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Why We Have the 2nd Amendment
« on: February 20, 2014, 05:57:21 PM »
It seems that the happenings in Venezuela have taken a backseat to coverage of Ukraine, but it is a perfect illustration of why we have the 2nd Amendment.


http://caracaschronicles.com/2014/02/19/19f/


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Tonight, Venezuela is seeing a spasm of violence that’s unlike anything the country has experienced since 1989. Information is fragmented, since an almost complete media black-out is in place, but you don’t need the media to hear your neighbor’s screams.

Caracas, Valencia, Merida and San Cristobal in particular have become virtual war zones: National Guard units and National Police have been shooting tear gas canisters and buckshot sometimes directly at protesters, sometimes into residential buildings and, raiding any place they think student protesters may be hiding. Alongside them, the government backed colectivos (basically paramilitary gangs on motorbikes, a tropical basij) shoot at people with live ammo.

But of course, this is no war zone: in a war zone you have two sides shooting at each other. Tonight one side is doing all the shooting, the other side is doing all the being shot at.


When the state has a monopoly on the use of force, this is the result. Think there's not a virtual army of our very own colectivos right here in this country, just waiting for the opportunity to be deployed against us?


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A grave line has been crossed. Real, physical violence is finally catching up with the huge reserve of pent-up rhetorical violence we’ve suffered through since 1999.

We’ve spent 15 years fearing this.

Now we’re living it.


Sounds familiar, no?
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Re: Why We Have the 2nd Amendment
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2014, 09:23:53 PM »
We need a game-plan.
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Re: Why We Have the 2nd Amendment
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2014, 09:00:36 AM »
Aye.

And let us not forget this!

Roll to 4:40 for the clincher.

Dr. Suzanna Hupp Testimony Before Congress on the 2nd Amendment
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Re: Why We Have the 2nd Amendment
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2014, 07:12:55 PM »
"Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem."

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Re: Why We Have the 2nd Amendment
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2014, 08:21:05 PM »
We need a game-plan.

Bunker down.

Yeah, and?

That can't be all.  We need a plan.
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Re: Why We Have the 2nd Amendment
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Re: Why We Have the 2nd Amendment
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2014, 10:56:09 PM »
« Last Edit: February 21, 2014, 11:08:33 PM by Glock32 »
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Re: Why We Have the 2nd Amendment
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2014, 11:12:14 PM »
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Re: Why We Have the 2nd Amendment
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2014, 11:27:17 PM »
also:


The Dorner Principle


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What is the Dorner principle? The Dorner principle is the effect of one person consuming state assets at a level totally disproportionate to the threat that they actually pose. When Dorner went on the run, it was the fact that he posed a personal threat to officers of the LAPD that created the effect. They were no longer a blue line with unlimited resources and hundreds of others to back them up. They were suddenly exposed for what they were; Frightened individuals who might be hunted down and killed by a man who had a level of training equal to or exceeding theirs. They couldn’t count on APCs, superior numbers and automatic weapons.   

They were just people and the thought of facing this man Mano A Mano in their home or driveway didn’t appeal to them at all. The disproportionate response that ensued was a direct result of their fear of being individuals. The machine had to show that they could crush this individual who dared to flout it’s authority.   

The results of all this fear would have been comical had it not been for the fact that innocent citizens were getting shot up in their zeal to shoot anything that appeared to be a threat.     

One man caused all this chaos and ate up millions of dollars of resources. Chaos is what revolutions thrive on. As long as protesters stay gathered in one spot as a large group then they are subject to being overwhelmed by the superior firepower of the state. Molotov’s rifles and bricks don’t hold up against snipers and APCs. During the Russian revolution, it was the chaos that was caused that became the successful vehicle to accomplish their goals. The resources of the state were immediately and completely overwhelmed. There were thousands of fires burning as mobs attacked shops and the offices of officials. Troops that were called out to quell the rioting refused to fire on the crowds and joined the mayhem.  The destruction spread through the cities and into the countryside on a scale far too large to contain. Police departments couldn’t respond to hundreds of calls at once and their entire system crumbled.   

