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The clueless leaders in Congress
« on: November 21, 2014, 02:10:30 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republicans-confront-own-worst-enemy-on-immigration/2014/11/20/9b885c06-70d2-11e4-ad12-3734c461eab6_story.html



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Just two weeks ago, Republicans handed President Obama a humiliating defeat at the polls, winning full control of Congress. But already, party leaders fear that the conservative uproar over the president’s immigration actions will doom any hopes for a stable period of GOP governance.

The moves announced Thursday night by Obama — which will protect millions of illegal immigrants from deportation — have sparked an immediate and widening rebellion among tea party lawmakers that top Republicans are struggling to contain.

Despite expanded powers and some new titles, soon-to-be Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) remain sharply limited in their ability to persuade their most conservative members. The duo has been thrust back into the same cycle of intraparty warfare that has largely defined the GOP during the Obama years and that has hurt the party’s brand among the broader electorate.

“It is the first real challenge for Boehner and McConnell together,” said Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.), a Boehner ally. “They’d like to wipe the slate clean for when they start up next year, with this situation behind us.”

In his prime-time speech from the East Room of the White House, Obama blamed Republicans for forcing his hand by refusing to approve immigration reform and told them, “Pass a bill.” He also cast the issue in moral terms, quoting Scripture to bolster his case.
During his speech on immigration reform, President Obama called on illegal immigrants to "come out of the shadows" and "get right with the law." (AP)

But comprehensive immigration reform is unlikely to pass a Republican-held Congress, because of partisan hostilities in Washington. Still, GOP leaders badly want to show the country that the party can govern constructively, even if it is not clear whether they can keep their raucous conference united.

McConnell and Boehner, for example, want to approve a long-term spending bill at least through the early part of next year — part of an effort to limit theatrical confrontations with Obama and focus on tax reform and other Republican-friendly issues.

But conservatives inside and outside Congress want to use the budget process as a battleground to wage war against Obama and his immigration program. The proposed gambit raises the specter of another government shutdown, akin to the one that damaged Republicans last year.

The debate is also a test of whether the party can contain the controversial and sometimes offensive comments that have often hindered attempts to bolster support for Republicans among Hispanics. After tea party firebrand Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) said on Wednesday that protected immigrants would become “illiterate” voters, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) winced.

“Unfortunate, unfair, unnecessary, unwise,” said Graham, who is close to party leaders.

Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), a moderate from the Philadelphia exurbs, said the leadership is asking his colleagues to “not play into the president’s hands.”

“The president wants to see an angry and intemperate response, thinking the Republicans will do something that leads to a shutdown,” Dent said. “Don’t take the bait, and don’t have a hysterical reaction. We can be strong, rational and measured.”
President Obama will take executive action Thursday to offer temporary legal status to millions of undocumented immigrants. View Graphic


Republican leaders are considering several moves they say would be forceful responses to the president while also keeping the government funded. Ideas being floated include filing a lawsuit over Obama’s executive authority, pursuing stand-alone legislation on immigration policy and removing funding for immigration agencies.

Another option — funding the government until the end of the fiscal year and then rescinding parts of immigration-related funding — is favored by the leadership and championed by House Appropriations Committee Chairman Harold Rogers (R-Ky.). His office has issued a memo urging members to avoid using government funding as the means of dissent and warning that some immigration agencies would not be affected since they operate on user fees.

“We are considering a variety of options,” McConnell said Thursday in a floor speech. He suggested that his preference would be for Republicans to avoid becoming mired in a fiscal clash during the lame-duck session, shortly before the GOP takes control of the Senate in January.

Many conservative lawmakers, however, are shrugging off pleas from leadership. Furious with the president, they are planning a series of immediate and hard-line actions that could have sweeping consequences. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) said Wednesday that Obama’s executive action should be met with a refusal to vote on any more of his nominees, and on Thursday, he compared the action with the ancient Catiline conspiracy, a plot to overthrow the Roman Republic.

Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), likely the next chairman of the budget committee, has advocated for a series of stopgap spending bills with the intent of pressuring the president to relent. Sessions is the featured speaker at a Heritage Foundation event Friday morning in response to Obama’s moves, a couple of hours after a scheduled Boehner news conference.

And Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) — one of the loudest voices on the right — has hinted at bringing up impeachment measures. “We have constitutional authority to do a string of things. [Impeachment] would be the very last option, but I would not rule it out,” King said Thursday on CNN.

Amid the chatter over strategy, it is the tone of outraged rank-and-file members that most worries GOP elders. Ahead of the 2016 presidential election, they do not want to see Republicans tagged by Democrats as hostile toward Latinos and other minorities.

