Topic: Gayness: Let's Talk about It

[BigAlSouth]

I must have missed the Duck Dynasty kerfuffle somewhere here at IAL. (I'll get to that in a minute.) I came home from work today, poured a glass of wine (2 Buck Chuck. Cabernet Savignon. I'm experimenting)

On Yahoo, I notice a neat little video presentation of the best "notes of the year." I thought it strange that 30 percent of them were about "coming out of the closet." Is it just me or am I too much a cynic to think that 3 out of ten of the best notes are about the acceptance of homosexual behavior being just the most natural of things to do? (See: http://shine.yahoo.com/photos/2013-letters-notes-slideshow/-photo-2737255-154400804.html ) Yeah, I'm thinking they were contrived and/or faked. Sorta like the gay waitress/waiter who posted a pic of some anti-gay slur on the receipt. Turns out she got a nice tip and had lied about it.

And what about this Phil Robertson fellow (Duck Dynasty A&E Cable) who quoted the bible, then used graphic words to express his amazement that men would choose "an anus to a vagina." The result (if you have been under a rock, or celebrating Christmas with the family, too busy to waste time with popular culture) being that the GLAAD Storm Troopers went crying to the A & E execs to demand that he be taken off the air for his "vile and bigoted" comments. My favorite quote was from the GLAAD dude who said Robertson's comments were "Un-Christian." Yeah, them GLAAD guys are the go-to organization when it comes to Biblical interpretation.

Of course, Jessee Jackson Sr. takes a week to get his little thoughts together, and as a "Reverend", criticizes what Robertson said as resulting from Robertson's "white privilege." I'm not making this up. Jessee says old Phil is a racist. Not so much for what Phil said about queers, but some old YouTube video where Phil said the Blacks he worked the fields with were all happy and singing. Yeah. Like that is so racist. (See: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/Jesse-Jackson-says-Duck-Dynastys-Phil-Robertson-is-more-offensive-than-the-Rosa-Parks-bus-driver.html ) Phil freely admits that he grew up "white trash" and worked the fields with Blacks.

But honestly, the Left isn't totally insane. Just mostly. Noted Feminist and Lesbian Camille Paglia came out and said "leave Phil alone!" Ms. Paglia said to stifle debate and another person's opinion is "utterly fascist and utterly Stalinist." (Remember when Rush Limbaugh attended some awards function and the host placed him beside Camille Paglia for sh*ts and giggles? Limbaugh said he had a grand time and they both shared a couple of cigars.)

So there it is, IAL.

[warpmine]

BAS: You didn't miss much but I'd say, you've summed it all up in a short essay.

[AlanS]

BAS: You didn't miss much but I'd say, you've summed it all up in a short essay.

Right on target.

[Pablo de Fleurs]

BAS: You didn't miss much but I'd say, you've summed it all up in a short essay.

Ditto.

I looked, listened, read & commented about this during the last week & 1/2 -  to the point where I got into a little trouble with lukewarm Christian who, while they maintain that they're NOT "P.C" -  have clearly been co-opted by it.

One young college-aged woman told me that Phil’s comments were “crass & inappropriate.” I asked “compared to what?” – Proverbs 5: 18-19 tells us:

18 Let your fountain be blessed,
And rejoice in the wife of your youth.
19 As a loving hind and a graceful doe,
Let her breasts satisfy you at all times;
Be [a]exhilarated always with her love.

And I have to conclude that the writer is thinking of the wife’s vagina & not a man’s anus in that passage.

Another, coming to the defense of the college girl, told me that she “heard” that Phil made some “ignorant” remarks about blacks. I told her to “read” not “hear”, that her judgment was clouded by the fact that she & her husband have adopted 2 black children (admirable, but itself co-opting), and then showed her Phil’s “black” remarks.

•   He was speaking of blacks he knew & worked with…not ALL blacks
•   He said they were Godly, happy & that he never heard a complaining word from out their mouths, and
•   All that in a pre-Civil Rights aware culture

…so I saw nothing wrong with his point of view.
I also think that, as a Christian patriot, rather than looking to be offended by something someone says, my 1st job (like my first love, Christ) is to stand alongside Mr. Robertson & support his leveraging his television opportunity as a nation-wide Christian witness.

On the 21st of January, there is a “Chick-Phil-A Day” planned. And, while the nearest Chick-Fil-A is a good 70 minute ride for me (not many in NJ)…I will be there, speaking with patriots and, uhm…others, too.   

[Pablo de Fleurs]

Additionally - Christians who want to womp Mr. Robertson had best re-read their Bible

• Leviticus 20:13
• Leviticus 18:22
• Romans 1: 26-28

Romans 1:26-28
26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

As for idiots who read this & then begin speaking about shellfish, mixed material garments & slavery - there are reasons for those topics that are nothing to do with the fact the an as$hole was then and still is an exit strategy...not an entrance; fornicate with it if you must (then, get AIDS & die)...but don't ask me to label it "love" or "marriage". It is perversion.

