Topic: Check Your argument

[Weisshaupt]

Check your argument via Instapundit

[Libertas]

"If your underlying argument is flawed, you do need a force other than logic and evidence to sustain your position.  Political correctness is an admission of intellectual frailty."

All true.

Still, they don't give a damn, and highlighting their intellectual frailty will just result in them accusing you of making ad hom personal attacks to hide the fact that that is exactly their sole strategy behind their "smear the messenger" attempt...what they are not used to is people holding their ground and verbally pummeling with the truth until a) their primitive low-capacity brains explode out their eyes and ears b) stutter themselves into a vegetative state c) run away or d) sic their statist-controlled goons to manhandle you out of the venue.

Once again, this highlights my desire to reintroduce the gentlemanly sport of dueling...maybe the personal attacks will only cease once bodies start dropping...once the price to pay for intellectual dishonesty is high enough, perhaps then rational discussion of issues using facts and reason can enjoy a renaissance, eh?!

[Weisshaupt]

Once again, this highlights my desire to reintroduce the gentlemanly sport of dueling...maybe the personal attacks will only cease once bodies start dropping...once the price to pay for intellectual dishonesty is high enough, perhaps then rational discussion of issues using facts and reason can enjoy a renaissance, eh?!

Actually dueling implies they can fight back.  Once the violence starts in earnest,  they should simply be hunted.  A code of honor makes no sense when dealing with people who have none.  They will only use it against you to gain an unfair advantage. They will shoot you in the back as you walk your 20 paces with no qualms - after all the only principle they have is the advancement of their own goals,m and they can't do that dead.  Hence they will cheat, just like they cheat at elections, just as they cheat intellectually by refusing to engage in argument and not giving a damn what the truth is.

The golden rule only works when you have people with a conscience and a sincere desire to do right by others.  The left has proven time and again they have no intention of every dealing with others in good faith - or even considering them at all other than as property owned by the collective.


Those without civility do not deserve to be treated with civility
Those who ignore the rights of others, can claim to have no rights of their own.

There is no reason to engage in a "fair fight" with them.
 



 

[Libertas]

Once again, this highlights my desire to reintroduce the gentlemanly sport of dueling...maybe the personal attacks will only cease once bodies start dropping...once the price to pay for intellectual dishonesty is high enough, perhaps then rational discussion of issues using facts and reason can enjoy a renaissance, eh?!

Actually dueling implies they can fight back.  Once the violence starts in earnest,  they should simply be hunted.  A code of honor makes no sense when dealing with people who have none.  They will only use it against you to gain an unfair advantage. They will shoot you in the back as you walk your 20 paces with no qualms - after all the only principle they have is the advancement of their own goals,m and they can't do that dead.  Hence they will cheat, just like they cheat at elections, just as they cheat intellectually by refusing to engage in argument and not giving a damn what the truth is.

The golden rule only works when you have people with a conscience and a sincere desire to do right by others.  The left has proven time and again they have no intention of every dealing with others in good faith - or even considering them at all other than as property owned by the collective.


Those without civility do not deserve to be treated with civility
Those who ignore the rights of others, can claim to have no rights of their own.

There is no reason to engage in a "fair fight" with them.

Knowing they are cheating bastards going in is an assumption on my part, my seconds (plural) would ensure no funny-business and I would never turn my back on a demonrat.

But yes, in the end it will come to slaughtering them on-sight, nothing has changed there...

It's just the romantic in me that finds slapping a libiot in the face and then gunning them down on the steps of the Capitol (for example) so appealing, know what I mean?  I mean once the balloon goes up on all-out civil war all such pleasantries evaporate, until then I want some play time!

PS - Look how indoctrinators like to debate righteously angry parents...call in the goons!

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=11322.new#new

[Alphabet Soup]

Those without civility do not deserve to be treated with civility

Years ago I took a job on an assembly line. It paid well enough - for the times, but was typical in its inherent dehumanization. Almost like being in prison (except that you get to go home each day), there were unspoken but cardinal rules that one needed to learn and, once learned strictly heeded. To step outside of those rules put you at odds with the huddling masses and could get you wound around an axle - literally.