“It only takes a couple” of comments for an unflattering narrative to build about the Republican response, said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). “That’s the trouble with having some of these new, young punks around here. They ought to listen to us old geezers.”

In the House, Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (R-Fla.), who has been a prominent backer of comprehensive immigration reform, has been counseling House Republicans about the need to show empathy for undocumented workers as the party rails against the Obama administration, according to GOP aides familiar with his deliberations.

Yet the firestorms have continued to flare, with some Republicans, encouraged by grass-roots activists and conservative media personalities, eschewing the party’s more incremental line and making contentious statements.

Speaking with reporters, Bachmann had said the “social cost” of Obama’s immigration policies would be extensive, with “millions of unskilled, illiterate, foreign nationals coming into the United States who can’t speak the English language.”

When pressed on why she used the term “illiterate,” Bachmann said, “I’m not using a pejorative term against people who are non-American citizens. I’m only repeating what I heard from Hispanic Americans down at the border.”

On Friday, Bachmann and Steve King plan to travel to the U.S.-Mexico border to meet with officials to showcase their opposition to the president and cast themselves as leading Republican voices.

Other Republicans have called for a proactive legislative response beginning early next year, rallying behind a strategy that would take away government funding as the main battleground and turning toward specific policy areas.

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a potential presidential candidate, said Republicans must signal that in spite of their disagreements with the president, they are committed to reform. “This country needs to deal with immigration,” he said in an interview.

I find it pitiful that there aren't a handful of real men in the whole phucking building. Just a bunch of metrosexuals.
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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2014, 03:33:56 PM »
So, the word illiterate is pejorative and racist now?  Most of these f**king aliens aren't even functional -- literate -- in the languages of their home countries, nevermind in English, and we don't need the "hispanics" at the border to tell us that as any teacher of ESL can attest to it.

As for McCain and his young punks/old geezers bullspit, he needs to, finally, STFD and STFU.

Lastly, I neither have nor want my Representative(s) to have EMPATHY for those who have broken into my country and stolen any form of identification while they undermine its sovereignty.
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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2014, 04:12:56 PM »

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Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a potential presidential candidate, said Republicans must signal that in spite of their disagreements with the president, they are committed to reform. “This country needs to deal with immigration,” he said in an interview.
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Yes. We need to deal with immigration.  The "REFORM" should involve say - enforcing the laws we already have?
Or better yet, how about simply shooting undocumented aliens when they are  found?
I guarantee that will take care of our "undocumented" immigrant problem in a hurry.

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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2014, 06:07:12 AM »
I don't know why I'm pissed off. The whole platform this year was "We're not Obama!" They didn't actually promise to do anything.
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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2014, 11:26:20 AM »
This is who these cowards are, they worry about a narrative that is a pipe-dream the way they envision it and don't give a flying fornication for the Constitution.  They all deserve the Hell coming their way.
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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2014, 07:05:43 AM »
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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2014, 11:50:29 AM »
Yeah, the cartoon I posted is funny, but to damn true!

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/jeh-johnson-funding-request-113259.html

"Republicans are looking for ways to punish the White House for President Barack Obama’s unilateral action to protect up to 5 million undocumented immigrants from deportation but avoid a government shutdown."

OK, now this statement is equal parts wishful prodding by the MFM, what passes for Rovian logic and sadly what passes for E-GOP concerns.

But this DHS prick, and every progressive/statist Obame Regime douchebag, the MFM, cronies etc...all seem to be under the mistaken impression that all of the dire consequences of not funding government are the fault of just one side, period.  We know this to be true because when the DemoProgs control Congress and an opposition leader is in the White House such threats are never put back on the Congress but on the President, so...but the E-GOP always get tripped up by this because they want to be seen in a better light than the Dem's but they are like Charlie Brown in that it doesn't matter how many times the Dem's and the MFM pull the football away in mid-kick, the stupid sonsofbitches fall for it time and time again...

If the government has no money and shuts down, why should the blame not go anywhere but against the Regime that is flaunting the Constitution, that is flaunting laws by not enforcing them, that is blowing money in a manner not proscribed by Congress as established in the Constitution, that is defiantly issuing Imperial Edicts without any remorse and full malice of forethought?!

Shut the fothermucker down!!!  Walk away and tell them what has to happen to reopen, or all the sh*t is on them!!!

But the goddamned pansies will not ever do it.  This President could sodomize an underage boy on live TV in the middle of the White House lawn at high noon and brag about it afterward and still these E-GOP cowards would not do what is necessary!

That there tells you all you need to know about where we are, what needs to happen...what will happen one way or another.
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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2014, 01:33:02 PM »
When you announce to your opponent that there are certain things you will never do under any circumstances, is it really any surprise when the opponent uses that to his advantage every single time?

