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Offline Libertas

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Dark Markets?
« on: April 07, 2014, 07:13:26 AM »
Dark eh?  when we're they ever Light?  Or even kind of grayish?

 ::facepalm::

http://news.yahoo.com/dark-markets-may-more-harmful-high-frequency-trading-122620667--sector.html;_ylt=AwrTWf1hj0FTk10AXubQtDMD

I detest half-assed reporting and backseat analysis...

HFTs, Off-exchange, regulation, politics, crony-capitalism, the Fed and the entire banking and finance structure...these are not separate issues...they are all linked into the same game run by the elites for the elites and nobody but the elites!  The illusion of safety and function is there to keep the sheep from panicking...how else can we have events like 2008 sub-prime meltdown and ever other event that preceeded it and still have a workforce dutifully plowing money into one sector of the Kabuki or another...calming the herd and then resume driving the herd where you want it next...

Idiots!

The only inteligent play is not to play, divorce yourself from the herd...make your own trail.
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

Offline Weisshaupt

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Re: Dark Markets?
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2014, 08:45:29 AM »
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But the rise of "off-exchange trading" is terrible for the broader market because it reduces price transparency a lot, critics of the system say. The problem is these venues price their transactions off of the published prices on the exchanges - and if those prices lack integrity then "dark pool" pricing will itself be skewed.

Thanks Libertas, I needed a good laugh.

Yeah, the problem is that things will be priced what they are worth on the exchanges! People aren't paying the rigged bubble prices we want them to pay!  That could threaten the exchanges!
Damn right it could!

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But whether or not high-speed trading is sinister, revenues for these firms have been declining for years: in 2013, they were about $1 billion, after peaking at around $5 billion in 2009, according to estimates by Rosenblatt Securities. If, as Lewis says, these traders are doing nothing more than ripping off the rest of the market, it's a shrinking problem.

And why are they loosing money? Because 40% of the trades aren't using the exchanges.  The people they are looting aren't coming in  anymore, so you see, so HFT may or may not be a  problem!  But Dark Markets are!  Because their operations  will "erode market quality"  by allowing prices to find their actual levels instead of the artificial HFT induced levels...

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"So much of the U.S. equity order flow is in now in the dark, or siphoned off, that it never hits the lit exchanges, and there is just a lot less in the way of trading opportunities," said Mark Gorton, CEO of high frequency trading firm Tower Research Capital LLC.

In an attempt to win back some of the retail orders, exchanges such as IntercontinentalExchange Group's New York Stock Exchange, Nasdaq OMX Group , and BATS Global Markets, have allowed brokerages to place dark pool-style orders on their platforms, with the trade hidden until after it is executed. NYSE, Nasdaq, and BATS declined to comment.



Translation: Please come back so we can rob you some more.  Yes, we will "hide your trade" - no really we will. Would we lie?

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The pools were originally created for institutions to trade large blocks of stock without creating a large impact in the market. If an order of 1 million shares was tracked, people on the other side of the trade could quickly jack up prices and the original investor could easily pay more than expected.

But you see, if you trade in a HFT market, all of those retail orders for smaller amounts can be added up and the HFTs can adjust the price in microseconds , to make sure that the prices are jacked up when th small fry buys, and then return lower so they can be sold at a profit to the small frys who are buying them.   Gee, why wouldn't you want to use a market where you know the "price discovery" mechanism is manipulated and corrupt? - But yes, those "dark markets" need to be shut down.. and those HFT guys, don't work about them, thier opportunities for corruption and theft are declining.. until we shut down the dark markets..

« Last Edit: April 07, 2014, 09:02:05 AM by Weisshaupt »

Offline warpmine

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Re: Dark Markets?
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2014, 09:07:10 AM »
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Those whose trade never makes it to an exchange can benefit as the broker avoids paying an exchange trading fee, taking cost out of the process. Investors with large orders can also more easily disguise what they are doing, reducing the danger that others will hear what they are doing and take advantage of them.

Hides vitals from the common trader making it ever so much more a shot in the dark. This only benefits one type, the Soros' of the trading world looking to make 10's of millions before anyone realizes that the market sector has already reversed course. The small trader/investor is more likely to be blindsided by the sudden shift.

Screw this sh*t. The market has been rigged by the gatekeepers that get paid under the table in the future. This is how the rich make their money, by trading in secret deals away from the light.
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Re: Dark Markets?
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2014, 11:24:21 AM »
Soros is at the top of the corrupt crony food chain...he can gulp in millions like a Humpback on krill by just playing the line on the Kabuki markets!

And the more people refuse to play in their pool the less they'll be able to steal...and hopefully their extravagant lifestyle burns through what they got (OK maybe not Soros and Gates and Allen and all those asshats) and they go tits up.

From now till C-Day (Collapse Day) that's about all we can do.

ETA - Weisshaupt...what do you make of this? 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-07/1215095-flash-boys-mystery-solved

All I can figure is a line-of-sight MW network should move faster than Fiberoptic because of less signal loss and switching/routing intersections...so the only advantage in building such a network is to shave milliseconds off existing larceny and grab a bigger piece of a falling pie...

But I am no Einstein...
« Last Edit: April 07, 2014, 02:43:10 PM by Libertas »
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.