from a poorly crafted piece of legislation.

We shall see....

I suspect you've misunderstood my position.  We're on the same page here.

Yea, probably. I'm dog tired and should just go zone out on the boob-toob (if I still did that sort of thing ;-)

[Pandora]

Look:

UPDATE: Governor Brewer just admitted on Greta’s show that the Arizona House has enough votes to override the veto. Brewer said the bills were “sloppily written.”

UPDATE: Here’s the video.
Governor Brewer said the “birther” bill was a distraction. She said she is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment but that the gun bill was sloppily written so she vetoed it too.

I'm not buying she's a sell-out; she's stood strong against all Duh Wun threw at her.  She wants the legislators to get their sh!t together and write tight bills because they're out of practice.

[LadyVirginia]

...write tight bills because they're out of practice.

 

Maybe the legislators could actually write the bills instead of their staffs?

[Pandora]

...write tight bills because they're out of practice.

 

Maybe the legislators could actually write the bills instead of their staffs?

Yah.  But that would involve, like, WORK.

[trapeze]

Okay, Birther Mystery Solved...finally

[BigAlSouth]

The test of the authenticity of her proclaimed justification will be what she does when the legislature rewrites these bills to address the concerns as she has defined them. I would assume the gun law would be the easiest to rectify. The birther bill, not so much. But if they do, and they address her specific concerns, she will be obligated to sign them, or she'll be politically dead in the water.

Or . . .

The legislature could just override her veto . . .

From Gateway Pundit: Governor Brewer just admitted on Greta’s show that the Arizona House has enough votes to override the veto. Brewer said the bills were “sloppily written.”

[Libertas]

Okay, Birther Mystery Solved...finally

Ohhh, ain't that cute?!

First of his generation to stand upright!

 

[Libertas]

The test of the authenticity of her proclaimed justification will be what she does when the legislature rewrites these bills to address the concerns as she has defined them. I would assume the gun law would be the easiest to rectify. The birther bill, not so much. But if they do, and they address her specific concerns, she will be obligated to sign them, or she'll be politically dead in the water.

Or . . .

The legislature could just override her veto . . .

From Gateway Pundit: Governor Brewer just admitted on Greta’s show that the Arizona House has enough votes to override the veto. Brewer said the bills were “sloppily written.”

I think the Gov has a valid point, why give the courts ammo to change the meaning of a law?  If they go the veto override route, they may be back to near square one on either bill depending on what the courts rule, and they will, bills like these never go unchallenged.