[OldSailor]

Guys, I don't know if you noticed but this "Phil is a bigot" kerfluffle has served as excellent cover for the Zero Administration's India blunder ... you remember, don't you the story of the Indian diplomat who was arrested and subjected to a strip search and a body cavity search by the US Marshal's Service over the super-serious crime of paying her maid less than minimum wage.

Wars have been triggered by less.

Zero heads for Hawaii while Phil gets fried in the media.   

[Pablo de Fleurs]

Of course, Jessee Jackson Sr. takes a week to get his little thoughts together, and as a "Reverend", criticizes what Robertson said as resulting from Robertson's "white privilege." I'm not making this up. Jessee says old Phil is a racist. Not so much for what Phil said about queers, but some old YouTube video where Phil said the Blacks he worked the fields with were all happy and singing. Yeah. Like that is so racist. (See: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/Jesse-Jackson-says-Duck-Dynastys-Phil-Robertson-is-more-offensive-than-the-Rosa-Parks-bus-driver.html ) Phil freely admits that he grew up "white trash" and worked the fields with Blacks.

Jesse "American Nigguh" Jackson isn't fit to bag ANY cotton picked by the black Americans alongside whom Phil Robertson worked.

[Pablo de Fleurs]

And one more thing...

After commenting, I realized that I hadn't yet fired up You.Version today for my audio devotional (read by Max Mclean)...so I did; and this portion of the reading jumped out:

Psalm 37:30-34 | King James Version

30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.
31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.
32 The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.
33 The Lord will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.
34 Wait on the Lord, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.


Tell that to your adversaries who harp "Judge not lest ye be judged" & other scriptural misinterpretations.

[Alphabet Soup]

I had some fun with the non-issue at Breitbart's and a few other sites but got bored with the skin-deep excuses for arguments by the leftists. All too often it was one guy dismembering a troll and then thirty-five minutes of high-fiving one another.

I did see some righties getting a little frothy and sought to keep them focused on mocking not murdering the mouth-breathers.

And I did view this as another exercise in proportional response. Take the bleedover effect of Cracker Barrel. In order to avoid possibly offending the fags they took action that definitely offended fans of the Robertsons (they removed Duck Dynasty merchandise). Then they doubled down on stupid by selectively restoring some of the items but calling to attention that they wouldn't store other items to avoid offending. Ultimately they put it all back - but only after revealing themselves as feckless weenies.

Some of my right-wing associates got worn out jumping on & off of the boycott wagon ;')

[BigAlSouth]

. . .
Another, coming to the defense of the college girl, told me that she “heard” that Phil made some “ignorant” remarks about blacks. I told her to “read” not “hear”, that her judgment was clouded by the fact that she & her husband have adopted 2 black children (admirable, but itself co-opting), and then showed her Phil’s “black” remarks.

•   He was speaking of blacks he knew & worked with…not ALL blacks
•   He said they were Godly, happy & that he never heard a complaining word from out their mouths, and
•   All that in a pre-Civil Rights aware culture

…so I saw nothing wrong with his point of view.

Exactly.

Phil was speaking about his own personal experience. The fact is, poor white trash and Blacks were pretty much on an equal social scale back in the twenties, thirties and forties. Rev. Jackson is the ignorant one, re-writing history to fit his late twentieth century view that the White Man is the Bogeyman. What does the Federal Government have to show for its intervention into the Black Family dynamics as it waged its War on Poverty? A divorce rate, illegitimacy rate and illiteracy rate triple the rates of pre-WOP intervention.

[Pablo de Fleurs]

What does the Federal Government have to show for its intervention into the Black Family dynamics as it waged its War on Poverty? A divorce rate, illegitimacy rate and illiteracy rate triple the rates of pre-WOP intervention.

And all those abortions...

...killing their own: apparently, though a mind is a terrible thing to waste...when coupled with a body, it isn't.

[Pandora]

And the Knockout Game.

Yay.

eta:  Was responding here to BAS.

[KittenClaws]

I moved back to Texas during a downturn in the oil industry and couldn't find work in my chosen field. Since I am not a welfare queen, I managed to find a job as a waitress at a private club. The women and men who worked there were attractive and fit (yes, I was at the time), because that is what private clubs required for their clientele.

A young man I worked with and also partied with afterwards, was a great dancer and a wonderful conversationalist, I adored him, but not in "that way".  His roommate used to pick him up after work. This would be around 3 a.m., sometimes later (or earlier, depending on how you look at it).

Anyway, one night this roommate of his was sitting at the bar moaning and groaning about how late it was. I'm thinking to myself what a jackass he is, so of course I must say something to my friend.  So, I take a moment and catch him aside and say "Damn, Albert. What is Johns problem? He's acting like your friggin' girlfriend or something."

He looks at me, wide, incredulous eyes and says "Kay! You don't know I'm gay - that John could well be considered my 'girlfriend'?"  I'm perfectly shocked. Never saw it. Maybe I didn't want to.

