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Offline Weisshaupt

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The stuff liberals say when talking to each other.
« on: January 08, 2014, 01:34:43 PM »
The stuff liberals say when talking to each other.


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I live in the middle of a strongly Republican enclave and their beliefs run hot and strong.  They spout off "facts" about Obamacare that I can neither deny or debate because I just don't know enough about it.
 

and you are too stupid to be able to research it yourself, so you run to people biased to your beliefs to tell you what to say, because you JUST KNOW those Republican "Facts" couldn't be right.

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Is it true that Obama care will result in loss of the Medicare Advantage Plan? If so how is this going to impact seniors now and in a few years? Is this a good or bad result??? It  sounds bad to hear it explained.

And i don't like things to sound bad.  Can you tell me how to make them sound good?
 
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Is it true that people will have to get onto lists and wait for many kinds of care, just like the socialized medicine of Great Britain and Canada???. I lived in Scotland, was born in Canada, and I can tell many stories about how their systems reduce available medical care for almost every one. Young people in pain caused by back injuries wait to get "voluntary" back surgeries since it is not a life threatening condition.  Many doctors refuse to care for more that a limited number of patients on the system as they barely eke out a living in it. My own grandmother was  refused cataract surgery because she was "too old" and so spent the last 20 years of her life legally blind.

I mean, I know socialized medicine is bad and I have experienced it personally  , but I want to support socialized medicine because all good people do.  Please tell me the " right people are in charge" this time and this will work despite the fact that this system will vastly increase the number of people looking for services while doing nothing to change the supply.  The Democrats can nullify the laws of supply and demand right?
 
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My friend has a niece who is a physician in North Carolina and she believes that Obamacare will result in many of us senior citizens NOT getting basic or preventive care. One gentleman, a prostate cancer survivor, believes he will not be allowed PSA tests under Obamacare.  Oh,these Republicans do fill my ears with a lot of info but I suspect they just tell this stuff to each other and all believe it without knowing any more about it than I do.

Because I am ignorant and too stupid and lazy to investigate things, others must be too.


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Is there a source of info that is not 150 pages long?

Because, as I mentioned before I am really lazy and I want quick solutions to my problems provided by others for free. And reading on my own , thinking on my own and becoming genuinely informed would take so much time.

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  I am a life-long Democrat/Independent and think we are heading down the right path but people seem to have very short memories of what it was like just 4 short years ago!!!

 Because I an an independent thinker who writes Democrats to find out what to think.  Four  Short years ago everything was crap. Of course, I can't tell you what specifically. Something about spying and wars. Its good that the Democrats don't do that! Also, I have a split personality.

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1. Obamacare reforms Medicare Advantage. 99.6 percent of beneficiaries will still have access to a plan. Plan choices increase by 7%, coverage improves, waste decreases, enrollment has grown almost 30% since Obamacare was signed into law in 2010. Enrollment continues to increase. There is no negative effect on Medicare Advantage premiums or co-pays. Of course there is a lot more to it than that.


Of course they used all of the funding for Obamacare, so we will just have to borrow money or raise taxes  to keep this all running

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Bottom line is Obamacare doesn't affect any Medicare or Medicaid program in a negative way.
that we are willing to tell you about anyway.

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2. People already wait on lists, for long periods of time.

I can't tell you what people or who they are.  Probably illegals who went to the emergency room and who are looking for doctors to treat them for free.

 
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If you have the money for private insurance you will still get better care than those who don't. Obamacare does work to improve this.
by making it more fair and  ensuring EVERYONE - rich and poor alike must wait in lines, and receive poor care.

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3. Obamacare aims to bring down healthcare costs by providing more preventive and detection services. It's a major point of the whole reform. Right now countless Americans don't get preventive or detection services because they can't afford insurance or their current insurance won't provide it.

Because if we spend $100 per person  on preventative care for 300 Million people it will only cost 30 Billion dollars and overburden doctor's offices with people who are not actually sick,  thus ensuing those long lines we talked about and  compared to the few million it would take to care for those people the old way.  And we might detect something early and save a life - you  know, unless they are in that long line ...

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4. The problem is that everyone is trying to give you skewed facts. Not just about healthcare, but about everything.

For instance you are dumb enough to ask us questions.

