Topic: A new party.

[MacWell™]

Hi to all my friends here. I know it's been awhile since I've been around but life has been a little hectic over the past 6 months or so.
On to the business at hand.
A few friends on FB have started a new party. We call it "The Constitutional Freedom Party". I'm not sure how many here do FB but if you wish to come and take a look at what we stand for... and against, please visit us here https://www.facebook.com/groups/CFP4US/
I know that starting a new party is a daunting task and it takes time to get the word out, so I'm trying to do my part because I still believe America can be saved. I believe there are too many rino's in the republican party, and too many anti-Americans in the democrat party. One of our founders is a writer for "politichicks" and is a fairly new American. Formally from Canada, Carolyn Callow Elkins has been bloging for many years now and is gaining notoriety in political circles. The CFP is beginning to be seen by more than a few people in political office and has been visited by people like Senator Cruz.
Here is a short idea of what the CFP is about:
We the people who are aligned to this Nation's Judeo/Christian heritage and founding, who believe in the true Conservative philosophy of lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, and individual financial responsibility, which were framed by our Founders, and the freedoms that they and we hold dear, determine to dissolve the political bands of the two political parties which have held no respect of the people to whom they are to represent.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed only by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. The duty of a Constitutional government is to secure these rights, deriving their just power from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government or political party becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it.

We hereby institute a new party, The Constitutional Freedom Party, which we lay on its foundation the preservation of the principles of what has made a strong America. We also adhere to the Constitution of this United States of America, a Constitutional Republic.

A Party FOR the People, OF the People

CFP4US@aol.com

[IronDioPriest]

Joined the group.
 

[warpmine]

Joined the group.
 

Me too like last year when it formed

[Glock32]

It's pretty clear that if there is ever to be a political avenue out of this mess, it definitely isn't going to be the GOP.

[Libertas]

I am a modern day semi-Luddite, don't do social media, bit I am all for sending the message that business as usual is suicidal, insane and unsupportable.  Not sure a political solution is possible given the time constraints, but the effort is worth it if for no other reason than to show people that supporting the status quo is over.

[AlanS]

Not sure a political solution is possible given the time constraints, but the effort is worth it if for no other reason than to show people that supporting the status quo is over.

Nailed it.

[ToddF]

You know, for those of us not afraid to show our real faces (no pun intended) that might be a perfect place for some of us.  I already see one familiar face, there.  A couple more are mentioned here as being there.

Maybe no "black trash" posts, though, under my real name.    Or at least a little more delicately worded.

Request sent.

[MacWell™]

@Libertas & Alan S.
Hi fellow patriots, while I understand your thoughts, and don't necessarily disagree with your summation, I believe that we the people MUST try and take America back peacefully. I've been pondering this for more than a few years, and I'll do anything to keep this great land from another civil war. I believe a war within ourselves is exactly what the powers that be want from us, then they'll have an excuse to declare Martial Law. We cannot give them that. We can however, beat them at their own game. While most of us have been busy working and raising our families, they've been working, behind the scenes, to dismantle America's founding principals, one piece at a time. I believe that if we the people are willing to put down the remote, and really get involved, we can, and will do it. The next 2 elections will tell the tale. If we remain on the sideline and don't vote out all the career politicians and lawyers from our Congress, then the only way left is frightening to me. We can do it, but we must come together and support those who care more for this country than they do for American Idol. Many of us thought Romney wasn't a viable contender, but in hindsight, we can all agree that he would've been better than Obama, by far.

[AlanS]

@Libertas & Alan S.
Hi fellow patriots, while I understand your thoughts, and don't necessarily disagree with your summation, I believe that we the people MUST try and take America back peacefully.

Oh, don't worry. I'll go down fighting....figuratively speaking.

[John Florida]

I am a modern day semi-Luddite, don't do social media, bit I am all for sending the message that business as usual is suicidal, insane and unsupportable.  Not sure a political solution is possible given the time constraints, but the effort is worth it if for no other reason than to show people that supporting the status quo is over.

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[Weisshaupt]

I've been pondering this for more than a few years, and I'll do anything to keep this great land from another civil war. I believe a war within ourselves is exactly what the powers that be want from us, then they'll have an excuse to declare Martial Law. We cannot give them that.

Who says they need an excuse?  Who will care if the people support their efforts or not? Most of the sheep will  say Baa and keep on going as if nothing had happened.  But if we accept the premise that they need an excuse, will they not simply manufacture one? Nothing will prevent a civil war at this point, because they see no reason not to continue pushing.