I did OK - I made few friends but generally got along with folks. Those who were outspoken or open agitators I avoided like the plague. They typically didn't last long and were notorious for causing collateral damage.

And then there was Roland. Roland was an immigrant from some eastern european country (which one I didn't know and didn't care). Roland wasn't a big guy but he was aggressive, rude, and belligerent. Several times Roland disrespected me by cutting into line, reaching in front of me to grab what he wanted, even taking things out of my hand.

As my primary directive was to keep my job, I let it go, but it weighed on me and built compound interest with each additional slight. Finally I had enough and challenged him.

"Roland, I don't know WTF you think you're doing  but if you don't stop you and me are gonna go a round or two".

"Since fighting will probably get both of us fired I intend to stomp on you until you're just a puddle of goo".

Roland just looked at me silently. After a moment he shrugged his shoulders and walked away. Another guy who was a Czech immigrant approached me and congratulated me. He told me that he had been watching the drama that had been unfolding and was wondering when (or if) I would ever defend "my honor".

"Where Roland comes from you stand your ground. Everyone treats everyone like shyt because everyone treats everyone like shyt. He didn't respect you because you didn't respect yourself - at least in his eyes. He won't diss you - unless you back down again".

I made some noise about "he better not" yada-yada. It turned out that my Czech buddy was right. Roland remained the rude prick that he was but he left me alone.

We live in a time where civility and basic courtesy are becoming a rare sight. As much as I would prefer to live in the world I grew up in, those days are gone and I am compelled to live in the real world.

 

[IronDioPriest]

"If your underlying argument is flawed, you do need a force other than logic and evidence to sustain your position.  Political correctness is an admission of intellectual frailty."

I really like it when big ideas that usually get bogged down in debate are made succinct by simple truth.

[AlanS]

"If your underlying argument is flawed, you do need a force other than logic and evidence to sustain your position.  Political correctness is an admission of intellectual frailty."

I really like it when big ideas that usually get bogged down in debate are made succinct by simple truth.

I believe the "bogging down in debate" is where the lawyers come in....

[Libertas]

"If your underlying argument is flawed, you do need a force other than logic and evidence to sustain your position.  Political correctness is an admission of intellectual frailty."

I really like it when big ideas that usually get bogged down in debate are made succinct by simple truth.

I believe the "bogging down in debate" is where the lawyers come in....

And that's when we need to invoke Shakespeare!

[Weisshaupt]

Commentary continued

It’s easy to see that this notion that accomplishment comes not from hard work but from some mysterious force, operating out there in the ether, is essential to liberal thought. To excuse the dole-devouring layabouts who form so much of the Democrat voting base, it is critical that they undermine the achievements of those who support themselves. We can’t have the American people thinking that hard work leads to success; people might start asking why liberal constituencies don’t just work harder instead of demanding more money from those who actually produce something.

This “Check your privilege” meme is the newest trump card du jour on college campuses and in other domains of progressive tyranny. It morphed into existence from the “You racist!” wolf-cry that is now so discredited that it produces little but snickers even among liberal fellow travelers. After all, if everyone is racist – and to the progressives, everyone is except themselves – then no one is really racist. And it’s kind of hard to take seriously being called “racist” by adherents of a political party that made a KKK kleagle its Senate majority leader.

So how do we deal with this idiocy?

The proper response to the privilege gambit is laughter. The super-serious zealots of progressivism hate being laughed at, but there’s really no other appropriate response outside of a stream of obscenities. The privilege game is designed to circumvent arguments based on reason and facts and evidence, so the way to win it is to defeat it on its own terms.
Call: “Check your privilege!”

Response: “What you call ‘privilege’ is just me being better than you.”

They won’t like it. It will make them angry. Good. Because tactics like “Check your privilege” are designed to make us angry, to put us off-balance, to baffle us and suck us down into a rabbit hole of leftist jargon and progressive stupidity.