 
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You just have to try to take your emotion out of it and not believe everything you hear… especially if you are listening to someone who is obviously left or right wing.
Now me of course. Me you can trust completely because I pretend to be objectivie - but we both know objectivitiy is impossible and if it weren't it would be undesirable. And the President. You can trust him. He isn't a Democrat or a Republican so he opinions are obvious neither left nor right.  So ....

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Check out President Obama's official site for "facts". Of course we started ObamaCare Facts to give all the Obama Care facts in one place, so check out the obamacare-facts page for a quick Affordable Care Act lesson.

Nope no bias here. Keep voting Democrat.  Bye!
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Re: The stuff liberals says when talking to each other.
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2014, 01:45:30 PM »
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3. Obamacare aims ....

... have no gawdspounding relationship to what it actually does and what it will do.

Even as the Presstitute media reports people losing their medical insurance and unable to afford the new and improved Obamacare "insurance", these dumb as a box of rox idiots tune that out as well.  From their own 'trusted' sources even.

Ya know, I did NOT mind being minimally unplugged from the ever and ongoing sht for a while.
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Re: The stuff liberals says when talking to each other.
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2014, 01:45:41 PM »
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One gentleman, a prostate cancer survivor, believes he will not be allowed PSA tests under Obamacare.

He does realize that he can get all the tests he wants if he pays for them directly?
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Re: The stuff liberals says when talking to each other.
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2014, 02:17:07 PM »
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One gentleman, a prostate cancer survivor, believes he will not be allowed PSA tests under Obamacare.

He does realize that he can get all the tests he wants if he pays for them directly?

Who wants tests unless you can get other people to pay for them!

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Re: The stuff liberals says when talking to each other.
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2014, 02:44:12 PM »
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One gentleman, a prostate cancer survivor, believes he will not be allowed PSA tests under Obamacare.

He does realize that he can get all the tests he wants if he pays for them directly?

Who wants tests unless you can get other people to pay for them!

Personally pay for them? Way too independent for Dhimms.
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Re: The stuff liberals say when talking to each other.
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2014, 08:49:30 PM »
After reading this I'm not sure to be relieved that the other side is that freaking stupid or sad because of the same reason. So thanks, I think. ::thumbsup:: ::facepalm::
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Re: The stuff liberals say when talking to each other.
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2014, 07:38:58 AM »
After reading this I'm not sure to be relieved that the other side is that freaking stupid or sad because of the same reason. So thanks, I think. ::thumbsup:: ::facepalm::

It's annnoying as all heck, ain't it?  These people are winning!   ::facepalm::  No small thanks to E-GOP asswipes too.  Let's not forget that!
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2014, 08:57:07 AM »
It's annnoying as all heck, ain't it?  These people are winning!   ::facepalm::  No small thanks to E-GOP asswipes too.  Let's not forget that!

Define "winning."  Does winning involve currency collapse, world wars, increasing crime, famine and civil war?  If so then yeah, they are winning.

"Winning. "

(It pays to be reminded of how STUPID these people are that the "trillion dollar coins" were actually suggested as a viable solution.)

Their battle isn't with us, its with reality.  I just hope I am around to fully enjoy the impact when it broadsides them.
That which cannot go on, won't.  All they are doing is  preventing any possibility of  peaceful solutions, and guaranteeing violence, death and misery.  "Winning. "

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Re: The stuff liberals say when talking to each other.
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2014, 11:48:44 AM »
It's annnoying as all heck, ain't it?  These people are winning!   ::facepalm::  No small thanks to E-GOP asswipes too.  Let's not forget that!

Define "winning."  Does winning involve currency collapse, world wars, increasing crime, famine and civil war?  If so then yeah, they are winning.

"Winning. "

(It pays to be reminded of how STUPID these people are that the "trillion dollar coins" were actually suggested as a viable solution.)

Their battle isn't with us, its with reality.  I just hope I am around to fully enjoy the impact when it broadsides them.
That which cannot go on, won't.  All they are doing is  preventing any possibility of  peaceful solutions, and guaranteeing violence, death and misery.  "Winning. "

Yeah.  Those are just all the benefits of winning we all get to share in...regardless if you asked for it.

And yeah, I want to be around to make sure some impacts are directly felt and fully understood.
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.