It could be telling North Vietnam you aren't going to bomb Hanoi, it could be telling jihadis you will never bomb a mosque, or in this case telling the Democrats you will never shut down the precious government.

So I guess that just means the Democrats get to do whatever they want, regardless of election results, so long as they make shutting down the government the only avenue for stopping them.

In another somewhat related point, Rush opened his show yesterday talking about the frustration at how truth and facts no longer matter.  That's particularly frustrating for our side, because we are wired to believe in objective truth and its ability to overpower lies. A perfect example is global warming. They continue to bleat on about global warming without missing a beat, and pointing out that global temperatures are actually in a cooling trend over the past 18 years does absolutely nothing to stop them. You ask yourself how much longer can such a state of affairs possibly go on. It's enough to drive one insane.
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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2014, 01:52:54 PM »
Satans hand is in the mix.
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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2014, 07:17:35 AM »
When you announce to your opponent that there are certain things you will never do under any circumstances, is it really any surprise when the opponent uses that to his advantage every single time?

It could be telling North Vietnam you aren't going to bomb Hanoi, it could be telling jihadis you will never bomb a mosque, or in this case telling the Democrats you will never shut down the precious government.

So I guess that just means the Democrats get to do whatever they want, regardless of election results, so long as they make shutting down the government the only avenue for stopping them.

In another somewhat related point, Rush opened his show yesterday talking about the frustration at how truth and facts no longer matter.  That's particularly frustrating for our side, because we are wired to believe in objective truth and its ability to overpower lies. A perfect example is global warming. They continue to bleat on about global warming without missing a beat, and pointing out that global temperatures are actually in a cooling trend over the past 18 years does absolutely nothing to stop them. You ask yourself how much longer can such a state of affairs possibly go on. It's enough to drive one insane.

Yeah, and when we tell the E-GOP we are not putting up with their crap anymore, they fail to respond in like manner.  They cave to everyone except those they should have alliegence to!

Once again. Pubbies win an election, and propmptly surrender.

To Hell with this.
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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2014, 07:18:23 AM »
Satans hand is in the mix.

Yeah, no doubt.  Wish I could hack it off and beat some sense into them with the bloody stump!
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2014, 10:55:34 AM »
Yeah, and when we tell the E-GOP we are not putting up with their crap anymore, they fail to respond in like manner.  They cave to everyone except those they should have alliegence to!

Once again. Pubbies win an election, and propmptly surrender.

To Hell with this.


Yep, and this is why I am just about equally sick of people on our side castigating those of us who aren't GOP cheerleaders.  Agreeing to remain GOP loyalists because "they're the lesser evil" is really no different than them taking impeachment and government shutdowns off the table.  If you cannot effect change through the avenues currently available, you have to blaze new trails.  Maybe if everyone had said to hell with this whole "lesser evil" dichotomy 20 years ago, that hypothetical new party would be a real contender by now.

Oh well.  There's no political solution at this point anyway.  That might also have been different had we not shackled ourselves to the lesser evil dichotomy for all these years.
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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2014, 11:45:07 AM »
Yeah, and when we tell the E-GOP we are not putting up with their crap anymore, they fail to respond in like manner.  They cave to everyone except those they should have alliegence to!

Once again. Pubbies win an election, and propmptly surrender.

To Hell with this.


Yep, and this is why I am just about equally sick of people on our side castigating those of us who aren't GOP cheerleaders.  Agreeing to remain GOP loyalists because "they're the lesser evil" is really no different than them taking impeachment and government shutdowns off the table.  If you cannot effect change through the avenues currently available, you have to blaze new trails.  Maybe if everyone had said to hell with this whole "lesser evil" dichotomy 20 years ago, that hypothetical new party would be a real contender by now.

Oh well.  There's no political solution at this point anyway.  That might also have been different had we not shackled ourselves to the lesser evil dichotomy for all these years.

Newt's New Turks were the last leaders who didn't have their manhood shrivel and hide, they at least impeached that crook Clinton, and in the face of almost certain Senate capitulation and 24/7/365 Democrat/Media Complex hate broadcasting.  These current assholes have a POTUS 1,000 times more corrupt and they could not locate their manhood with an electron microscope!