Don’t follow them. Mock them. Accuse them of adhering to a transphobic cisnormative paradigm and start shrieking “Hate crime!”

Don’t worry about not making sense. They’re college students. They are used to not understanding what people smarter than they are tell them.

Respectful argument should be reserved for those who respect the concept of argument. The sulky sophomores who babble about privilege do not. They only understand power. And we give them power when we give their nonsense the respect we would give a coherent argument.

They deserve only laughter. And to laugh at them, we simply need to refuse to be intimidated.They deserve only laughter. And to laugh at them, we simply need to refuse to be intimidated.

The plain fact is that what they understand to be “privilege” is really just what regular people understand is a “consequence.” It is a consequence of hard work, of delaying gratification and of sacrifice. No one came and bestowed this country upon us. We built it. Some of us died doing so. If we have privilege, it was earned at Bunker Hill, Gettysburg and Normandy. It’s not a function of skin tone or the number of vowels in your name; it’s a function of character.

Their poisonous notion of privilege is really just another way for liberals to pick winners and losers based not upon who has won or lost in the real world, but upon who is useful and not useful to the progressive project at any given moment.

This is why you see young people descended from Holocaust survivors tagged as bearers of “privilege” when their tattooed, emaciated grand-parents landed here with nothing but the clothes on their backs. Others who grew up in luxury get to bear the label of “unprivileged” because ten generations ago some relative came from a particular continent.

It’s idiocy. It’s immoral. We need to say so. For too long we’ve put up with this silliness.

For too long we conservatives have played nicely, being good sports about being slandered and returning respect when offered contempt. It didn’t work. It’s time to try something new. And that something new is not taking guff from some 20 year-old gender studies major with a stupid tribal tatt, a sense of entitlement and a big mouth.

What they say is privilege is what we say is a reward for doing more with our lives than waiting for Uncle Sucker to refill our EBT cards. “Privilege” is a result of not being a human sloth, of not doing drugs, of not having kids we can’t afford them, and of not living our lives as a practical exercise in chaos theory.

I would say "read the whole thing", but I just quoted 85% of it.
I long for the day when telling someone to "check your privilege" comes with the consequence of having the crap beat out of you in some alleyway.
Some days the collapse just can't come fast enough - and the best part is they won't be able to stop themselves from whining. We will know exactly who is in need of an attitude adjustment.

[Libertas]

I read this earlier and knew I would be hearing from you.

I like the advice, as a bare minimum the response should be boisterous laughter and a scathing "I am better than you"...I would throw in "because I am intelligent enough to know how to successfully work for EVERYTHING I have earned in life...I did not want to be a whinning gutless parasite sucking the life out of society!" for good measure.

And when the inevitable personal attacks, lies and name calling come spewing out of their putrid mouths...then The Beast will have its say...

[Libertas]

Well, that didn't take long...

Challenge the moonbat racist left on your website and on TV and on your Twitter account...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/progressives-today-editor-in-chief-kyle-olson-on-the-kelly-file-tonight-900-pm-et/

And leftists since they are incapable of engaging in free, open and honest debate cut your account off...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/breaking-progressives-today-twitter-account-suspended/

Typical move for typical progressive trash.

Highlights once again the need for a real free speech social media vehicle, tell these leftist-loving race-baiting trash-peddlers on Twitter et al to go rot in Hell...

[Libertas]

My God!  These people completely nucking futs!  I don't think there is a deprogramming program capable of helping restore these fools to sanity...they are complete write-off's!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/white-privilege-conference-2014-part-2-obama-is-the-front-man-for-the-racist-american-white-privilege-system-video/

But that isn't stopping Harvard from donning the dunce cap...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/harvard-to-require-students-to-check-their-privilege-during-orientation/

Idiots!

Read what this black woman has to say to you fools, if you dare hear the truth and learn from it!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/powerful-stacy-washington-an-open-letter-to-white-privilege-2014-attendees-video/