Author Topic: 2016 Races...If Anybody Cares... (Read 202904 times)

ChrstnHsbndFthr · « **Reply #740 on:** April 14, 2016, 04:54:23 PM »

Well, count me as delusional then, because I believe Trump and Cruz, and all of their supporters, many of whom will be on the rules committee, will not allow rule 40 to be changed. Then the fight becomes purely over delegates. And no matter if the rules committee tries to change rule 40, the WHOLE convention votes on the rules change. No Cruz supporter nor Trump supporter will vote for it, and they will have most of the delegates there. Will there be a few party hacks that might support it, sure. But, I cannot see them getting a majority.

And I think Cruz is smarter, more prepared, and has people already working in all the right spots. He is also the only one with a national campaign team in place.

He has out played Trump, not because the rules were changed to defeat Trump, but because Trump doesn't care about the rules. That is a quote from Trump, btw, "I don't care about the rules."

Now, if Trump manages to pull this out in spite of himself, I have pretty much decided to hold my nose and vote for him. I just pray that if it goes to Cruz, the Trump supporters will do what ever they must and vote for Cruz. #neverhillary

Libertas · « **Reply #741 on:** April 15, 2016, 07:25:03 AM »

Having been through part of this process before, I think in a macro-sense there is no such thing as a completely bound and loyal delegate. And certain parties have been engineering towards this goal for many months. I think the safe bet is to expect anything...which is another way of saying get used to the idea of being let down again.

Bad Emperor Phase, it didn't happen overnight or by accident.

Libertas · « **Reply #742 on:** April 18, 2016, 07:47:04 AM »

It's a little unsettling when I find myself agreeing with Ann Coulter on something, and while I have no illusions over the true nature of her hostility towards Cruz, I must admit I cannot find any area of disagreement with the essential facts of this latest article on the Cruz-Trump cage AWA cage fight.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2016-04-13.html

Latest delegate shenanigans - Georgia.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/17/donald-trump-ted-cruz-georgia-attack-delegates/

The thing about no set rules and loopholes...they have a tendency to increase in scope and use...and while some people may look the other way while it benefits their champion, fate can be a fickle bitch and turn on you in no time flat...and then the cries of unfairness from a new party get beaten down into dust.

Thus it will always be under decaying Republics, until they finally collapse, and nothing speeds it along faster than corrupt democracy.

ChrstnHsbndFthr · « **Reply #743 on:** April 18, 2016, 03:35:38 PM »

Both Ann and Trumpbart should know better. There are FIFTY separate state parties, whose rules are set BY the party that is elected in that state. The system is designed PURPOSEFULLY to require someone to demonstrate their ability to run a campaign. Because in the general election there will be FIFTY states with their own election laws that have to be followed too.

The other advantage to a state party setting it up so that those who actually WORK in the party have a small part of the influence, because they are on the boards, chairmanships, treasurers, etc....of each county, is that these are the people who will be working the general election. And without their work, many people do not get to the polls. So, almost each state requires you to win at three levels. Trump has ignored this at his own peril. Cruz learned it quickly. (He had only run ONE previous campaign,) but he did out organize 16 other people in this election.

Trump stood on the national stage and excused his three bankruptcies as "I just used the rules!" Well, that really stunk for the people he screwed out of all that money. Now, when the rules have been too complex for him to get his tiny hands around, he does not care about the rules? No sympathy from me, sorry.

Remember, if he wins outright, he wins. And he just might. But, Cruz has been smart enough to play on every field. And he did not have to tell me how smart he is. It is obvious. Trump may need to tell me a little louder. Frankly, I think no one is more surprised than he is that he made it this far. If he had thought he was going to he would have built a campaign. Cruz clearly thought he would make it this far, because he DID build a campaign and it is a strong one that will be ready for the general election. We have a chance to win that election, but I do not believe it is with Mr. Trump. And he is not even a conservative. He is a populist and I am fearful of a government that goes whatever way the wind blows on any given day.

Glock32 · « **Reply #744 on:** April 18, 2016, 03:46:38 PM »

If Cruz wins the nomination you're about to behold the entire MSM suddenly become committed Birthers.

