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A Tale of Two Antarcticas
« on: May 12, 2014, 03:25:00 PM »
So today we have two separate stories.  All the MSM are reliably repeating a new report from NASA that says the western Antarctic glacial melt has now passed the point of no return:

http://www.weather.com/article/loss-west-antarctic-glaciers-unstoppable-could-raise-seas-4-feet-20140512

While The Australian has an article reporting that Antarctic ice was at a record extent for the month of April:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/12/antarctic-sea-ice-at-record-levels/


And even if we assumed the chicken-little nonsense to be true, if it's already past the point of no return then what's the big emergency?
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Re: A Tale of Two Antarcticas
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2014, 04:32:37 PM »
So today we have two separate stories.  All the MSM are reliably repeating a new report from NASA that says the western Antarctic glacial melt has now passed the point of no return:

http://www.weather.com/article/loss-west-antarctic-glaciers-unstoppable-could-raise-seas-4-feet-20140512

While The Australian has an article reporting that Antarctic ice was at a record extent for the month of April:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/12/antarctic-sea-ice-at-record-levels/


And even if we assumed the chicken-little nonsense to be true, if it's already past the point of no return then what's the big emergency?

The arctic is decreasing in sea Ice - probably because the coal soot from china is changing the albedo of the ice.


Antarctica HAS NEVER SHOWN any real warming , despite being part of the globe in global warming

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/



Mind you deviation from the mean here is being calculated from 1979-2008, so 30 years.  Is 30 years a statistically significant number given its ONE F'ING DATA POINT per day  A YEAR?  You are looking at what it was last year on the same day.  Its basically a 30 year running average, but that doesn't tell us much about say, the last 100 years of warming, which before 1940 humans had no signficant CO2 impact during.

Ats all BS made up to control.  Hell most of these AGW proponents can't even name the most powerful greenhouse gas ( water vapor) much less that AGW theory relies on an unprove positive feeedback effect between rises in CO2 and water vapor, which assume a lot about cloud formation that we don't know or understand well ( A lot of clouds can BLOCK light from the earth, vs causing it to be absorbed..)

But the Science is settled!
If it is, why do all of these scientists keep getting grants to study something that is already known then?
I will believe its settled when no one can get a grant. Just like I will believe its a crisis when those in power alter their habits as if it were a crisis.

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Re: A Tale of Two Antarcticas
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2014, 07:20:04 AM »
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Re: A Tale of Two Antarcticas
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2014, 11:09:04 AM »
In this whole elaborate ruse they have concocted (for the purpose of imposing a global authoritarian state) one of the bigger consequences is the cheapening of science. The trustworthiness of science is permanently tarnished in a lot of people's minds.

It's a striking sort of irony really. Modern science assumed its lofty position during the Enlightenment, and it earned cultural respect precisely because of its willingness to question what was to that point an obscurantist system where information came only from specially credentialed gatekeepers. At the time of the Enlightenment it was the clerics of the Church acting as the gatekeepers, but before them you had druids and shamans functioning in a similar capacity. All around the world cultures would develop this priestly caste who claimed a special sort of knowing, and therefore you must obey their dictates "or else" (the sun won't rise, the crops will fail, etc, etc).

By prostituting itself to political ambition, science has begun to resemble this special caste. This is particularly evident in the insistence that the debate is settled. The Great Oz has spoken, didn't you get the memo? Most troubling is the coordinated attacks against those who remain unconvinced that anything has been settled. I mean, it's functionally no different than accusations of heresy followed by a Grand Inquisition.

All the forces in play seem to be, at the most general level, a giant reassertion of feudalism.
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Re: A Tale of Two Antarcticas
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2014, 11:31:31 AM »
At the time of the Enlightenment it was the clerics of the Church acting as the gatekeepers, but before them you had druids and shamans functioning in a similar capacity. All around the world cultures would develop this priestly caste who claimed a special sort of knowing, and therefore you must obey their dictates "or else" (the sun won't rise, the crops will fail, etc, etc).

I love asking liberals that - Do you know what they used to call "experts"? Priests.  They get so angry, because they know their understanding is based on faith in the priest's knowledge, not their own.

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This is particularly evident in the insistence that the debate is settled. The Great Oz has spoken, didn't you get the memo? Most troubling is the coordinated attacks against those who remain unconvinced that anything has been settled. I mean, it's functionally no different than accusations of heresy followed by a Grand Inquisition.

Yes, because Science!TM  is about providing mankind with settled, unchangeable answers.  Like the Bohr model of the atom and  Newtonian Physics which know to be settled science.  You know till Einstein - an credentialed "non-expert" patent clerk turned all of that on its head.

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