The elections are a sham-- 100% of the vote for one person in some places without a charge filed is all the proof required of that. The time for peace came and went when instead of listening to and working with us, they strode about like nobles with their gavels and called us terrorists, racist  and worse. At this point, even we we to somehow wrest control back - just what  could be done to fix anything? If I made you king for a day, what could you do to stop the oncoming downfall of the dollar? Cut off welfare, social security and Medicaid tomorrow? The economy is addicted to the crack-cocaine  of  govt spending. No matter what you do from here, you don't have the time required to get the addict off the drug, to make the cultural changes required, or to even mitigate the consequences of this train wreck.   I am all for it as a display against the status quo, but the time for peaceful solutions has passed us, and I ,for one, will not be satisfied or live with  these vermin peacefully until they have paid in full and in blood.

Many of us thought Romney wasn't a viable contender, but in hindsight, we can all agree that he would've been better than Obama, by far.

I don't agree.  When the enemy needs more time to solidify their control and police state, a candidate that buys them that time is not helping. Let it Burn and let it burn now.  Romney was and is a Leftist turd no different than Obama (see Romneycare) and would have done nothing to stop the advance of the socialist state - just as no one in the GOP has turned back or repealed anything in the last decade.  The last major advance was welfare reform ( not to get rid of welfare of course) and Obama has, by royal decree, repealed that modest advance. And they can't be bothered to even try to impeach him for his many breaches of his oath?  The notion that the GOP is the lesser of two evils is what they have used to keep votes flowing their way. No more. They can't find a hill to die upon so we will choose it for them. This one. now.   They are no different in any way than the enemy and deserve the same fate.

[Pandora]

Who says they need an excuse?  Who will care if the people support their efforts or not? Most of the sheep will  say Baa and keep on going as if nothing had happened.  But if we accept the premise that they need an excuse, will they not simply manufacture one? Nothing will prevent a civil war at this point, because they see no reason not to continue pushing.

Precisely.

And I'm not giving them one God-pounding excuse to assume legitimacy.

[MacWell™]

Believe me, I'm not naive', but neither are they. I doubt that most of our Military would follow unconstitutional orders. I believe that if this administration called for Martial law, the Military would turn the tables on them. Men such as Marcus Lattrell, and his brothers would stand with we the people. Marcus himself said as much... if you can't believe in a patriot like him, who can you believe?
I was going to post a separate thread about this, but here is good. It's called Operation American Spring. It's planned for may at DC. General Vallaily is calling for 30 millions to come to DC, and stay until the whole administration is gone. Find the details, they're all over the place.

[Weisshaupt]

Believe me, I'm not naive', but neither are they. I doubt that most of our Military would follow unconstitutional orders. I believe that if this administration called for Martial law, the Military would turn the tables on them. Men such as Marcus Lattrell, and his brothers would stand with we the people. Marcus himself said as much... if you can't believe in a patriot like him, who can you believe?
I was going to post a separate thread about this, but here is good. It's called Operation American Spring. It's planned for may at DC. General Vallaily is calling for 30 millions to come to DC, and stay until the whole administration is gone. Find the details, they're all over the place.

Undoubtedly many in the Military would follow such orders, and they are purging those who would not. Some will lie and some will not to stay in. I am betting on a 50/50 split.  Many will abscond with equipment and sabotage the stuff they are forced to leave behind. Veterans will be default leaders and trainers, and local militias will form.  The Police likewise will take sides, and your Sheriff will be the most important man in your county.

But the objective of the American Spring March at least as I understand it  - is  to send unarmed patriots to march on Washington, and then leave a million of them there as "long as it takes" -- that Million will obviously be out of work and have nothing  better to do  Okay class, what happened to the last unarmed, unemployed,  Army to march upon and Occupy Washington DC?

Both tactically and strategically you don't assemble that sort of target for the enemy. If you do , you certainly don't advertise  your intent any more than needed,  you go armed, and you stay only so long as it takes to hang those traitorous bastards from the lampposts and then you disperse.  The Tea Party already marched on Washington.  At least 500,000 used their own money to fly there and show up, and they were ignored. Attacked by the media and reviled as racists and worse.  Demonstrating will change nothing, the media will spin it the same way, and those in office really don't care, and won't care until a rifle is being shoved into their back and they are frog marched to their trial.  Doing this will only offer the regime a huge opportunity to slaughter a million Americans loyal to the constitution and willing to fight.  They are openly spying on us, they are openly calling for censorship of the media, they are openly calling for gun confiscation, and openly ruling by fiat, not via congress.  What makes anyone think they wouldn't slaughter every man, woman and child who showed up?  The Mask is off, the gloves are on - they are militarizing the police force, training them to kill and fight civilians, and getting ready to impose Martial Law. What better way to start that off than by killing a million racist, tea party terrorist dissenters? Its asymmetric warfare, and that means civil disobedience, Irish Democracy, the sabotage of infrastructure, sniping at enemy forces and as few direct engagements in large numbers as possible. The British were shot at all of the way back to Boston from Concord - by people hiding in hedgerows and shooting out of their own windows and barns.  If you fight them, you fight them on your own turf.

