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Re: 9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2014, 03:11:40 PM »
Won't fit on the chart!

Seriously., then use a logarithmic curve.
And then he starts conflating income and Wealth? They are not the same thing.  Wealth can be an conclogmeration of MANY generations of Americans. Should Parents not be allowed to hand down accumulated wealth to their kids?

And does the CEO works 380 times "harder" than the  average  employee below him?
How "hard" you work  has NOTHING to do with it.  Its the value you provide to others. If your CEO consistently delivers 100 of millions in profits via his administration,  then yeah, he is worth some millions to the shareholders who are dividing up those hundreds of millions.
Your bottom 10%  work on average 10 hours a week at manual labor that nearly anyone can do - and is therefore not valued as much in the marketplace. . Is it any surprise that they earn way less than others who work 60-80 hours and have a less common skill?

Are we talking households or individuals here? The Fed doesn't publish individual data - and the data they do publish is based on INCOME - not wealth, so how are you even coming up with these numbers?  Do they include the federal benefits they are ALREADY getting for doing nothing? Isn't every american worth at least the Present Future Value of their SS and Medicare benefits?  (what , those benefits won't be paid, why not I wonder? After all those people already paid for them and are getting less than 90%  back even as promised!)

How many old people are there vs young in this distribution?  If there are more old people, would it be surprising that they have accumulated more wealth than younger people and skew the curve upward? Wasn't there this thing called the Baby Boom?  Oh, and how many young people are deep in debt ( of thier own choosing) and without jobs BECAUSE of the stupid socilaist polices already in place. Do you think that has any affect on wealth and income for them?
If this is household wealth, is it fair to compare what a single  20 year old is earning or has accumulated  with a double income married couple in their 50s? Would you "expect" them to be the same?

Morons who make videos like this don't want to compare apples with apples.

And "ideal distribution" - who is to say what that is?  Ask randome people anything and you will get also sorts of wrong answers based on misinformation - and this video admits - NO one even understands theis distribution now, right? So what make their idea of an "Ideal" distribution any more valid

  If you accept that there is an "ideal" that should be enforced by law,  you then implicitly accept the idea that individuals and their production are property of the community or the state and that such bodies have the right to take from others, by force, what they have earned through voluntary transactions in the market place and give the fruits of that labor to others who did not earn it based on some arbitrary "ideal"

A "skewed" wealth distribution means and proves nothing- because no one knows what it should be. But is such wealth only gets allocated into one place because someone FREELY and without Coercion decided that value was offered, and in turn exchanged the value they produce to pay for it,  who is to say that is wrong?

 When Cronies in a govt are allowed to pick and choose the winners in a marketplace- which is EXACTLY what is being proposed by this asshat-  that is when  real unfairness comes into play.  Each and every "socialist" system ends with the Pigs living high on the hog in the farmhouse, while they scream at Boxer the horse  to work harder. The weath curve this guy is bemoaning is a direct result of the sort of big govt this jerk is advocating.
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Re: 9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2014, 09:30:33 PM »
I see what Weisshaupt is saying and agree but certainly what this guy proposes is and has already been happening as politicians are bought and paid for to skew both the market and the tax codes making the entire marketplace one large flustercuck. With HFT's going down in the stock market it's a safe to say the system is rigged beyond anyone's wildest imagination.

I would feel better if assholes such as gates and company would quit looking to change the free market system into one of progressive everyone lives in a shared misery except of course, them rich and obnoxious scumbags. Gates doesn't give his money to charity 'cause he has a foundation to distribute his fortune to cause he deems beneficial. Others large benefactors have given away all of their money to exclusively to charities. DOing the latter obviously ends the possibility that the foundation is hijacked by leftist assholes the same way John Heinz III Heinz' Foundation was.
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Re: 9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2014, 10:14:22 PM »
I see what Weisshaupt is saying and agree but certainly what this guy proposes is and has already been happening as politicians are bought and paid for to skew both the market and the tax codes making the entire marketplace one large flustercuck. With HFT's going down in the stock market it's a safe to say the system is rigged beyond anyone's wildest imagination.I would feel better if assholes such as gates and company would quit looking to change the free market system into one of progressive everyone lives in a shared misery except of course, them rich and obnoxious scumbags.

