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Western states trying to flex their muscles
« on: April 19, 2014, 07:31:20 PM »
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/57836973-90/utah-lands-lawmakers-federal.html.csp

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It’s time for Western states to take control of federal lands within their borders, lawmakers and county commissioners from Western states said at Utah’s Capitol on Friday.

More than 50 political leaders from nine states convened for the first time to talk about their joint goal: wresting control of oil-, timber -and mineral-rich lands away from the feds.

 "It’s simply time," said Rep. Ken Ivory, R-West Jordan, who organized the Legislative Summit on the Transfer for Public Lands along with Montana state Sen. Jennifer Fielder. "The urgency is now."

Utah House Speaker Becky Lockhart, R-Provo, was flanked by a dozen participants, including her counterparts from Idaho and Montana, during a press conference after the daylong closed-door summit. U.S. Sen. Mike Lee addressed the group over lunch, Ivory said. New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Wyoming, Oregon and Washington also were represented.

The summit was in the works before this month’s tense standoff between Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the Bureau of Land Management over cattle grazing, Lockhart said.

"What’s happened in Nevada is really just a symptom of a much larger problem," Lockhart said.

Fielder, who described herself as "just a person who lives in the woods," said federal land management is hamstrung by bad policies, politicized science and severe federal budget cuts.

"Those of us who live in the rural areas know how to take care of lands," Fielder said, who lives in the northwestern Montana town of Thompson Falls.

"We have to start managing these lands. It’s the right thing to do for our people, for our environment, for our economy and for our freedoms," Fielder said.

Idaho Speaker of the House Scott Bedke said Idaho forests and rangeland managed by the state have suffered less damage and watershed degradation from wildfire than have lands managed by federal agencies.
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Re: Western states trying to flex their muscles
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2014, 08:36:58 PM »
Good for them! I hope they can get some of the states power and autonomy back like it should be.
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Re: Western states trying to flex their muscles
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2014, 09:03:08 PM »
  They can give it a shot but I would think that the local sheriffs have more power than the feds in their home states and could be used to fire the first shot by  throwing the feds out of their counties.
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Re: Western states trying to flex their muscles
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2014, 09:16:46 PM »
Iirc, the vast majority of wild fires are on fed land, resulting from the environazis prohibiting clear cutting and other common sense land management practices.
The Feds f**k up everything they touch.
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Re: Western states trying to flex their muscles
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2014, 10:19:29 PM »
Once control is taken back from the feds,  much government owned land needs to be sold off to the highest bidder.   It's ridiculous that in some western states,  the federal government owns half or more of the land.    It's mostly closed off from the public,  doesn't produce property taxes for the states, isn't producing anything for anybody.    It would help with this recession by opening land to productive use and economic activity. 

If we could stop deficit spending I would propose using the money raised from land sales to reduce the debt.   It's the only real fair way to raise the money wasted.   Its also how every other bankrupt entity raises money for debt repayment as well.    But we have to stop the overspending first,  as we will at some point run out of sellable property. 

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Re: Western states trying to flex their muscles
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2014, 10:41:17 PM »
The debate over Federal supremacy was "settled" when the feds proved they were willing to wage war on wayward states. From that point on the Federal government went from being a servant of the states (which they themselves chartered into existence in the first place) to their overlord.

Everything since -- from the fact of western states being over 80% "owned" by the feds, to them telling your kid's elementary school what they can serve in the cafeteria, to them telling you how much water your turd flusher can use -- stems from that power grab.

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Re: Western states trying to flex their muscles
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2014, 08:03:45 AM »
The debate over Federal supremacy was "settled" when the feds proved they were willing to wage war on wayward states. From that point on the Federal government went from being a servant of the states (which they themselves chartered into existence in the first place) to their overlord.

Everything since -- from the fact of western states being over 80% "owned" by the feds, to them telling your kid's elementary school what they can serve in the cafeteria, to them telling you how much water your turd flusher can use -- stems from that power grab.

There will be no stuffing the genie back into the bottle. Breaking the bottle will be the only thing that eventually stops it.

Let the games begin!


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Re: Western states trying to flex their muscles
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2014, 07:10:55 AM »
Yeah, fire the flaming arrow into the sky already.

This can all be laid 100% at the feet of the progressives...from Teddy Roosevelt on forward, and for the past 50-60 years this issue has been getting worse and between the abuse of the radical conservationists and the cabal between the statists and crony capitalists, this perversion has only increased and become more brazen.

Enough already!
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Re: Western states trying to flex their muscles
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2014, 11:45:49 AM »
Between the Battle of Bunkerville documented here and the New Mexico issue posted here and the issues in other western states recorded here...there is more than enough avenue for righteous pushback by fed up citizens to go around!

Now we can add Texas to the list...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/blm-seizes-texas-ranchers-land-without-any-compensation-video/

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/04/22/Exclusive-Greg-Abbott-to-BLM-Come-and-Take-It

And if AG Abbott is going to confront them, best he pull together a posse and do it right!  Now is the time to go in armed, otherwise you're just fooling yourselves and encouraging them!
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Re: Western states trying to flex their muscles
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2014, 04:09:34 PM »
  Has Perry said anything??
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Re: Western states trying to flex their muscles
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2014, 07:06:35 AM »
  Has Perry said anything??

Not that I am aware of, or not that the press is covering.

All I see on the interwebs is his picking on Cuomo and NY, trying to lure business to the friendly state of Texas.

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Re: Western states trying to flex their muscles
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2014, 08:05:35 AM »
Aye, thanks Pan.  Didn't check The Blaze, still PO'd by that pantywaist Beck I guess...
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Re: Western states trying to flex their muscles
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2014, 08:32:28 AM »
I only went there because it was H/T'd on Drudge; (should have posted that too).
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Re: Western states trying to flex their muscles
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2014, 07:36:22 AM »
These Western states could really pick up the ball and run hard with it, I wish they would, there are some Governors who should step up and talk to the others and get a coordinated offense planned, because as this fella states "It makes me worried that [the president will] just ignore the wishes of the people of Utah and just do what he wants to — like Clinton did"...because, um yeah...this asshole in the WH will do it!

Oh, and know who that fella is?  Yeah, same fella who let Clinton get away with it too!  Orin "Mr. Civil" Hatch!

Y'all out west will get little help from DC, time for y'all to realize you have to fight for what's yours, assert your state and land-owner rights and tell the Fedcoats to eff off!

If not now, it'll never happen...

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/57892050-90/bishop-congress-lands-local.html.csp
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