ChrstnHsbndFthr · « **Reply #745 on:** April 18, 2016, 04:34:36 PM »

Sure, what else is new? They always do that, the concept of fighting the GOP Nominee by the MSM is not new. People warned, me among them, that Sen. McCain was not the media darling he thought he was, and that they would turn on him the moment the nomination was secured. Guess what happened? I cannot choose who I support based on who I think THEY might support, otherwise I'd be team Sanders.

Libertas · « **Reply #746 on:** April 19, 2016, 08:10:09 AM »

Since I am of the opinion that just about nothing matters at this point given the corrupt systems at play on all stages and sectors, the Rubicon having been crossed multiple times in succession, all one direction...I'm taking the attitude of mocking the entire theatrical performance. It's like watching a crash in slow motion, everybody knows what is going to happen regardless if they admit it publicly or privately or not at all, some may even be unconscious to it, too stunned or bored to care. All the players are all sticking their scripts, the motions being made...the results the same.

AlanS · « **Reply #747 on:** April 19, 2016, 11:25:20 AM »

The Elites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU6ebNd9v-w&feature=youtu.be

Glock32 · « **Reply #748 on:** April 19, 2016, 02:09:24 PM »

Quote from: Libertas on April 19, 2016, 08:10:09 AM

Since I am of the opinion that just about nothing matters at this point given the corrupt systems at play on all stages and sectors, the Rubicon having been crossed multiple times in succession, all one direction...I'm taking the attitude of mocking the entire theatrical performance. It's like watching a crash in slow motion, everybody knows what is going to happen regardless if they admit it publicly or privately or not at all, some may even be unconscious to it, too stunned or bored to care. All the players are all sticking their scripts, the motions being made...the results the same.

Exactly this.

I'm in favor of rank, unprincipled, self-serving populism strictly for the entertainment value at this point. Why shouldn't a reality TV host become the president? America is itself an absurd reality TV show.

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Libertas · « **Reply #749 on:** April 19, 2016, 09:32:18 PM »

Heh! Good stuff G.

And how long will these results last?

http://iotwreport.com/trump-wins-ny-handily-cruz-distant-third/

SMOD will like Cleveland, one spot is as good as another.

Time for another humor break -

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/just-a-propos-trump-t17868.html

Glock32 · « **Reply #750 on:** April 20, 2016, 11:34:40 AM »

There's something therapeutic about giving in to nihilistic fatalism, isn't there?

Libertas · « **Reply #751 on:** April 20, 2016, 05:38:42 PM »

It's not healthy to deny reality.

John Florida · « **Reply #752 on:** April 20, 2016, 06:43:24 PM »

There are two people running I'll vote for, the third never.

warpmine · « **Reply #753 on:** April 20, 2016, 10:24:38 PM »

Quote from: Libertas on April 19, 2016, 09:32:18 PM

Heh! Good stuff G.

And how long will these results last?

http://iotwreport.com/trump-wins-ny-handily-cruz-distant-third/

SMOD will like Cleveland, one spot is as good as another.

Time for another humor break -

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/just-a-propos-trump-t17868.html

For all those that tote the pure fiction Trump can beat Hitlery in the general...Hillary doubled up on Trumpf getting well over a million votes and this was in Jew York. Have some unicorn flatulence I need to sell...anyone interested?

Libertas · « **Reply #754 on:** April 20, 2016, 10:34:21 PM »

Quote from: warpmine on April 20, 2016, 10:24:38 PM

Quote from: Libertas on April 19, 2016, 09:32:18 PM
Heh! Good stuff G.

And how long will these results last?

http://iotwreport.com/trump-wins-ny-handily-cruz-distant-third/

SMOD will like Cleveland, one spot is as good as another.

Time for another humor break -

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/just-a-propos-trump-t17868.html
For all those that tote the pure fiction Trump can beat Hitlery in the general...Hillary doubled up on Trumpf getting well over a million votes and this was in Jew York. Have some unicorn flatulence I need to sell...anyone interested?

Self-loathing liberal Jews in NY, be accurate. SSDD. Ted finished a distant 3rd, and unicorns are as real as valid votes. None of that is news.