American Spring is a trap, and you can tell its a trap because they are going unarmed and peaceful like. Maybe they expect people to come armed anyway. But at this point, armed is the only way it could have any impact on the course of events.


 

[Pandora]

Part of what I love about this place is the opportunity to learn new things.  In this case, I've finally learned the truth and history about the Bonus Army, i.e. it was a bonus intended for payout twenty-five years in the (then) future.  Sonsabtches!  In those times, in the twenty-five years to 1945, a good many men, to whom to whom the money was promised, would be dead.      The double-dealing rot goes back a ways, dunnit.

[Libertas]

The Battle of Athens is a damn good lesson too.  And it meshes with my agreement with Weisshaupt that any such American Spring is pointless if unarmed and docile.

[MacWell™]

After carefully reading the posts, I can't say I disagree with what you pose. I can only surmise that maybe those high ranking officers are planning a coup and must know who's behind them. How many Americans can they count on when they have to put it all on the line. After all, if these patriots are defeated, they face the firing squad, and you know that would be televised 24/7 by the corrupt media. If not mistaken, I believe I read that General Valaley himself wants to see 20-30 million of us there. While half a million can be ignored by the press, 20,000,000 cannot. The world press would be on it like white on rice.
Like I said, I may be old and broken, but they will find me dead... in a pile of brass.
I took the oath at 17 and it had no expiration date.

[Weisshaupt]

I believe I read that General Valaley himself wants to see 20-30 million of us there. While half a million can be ignored by the press, 20,000,000 cannot. The world press would be on it like white on rice.

I don't think 20-30 million is even logistically possible.  Less than 2 Million people fly in the US each day and only a fraction of that goes to the East coast. 8 Million people live in the entire State of Virginia. They get 17 Million tourists in a year.. usually.  If that many descended upon DC there might not even be enough water or food to sustain them. The Subways and transportation were choked when the Tea Party came to town..  No one has ever had a true Million Man rally on the Mall. Not even MLK. His I Have a Dream speech was delivered to around 250,000 people. The Tea Party must have been one of the largest events ever held there, and it barely registered a blip in the minds of the tyrants who would subjugate us. But say you got your million, or 20 Million. It would make the international news.  Domestic news would find the three racist or crackpot people in the crowd, interview them and portray everyone int he crowd that way. The would under-report the number and pretend nothing happened. And then in a week, its out of the news. Even if your million saty in DC, they will get no news coverage - just as the Obamavilles and other depression tent towns all over the US get no coverage.  These people control the narrative distributed to the masses, and that is unlikely to change.  Its part of the battle field and we better get used to it.  Nothing sort of an outright refusal to obey and armed defense of our homes and property  will get these tyrants to pay attention.

[IronDioPriest]

I believe I read that General Valaley himself wants to see 20-30 million of us there. While half a million can be ignored by the press, 20,000,000 cannot. The world press would be on it like white on rice.

I don't think 20-30 million is even logistically possible...

I've seen estimates of the Egyptian protest that brought down Mubarek in their neighborhood of 17,000,000 people. I have no way of applying that number to Washington DC, but I think that whatever the number, the district could be overwhelmed beyond any government ability to counter without military force, which would work in favor of patriots, and against the regime.

[MacWell™]

I believe I read that General Valaley himself wants to see 20-30 million of us there. While half a million can be ignored by the press, 20,000,000 cannot. The world press would be on it like white on rice.

I don't think 20-30 million is even logistically possible...

I've seen estimates of the Egyptian protest that brought down Mubarek in their neighborhood of 17,000,000 people. I have no way of applying that number to Washington DC, but I think that whatever the number, the district could be overwhelmed beyond any government ability to counter without military force, which would work in favor of patriots, and against the regime.

Yes sir, I believe you're right, I believe if even 10 million go there, the msm will have no choice but to report it. I know there will be some who will shout it from the rooftops, and the international press would have it plastered all over everywhere.
I never thought I'd live to see this day, but it appears that those who believe they're (more equal) than the rest of us, have shown their hands. We now understand, without a doubt, what their intentions are. They don't even try to hide them any longer, they believe they've won, they believe that we the people will continue to allow business as usual... They made the first mistake of war... "never underestimate your opponent". They've done just that!