Chaos that overwhelms the system is the key. Stay in a group of protesters cordoned into an area and get flattened by heavy armor. The objective is to be in as many places at once as possible and maximize the mayhem. Those that are loyal to the state should be busy protecting their personal assets instead of focusing on the mobs. They should be fearful individuals that know that they are going to be made to pay for their deeds and loyalty to a corrupt and repressive regime. In addition to the chaos they should be subjected to the Dorner principle.   

Power should be knocked out and as many fires started as possible to keep  assets occupied elsewhere.Streets should be blocked by disabling vehicles and destruction of vital infrastructures attacked to increase the chaos. Chaos is like fire and once it starts, it spreads quickly and cannot be contained.
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Re: Why We Have the 2nd Amendment
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2014, 09:19:41 AM »
4th Generation Warfare.

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The advocates of the disarmament of the American populace such as the aforementioned CSGV always begin by saying that no group of citizenry can oppose the might of the federal government because of the vast array of weaponry including aircraft, artillery and even nuclear weapons that the federals could bring to bear if they are opposed trumps any number of armed “insurrectionists” with rifles.  This ludicrous argument is not only contradicted by many examples throughout history but begs the moral question of resistance to a predatory government itself.  If a government is so depraved as to use nuclear weapons against its own people on its own soil, it will not long survive the condemnation of even the people who otherwise support it.  The same goes for artillery and air strikes, even so called “surgical, decapitation operations.”  (More about that in a minute.)  Such weapons are, in 4GW, merely expensive but useless, appendages, especially in an uncontrolled media environment....

Finally, because of the long timelines, even the objectives are different.  Fourth-generation-warfare opponents do not seek to service more targets faster to disrupt an enemy’s OODA loop.  They do not seek to destroy an opponent’s industrial base using the U.S. Air Force’s  concept of targeting key segments of an opponent’s society.  Nor do they seek to dislocate the enemy’s armed forces so that their decision cycle fails and the enemy collapses.  In fact, it is essential to 4GW strategists that the opponent complete his strategic OODA loop -- with the resulting decision that the war is too costly to continue.  -- Hammes, Ibid.

I am not so sure this will be true of the next Civil War.  First, we do not have an uncontrolled media.  The Government will be controlling much of the narrative.
 You can count on the government creating OKLA Bomber like events.. because they can confidently initiate such false flags without fear of detection, and they will be required to keep the sheeple rallied to their side. .   Further I think "targeting key segments of the opponents society"  will be the only way around that.  The "industrial base" that the elite have are the stupid, conformist, trendy liberal morons that inhabit cities, who can be reliably called upon to "vote" and lend credence to the idea the Elite  are a legitimate force, in a legitimate system instead of  a mafia with a band of paid thugs and hanger's on paid with tax payer dollars.  This base can literal be said to manufacture political power, and this  base must become disillusioned and ineffective.  That means attacks on infrastructure that indirectly cause pain to civilians - especially their base in the cities.  Power outrages,  Sewer backups,  Fuel,  food and water  shortages. No Salt for the roads. Train derailments.

 These can and will be deadly- just not in the  direct and violent way the Oklahoma City bombing was. But the Sheeple won't stop listening to "Everything is Awesome" until its is personally not awesome for them. By default they believe the govt's job is to be the parent protect them like children - so they will automatically blame the government for not  getting food  or fuel or water to them as they sit on the bridges.

Patriots are also very likely to have personnel in key positions to disrupt the OODA  loop , and I think it would be foolish not to use that tool- or in fact all tools available.

I do agree with the idea that such warfare usually takes decades.. but because of the financial situation,  I suspect that they will decide the war is too costly rather quickly.. when the troops refuse their little bits of paper because they buy nothing.  They just don't have much time left.. certainly not decades..

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Re: Why We Have the 2nd Amendment
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2014, 09:43:49 AM »
The main element of 4GW that I think will have some bearing is the way it blurs the distinction between an enemy's physical warmaking capability, and the ancillary, softer parts of his war machine. That is to say the political and bureaucratic establishment, the mouthpieces who call themselves journalists, etc. See also the Dorner Principle. Everything is different when the enforcers and enablers of statism are being held individually and personally responsible for their role in it.