Indeed, that is entirely my point, and we are not at odds with each other..  There
 will be bad actors under any system; under capitalism and limited government or under socialism and a totalitarian one ( Socialism and limited govt being at odds and impossible)  Conservatives, unlike leftists, are not seeking a Utopia. The question is, under which system are the actions of bad actors best mitigated?
The question is simply to favor the system in which the bad actors have a hard time obtaining control over govt weapons - of law, of taxes, of police.  Once big govt takes command, there is no LEGITIMATE government, no LEGITIMATE use of force, no LEGITIMATE use of wealth and power. I don't like or approve of that level of wealth being in the hands of a minority either.. but I am VERY clear on the forces that allowed that to happen, and it wasn't free market capitalism or voluntary transactions that allowed it. It was govt force or threat of force that pushes us to where we are..

You want regulations? Buy a stock and you MUST , by law, hold it for a year. Lets get rid of this speculative day trading crap. Its just noise. . Likewise, no futures trading  unless its in commodities where real risk, uninfluenced  by man, is experienced.

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Re: 9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2014, 07:29:33 AM »
The government-crony complex is the culprit, cannot blame capitalism because what we have is not capitalism...there are no free markets or untainted choices...cannot blame all the wealthy because not all who earned their wealth is a lecherous coninving crony, though many are...cannot blame anybody but ourselves for letting it go this far...

Ike was dead wrong...there wasn't all that much to fear from a military-industrial complex after all...the government-crony complex makes that overused quote look weak and pathetically outdated!
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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Re: 9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2014, 05:01:02 PM »
The government-crony complex is the culprit, cannot blame capitalism because what we have is not capitalism...there are no free markets or untainted choices...cannot blame all the wealthy because not all who earned their wealth is a lecherous coninving crony, though many are...cannot blame anybody but ourselves for letting it go this far...

Ike was dead wrong...there wasn't all that much to fear from a military-industrial complex after all...the government-crony complex makes that overused quote look weak and pathetically outdated!
From another thread...there you go, damn straight, hell yeah. ::thumbsup:: ::thumbsup:: ::thumbsup::
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Re: 9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2014, 08:12:21 AM »
If there was an explanation of the definition of "wealth", I didn't catch it.

For purposes of making an argument, let's assume that there is this 1% and that the "wealth" in the US is far from what the "ideal" percentage is. So, what?

Do we, as a nation, confiscate 20% of the wealth of the 1%, in order to give it to the "poor"? What exactly will that accomplish? The "Poor" are like the lottery winners who win big time, and in a few short years, are back to where they were before: broke.

A better argument, thinking out of the box: Should the wealth of the 1% be distributed to the upper strata of the middle class? After all, they should know what to do with it. Would society benefit more from a wealth redistribution from the super rich to the middle-middle class? I think so and a better argument can be made than wasting it on the "poor."

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Re: 9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2014, 11:51:06 AM »
Has not the "War on Poverty" already redistributed an amount greater than the national debt?  All it has gotten us is more impoverished folks.  All the evidence one needs to see that it doesn't work.  ::cussing::
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Re: 9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2014, 10:18:10 PM »
Has not the "War on Poverty" already redistributed an amount greater than the national debt?  All it has gotten us is more impoverished folks.  All the evidence one needs to see that it doesn't work.  ::cussing::
It's not poverty to them as they live in comfort. Food, communications, shelter, it's all provided to them poor folks so what reason would they have to remove themselves from it?
Exactly, none! The Founders were not stupid but the current population sure it.
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Re: 9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2014, 08:11:50 AM »
Has not the "War on Poverty" already redistributed an amount greater than the national debt?  All it has gotten us is more impoverished folks.  All the evidence one needs to see that it doesn't work.  ::cussing::

It worked.  It wasn't meant to cure poverty, it was meant to enslave mankind to the state.

Mission accomplished.
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.