Glock32 · « **Reply #755 on:** April 21, 2016, 10:23:11 AM »

I think the take-home story here is not that this or that Republican can or can't beat Hillary. The story is no Republican can beat any Democrat. We've reached that point. It's demographically impossible for a Republican to take the White House. The Left won the Culture War, and they won it handily. The political changes are simply inevitable consequences of the cultural changes.

The country is way too brown now. They will pursue the fantasy of replicating European democratic socialism, with White Cosmics (tm) leading the way, but to the extent that it's at all doable in Europe it's because Europe is Europe and populated by Europeans (though for not much longer).

Here it will end up much more like Latin American socialism, and for the same reason -- because the population is Latin American. It's going to be a fustercluck. As long as it erodes the competence of the central government, it might end up being useful.

It's simple, really. The level of advancement and quality of life in America is directly proportional to its white population. The browner this country gets, the more like a Brazilian slum it gets.

Libertas · « **Reply #756 on:** April 21, 2016, 11:42:54 AM »

Agreed.

If "winning" elections in latter day America is all one cares about, clearly there is only one candidate you should cast a pointless vote at - the Democrat.

If you want to throw a wrench at the monkey, at least make it wrench that will muck up as much as possible, no more unsatisfying forays into futile political stupidity!

Let Hildabest sit in the chair when it all goes to shyt!

I am looking forward to not working for my paycheck.

warpmine · « **Reply #757 on:** April 21, 2016, 08:53:20 PM »

Quote from: Glock32 on April 21, 2016, 10:23:11 AM

I think the take-home story here is not that this or that Republican can or can't beat Hillary. The story is no Republican can beat any Democrat. We've reached that point. It's demographically impossible for a Republican to take the White House. The Left won the Culture War, and they won it handily. The political changes are simply inevitable consequences of the cultural changes.

The country is way too brown now. They will pursue the fantasy of replicating European democratic socialism, with White Cosmics (tm) leading the way, but to the extent that it's at all doable in Europe it's because Europe is Europe and populated by Europeans (though for not much longer).

Here it will end up much more like Latin American socialism, and for the same reason -- because the population is Latin American. It's going to be a fustercluck. As long as it erodes the competence of the central government, it might end up being useful.

It's simple, really. The level of advancement and quality of life in America is directly proportional to its white population. The browner this country gets, the more like a Brazilian slum it gets.

Bullsh*t! If you're going to nominate nothing but progressive Repuclicans then you're looking to lose the election 2008, 2012 anybody. Conservatives get elected when the people get their heads out of their asses and pay attention to the issues. Most of them are little better than the morons on the other side.

Weisshaupt · « **Reply #758 on:** April 21, 2016, 09:21:06 PM »

Quote from: Glock32 on April 21, 2016, 10:23:11 AM

The browner this country gets, the more like a Brazilian slum it gets.

Well the more Third world the population gets, the more third world the the country gets. Its the culture correlated with the skin color that is the real problem- I figure that is what you really mean, but framing it in terms of race is playing into the enemies hand. They desperately WANT it to be about race, because if it becomes about behavior, values and character they loose.

Its not Mexicans, or undocumented workers or illegal aliens - its criminals. Make it about the behavior. They BROKE THE LAW. They committed a CRIME. .a crime for which -- in any other country - especially Mexico-- you would be imprisoned and forgotten or your relatives would pay a ransom to collect you.

Yeah, to the libtards it means nothing, but to the uneducated Kardashian watcher it might make a difference.

Libertas · « **Reply #759 on:** April 22, 2016, 07:06:55 AM »

I doubt it makes a dent with them...been harping on the criminal angle for decades, nobody gives a rats ass...ranchers on the front lines get zip for support, nobody gives a rats ass...Progs and their State-run media chant "racist" at all attempts to characterize the filth oozing over as "criminal", they are trying to sanitize the accurate term "illegal" from official and societal lexicons (just like they are with the terms "islamic" and "terror" in the same sentence), nobody gives a rats ass...a candidate wants to seal the border and send them back, he's a racist/sexist extremists, and people who should know better go along with that shyt, nobody gives a rats ass!

I no longer give a rats ass either, and waiting for people to wake up when every single piece of evidence speaks to the contrary is IMO dangerously naive. Why wait for a train that will never come? Phuck 'em, I'm moving on, got other/better plans.