The critical role played by the MSM in bringing us to this point of "fundamental transformation" can never be overestimated. Their virtual monopoly over the public narrative for generations has probably been the single biggest weapon in the Left's arsenal. I no longer see them as people of a similar political bent who just happened to gravitate toward the same profession because that profession somehow appeals to people of that particular political bent. It's far more deliberate and calculated than that, and with things like the JournoList we've seen a few fleeting glimpses of just how calculated it all is. There's nothing accidental or coincidental about the fact that the MSM has promulgated a Leftist narrative on every issue for generations.

According to the concepts of 4GW we will find out how committed they are to the narrative when they are being held personally accountable.
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Re: Why We Have the 2nd Amendment
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2014, 09:51:20 AM »
Lessons regarding the Dorner Principle:

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Caracas, Valencia, Merida and San Cristobal in particular have become virtual war zones: National Guard units and National Police have been shooting tear gas canisters and buckshot sometimes directly at protesters, sometimes into residential buildings and, raiding any place they think student protesters may be hiding. Alongside them, the government backed colectivos (basically paramilitary gangs on motorbikes, a tropical basij) shoot at people with live ammo.

As long as protesters stay gathered in one spot as a large group then they are subject to being overwhelmed by the superior firepower of the state. Molotov’s rifles and bricks don’t hold up against snipers and APCs.  ... Stay in a group of protesters cordoned into an area and get flattened by heavy armor.

But of course, this is no war zone: in a war zone you have two sides shooting at each other. Tonight one side is doing all the shooting, the other side is doing all the being shot at.

The videos that are starting to come out are simply shocking. It’s as though the denouement we both sides have either feared or looked forward to for so long is finally coming to a head.

... And this was San Cristobal yesterday:



Power should be knocked out and as many fires started as possible to keep  assets occupied elsewhere.Streets should be blocked by disabling vehicles and destruction of vital infrastructures attacked to increase the chaos. Chaos is like fire and once it starts, it spreads quickly and cannot be contained.

http://caracaschronicles.com/2014/02/19/19f/

Reading the comments, too many are of the opinion that peacefully protesting is the ticket, because to do otherwise incites the government to escalate and kill.  It's as though they don't realize the government doesn't need incitement and is already killing them.

H/T The Smallest Minority
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Re: Why We Have the 2nd Amendment
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2014, 10:04:11 AM »

http://caracaschronicles.com/2014/02/19/19f/

Reading the comments, too many are of the opinion that peacefully protesting is the ticket, because to do otherwise incites the government to escalate and kill.  It's as though they don't realize the government doesn't need incitement and is already killing them.

H/T The Smallest Minority


Exactly. Too many people have become enamored of the Gandhi model. Gandhi's movement was an exception rather than a template. His movement was able to successfully shame the British colonial power with its own moral code. They were also aided by the fact that Britain could ill afford to maintain a far flung empire in the post-WW2 period.
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Re: Why We Have the 2nd Amendment
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2014, 10:19:38 AM »
This 4GW concept is not unlike a modern take on what the Founders had to do to defeat the greatest military force on the planet.  Certainly differences in technology, weapons and scale, but in concept the strategies and tactics would be recognized by patriots of that era.  Soft targets, targeting of officers, Washington and Sun Tzu would be on board with this.

Oh, and Weisshaupt gets a bonus for mentioning OODA Loop, we need to be sure we are in their heads haunting their dreams...and a new version of the Culper Ring needs to be implemented.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-2536600501.html
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Re: Why We Have the 2nd Amendment
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2014, 11:28:10 AM »
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Reading the comments, too many are of the opinion that peacefully protesting is the ticket, because to do otherwise incites the government to escalate and kill.  It's as though they don't realize the government doesn't need incitement and is already killing them.

Frightened masses tend to behave not unlike cattle - or sheep. They can be stampeded and can be roused to anger, but typically they are easily herded. All it takes is one shepherd to guide them in the proper direction and at the proper time.