Well, about that time, the Manager, now my husband, walks up and there is some exchange I don't remember that ended with my future husband telling my "newly" gay friend to kiss his butt. Wherein said friend says bare it, wherein future husband turns and prepares to do so, with me immediately shouting NO! STOP! HE'S GAY!.

I truly liked this man.  We had conversations afterwards, about his homosexuality, about AIDS, promiscuity, why he chose the homosexual lifestyle, how his parents felt. 

There is more to this story, but suffice to say, that in the end I could not overcome my disgust.  This was well before the overt activism we see today, but an eye opener nonetheless.

[ChrstnHsbndFthr]

KC, in my mind it is perfectly OKAY to love the sinner, not the sin. I have many friends who I like, and some whom I LOVE, that I do not approve all that they do. Christ told us we would have to leave the world to avoid them and that He did not demand that. We cannot allow it to masquerade as Christianity, of course, but we need not stop loving these people.

This issue has not been about us not loving them, it is about THEM not accept us. We need to keep that perfectly clear. Phil spoke about loving the people, even though he could not understand their decisions. It was GLAAD that went on the attack. Phil was just being an Elder in the church. What else could he do?

But as for you, there is no guilt, or should be no guilt, in loving and enjoying a human being, even if you do not understand and do not approve of their choices.

[KittenClaws]

KC, in my mind it is perfectly OKAY to love the sinner, not the sin. I have many friends who I like, and some whom I LOVE, that I do not approve all that they do. Christ told us we would have to leave the world to avoid them and that He did not demand that. We cannot allow it to masquerade as Christianity, of course, but we need not stop loving these people.

This issue has not been about us not loving them, it is about THEM not accept us. We need to keep that perfectly clear. Phil spoke about loving the people, even though he could not understand their decisions. It was GLAAD that went on the attack. Phil was just being an Elder in the church. What else could he do?

But as for you, there is no guilt, or should be no guilt, in loving and enjoying a human being, even if you do not understand and do not approve of their choices.

I did say there was more to the story. I did adore this friend of mine. I was comfortable, though concerned, that he was a homosexual.  His grief about the rejection he endured from his family was truly pitiful. I even advised him to fake it - act straight before his family. But he chose honesty.

I was honest enough with him as well.  He was free to bring his friends to my apartment. One day, as they were sitting on the sofa, I asked "so, are you sitting girl, boy, girl, boy...or girl girl...boy boy.." It was all great fun ...they actually discussed it.

And then, before I found out it was a compliment, my friend called me a "fag hag". (ie..a woman who hangs out with and likes to be around, gay men). He was right. I did. A gaggle of attractive men at my beck and call. Nonthreatening  drinking and dancing partners, men who could decorate my apartment and dress me in style as well...what is not to like?

It was then that I realized I was a bit too accepting, too approving. I had accepted my friend and his lifestyle because I really liked him. I was losing the battle of common sense. I was losing the argument against the homosexual lifestyle and being drawn in.

It's been so long ago, I cant remember how the friendship...fizzled. It didn't end. I didn't end it. It just stopped. But it stopped because I could not accept it. Damn.

I still think about him from time to time.

[oldcoastie6468]

One of my nephews is a quiet gay and doesn't push his beliefs on anyone. That's all I can say........

[ChrstnHsbndFthr]

I understand.  My refusal of acceptance, though totally without hatred, is that I will not use the word, "Gay."  To me it means happy, and in these people's lives, I have seen anything BUT happiness. They are Sodomites, or homosexuals, but not gay. I will not give in to the Sodomy Lobby. I can love them without lying about what they are or what they do.

[BigAlSouth]

. . .
This issue has not been about us not loving them, it is about THEM not accept us. We need to keep that perfectly clear.

. . .

I have a problem with their demand that their behavior be accepted. And if you don't accept their behavior as normal and well-adjusted, then there is something wrong with you.

One of the interesting asides about the Phil Robertson statement is that he reduced the homosexual behavior to terms that most everyone could relate to. People could not accept the light of truth about what gay behavior is: Preferring an anus to a vagina.

[Pablo de Fleurs]

People could not accept the light of truth about what gay behavior is: Preferring an anus to a vagina.

And maybe one step more. It's not that those 2 orifices serve the same purpose & one simply has a preference. It's about abusing ones body for sexual gratification instead of using what God has given us for pleasure within the confines of a marital relationship. We've already discussed what the repeated misuse of the anus brings about.

It's about accepting deviancy & perversion as simply an "alternative"...and reducing marriage to an emotional bond between ANY mixture of human beings, instead of 1 man/1woman.

[richb]

To be honest,  most people don't really give a c#$p about "homosexuals".    I think if a survey was taken of the general public, about issues of the day,  it likely wouldn't even be on the list,  let alone the top ten.    For a segment of the population that is likely .0001%  they get a lot of attention. 

 Unfortunately, the media and Hollywood are fascinated by it for some unknown reason,  so that's why its in our faces all the time (like the yahoo thing).   Until that fascination goes away (which it will at some point) we will have nonsense about non issues like the Duck people.     Hopefully that fascination ends sooner rather then later,  though what they move on too,  likely will be just as annoying and useless.