And 22 years ago there was an attempt, maybe not the right man for many people, but I could not vote for a lying backstabbing G H W Bush again and no way in Hell was I going to vote for Slick Willie...so I threw in with Perot.  Maybe Perot wasn't the best option at this time, but neither was he the worst.  Looking back on it there is no way Perot would have been as big a tool as Clinton and no way would he be a E-GOP rubberstamp traitor like Bush, Bush betrayed the Reagan Revolution, pissed all over conservatives and brought the GOP back under Ruling Class control.  Pundits at the time blamed people like me for Clinton being elected and for a long time I wondered if that was true, but then I remember the betrayal and the lack of any focus on that aspect, and I at least know getting f**ked over wasn't my doing (or that of any of the 19% that voted like me)...and apart from the brief Contract with American moment in '94 and the brief Tea Party rise of late the GOP has stayed largely E-GOP.

The lesser-than fools can KMA!



People really need to stop being insane!



ETA - Well, assume to position, take like you like it, the lesser-than's are testing your integrity...both rectal and mental...

Sessions: House about to break campaign promise on immigration.

Umm, newsflash Jeff, the GOP pretended to fight for no more than five minutes!

The non-Ruling Class folk in the GOP are plotting to muck up this capitulation, but in the end there are just too many Ruling Class assholes, traitors of America and it's Founding really, so if they called for the people to arm and march I would get 100% behind that, but I doubt that will happen....there is no leadership, not even among people we like...

This is the end folks, this is what the loss of liberty looks like...

Prepare for the inescapable end game...the only game left to play and this one will be for keeps...shirkers will be obliterated...

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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2014, 03:24:15 PM »
We need a new party...... The two party system is terminally ill because both parties have the same ideals, one takes you by jet and the other by bus, but have no doubt they take you to the same destination.

Always wanted the Tea Party to be more about conservative values and influence our republican leaders. Not going to happen. I don't like the answer to correct this ship.....
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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2014, 04:53:33 PM »
Well, Saturday is the day. Do I vote for Mary (Louisiana Purchase) Landrieu or do I vote for the RINO David Cassidy?

Vote for the slow road to hell or the interstate to hell? I would abstain from voting, but I have way too much respect for the generations that sacrificed so much to give us that right.

I'm going to need mass quantities of alcohol.
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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2014, 07:30:23 PM »
There's been a great deal of talk lately about Øbozo's proposed EO and the appropriate pubbie response. The prevailing opinion (at least from what I've heard and read) is that the pubbies don't have the stones to block Øbozo's unconstitutional overreach.

The secondary opinion is what will be the rank and file reaction in that event. The brinksmanship is sorta interesting......from an increasingly distant and non-participatory point of view. I count myself among those who say that they will turn their backs on the whole shebang. I'm already so detached that I can't really work up too much indignation over it.

I hope my going Galt goes better than the movie.   ;)

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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2014, 07:33:06 PM »
Oh yea....

AlanS - Vote for the RINO. Deny Ms Piggie her parade lap. You're gonna get stung either way so the least you can do is give a little back on your way out ;')

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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2014, 09:59:36 PM »
Oh yea....

AlanS - Vote for the RINO. Deny Ms Piggie her parade lap. You're gonna get stung either way so the least you can do is give a little back on your way out ;')

Hear! Hear!

Yeah, it's the same old shyte of voting against rather than for, but in this case you get schadenfreude too.
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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2014, 06:43:34 AM »
I really wonder if Ted Cruz truly understands just who the Hell he is talking about when he says to the E-GOP leadership "Do what you said you would do"?  I mean Ted is a bright guy, surely he knows Boehner & Co are the biggest bunch of ankle-grabbing wusses on the planet this side of France, right?  He gives the Charlie Brown & Lucy with the football argument, but like the Einstein quote above, doing the same thing over and over again (like say asking these sugar-tits to man-up?) and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.  And it does not matter one damn bit if [people are against Obama's EO actions and have sizable numbers saying they are for denial of citizen status and are increasingly for the deportation of illegals, they won the election, they will bow to Imperial Decree despite what the rabble say, and once they take power they'll find new reasons to not do a damn thing, because in the end the E-GOP majority does not see themselves as an opposition party, but rather as a better party of managers of the Imperium.  Any y'all smelly little commoners better STFD and STFU, know your place!!!

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ETA - More futile screaming into a hurricane, if you go for that sort of thing....
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Re: The clueless leaders in Congress
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2014, 07:36:36 AM »
Speaker Boehner (AKA-The Great Weeping Carrot) is going all Nancy Pelosi on $1T spending bill, and you will recall the fate of the last Speaker to ram through something in the dark of night without reading it, let alone letting the people have time to read it...

 ;)

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Just fracking awesome leadership, eh?  Yeah, doesn't it feel swell being effed over by an E-GOPer rather than a DemonRat?  Huh?  What?  Feels worse?  Aww, lighten up and be reasonable, damnit!  Yeah, uhh huh...seems to me these clowns need a wake up call, delivered like a lead pipe along the skull!!!
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