Topic: American support for 2A rights surging, gun control waning

[Libertas]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/10/support-gun-rights-highest-point-two-decades/#!



Hilarious, predictable and ironic that a gun-grabbing Nazi clown is sought for advice and criticizes the wording of the poll!

[IronDioPriest]

Poll wording does matter though. Look at the remarkable shift in Black opinion. It makes me wonder, in light of recent agitation, if the Black view of protecting ones self from crime includes the ability to shoot the police, or kill random Whites for the "crime" of being White.

I'm only being slightly hyperbolic here. Something has to account for such a massive shift in a particular demographic. Crime doesn't mean the same thing to everybody.

[Glock32]

Poll wording does matter though. Look at the remarkable shift in Black opinion. It makes me wonder, in light of recent agitation, if the Black view of protecting ones self from crime includes the ability to shoot the police, or kill random Whites for the "crime" of being White.

I'm only being slightly hyperbolic here. Something has to account for such a massive shift in a particular demographic. Crime doesn't mean the same thing to everybody.

A caller to Rush the other day pointed this out, the whole nature of polling. He was part of the much bandied about poll that asked who was responsible for the government shutdown last year (the one in which the eGOP trembles in fear because most people "blamed" the Republicans). He answered that he thought Cruz and the Republicans were responsible for it. What was not part of the poll was what he elaborated on with Rush: he thought Cruz was responsible for it and he applauded it.

That poll was presented with the assumption that everyone who "blamed" the GOP was also against the shutdown. This caller pointed out that it was entirely possible to "blame" the GOP while also applauding them for it.

The only poll the damn E-GOP won't listen to are the ones that occur on Election Day.

[IronDioPriest]

Poll wording does matter though. Look at the remarkable shift in Black opinion. It makes me wonder, in light of recent agitation, if the Black view of protecting ones self from crime includes the ability to shoot the police, or kill random Whites for the "crime" of being White.

I'm only being slightly hyperbolic here. Something has to account for such a massive shift in a particular demographic. Crime doesn't mean the same thing to everybody.

A caller to Rush the other day pointed this out, the whole nature of polling. He was part of the much bandied about poll that asked who was responsible for the government shutdown last year (the one in which the eGOP trembles in fear because most people "blamed" the Republicans). He answered that he thought Cruz and the Republicans were responsible for it. What was not part of the poll was what he elaborated on with Rush: he thought Cruz was responsible for it and he applauded it.

That poll was presented with the assumption that everyone who "blamed" the GOP was also against the shutdown. This caller pointed out that it was entirely possible to "blame" the GOP while also applauding them for it.

The only poll the damn E-GOP won't listen to are the ones that occur on Election Day.

That exact comparison was in my mind as I was typing my initial response. Polls aren't just data. They are crafted. When it comes down to it, completely subjective. Words mean everything.

[richb]

The wording of polls lead me to quit being polled for a major newspaper.    They would have a "question" with answers,  and you would pick the one you  identified with.   The problem was,  I didn't  identify with ANY of the answers too many times and there was no,  "none of the above".   

Finally I told them to stop calling me with such biased questions (and answers).

But its classic liberal logic that everyone supports something when there is no other choice allowed.   They used these "questions" to support everything from gay marriage, gun control to abortion and every other liberal cause. 

[Libertas]

Y'all are correct of course.  Polls should be taken with grains fo salt or ignored entirely when engineered.  In this case there doesn't appear to be engineering up front or on the backside (sans more detail), but it certainly does rely on the definition of what one thinks the words "crime" and "protect" mean.  But when I first saw this I thought "assume the worst" throw out the black numbers and the democrats, what you have left should be most of the people who understand the words as well as we do, so the trend is positive.  Also, since 90% of blacks are on the Democrat Plantation, they have to be in the dem numbers too, right?  Just think how much worse the dem numbers are without the black numbers, regardless what is driving the black numbers...another good trend.

[warpmine]

Y'all are correct of course.  Polls should be taken with grains fo salt or ignored entirely when engineered.  In this case there doesn't appear to be engineering up front or on the backside (sans more detail), but it certainly does rely on the definition of what one thinks the words "crime" and "protect" mean.  But when I first saw this I thought "assume the worst" throw out the black numbers and the democrats, what you have left should be most of the people who understand the words as well as we do, so the trend is positive.  Also, since 90% of blacks are on the Democrat Plantation, they have to be in the dem numbers too, right?  Just think how much worse the dem numbers are without the black numbers, regardless what is driving the black numbers...another good trend.

"Grain of salt". And so should elections. If one thing that's highlighted in yesterday's spending bill vote is that elections mean nothing. My apology if I went off topic.

[Libertas]

Y'all are correct of course.  Polls should be taken with grains fo salt or ignored entirely when engineered.  In this case there doesn't appear to be engineering up front or on the backside (sans more detail), but it certainly does rely on the definition of what one thinks the words "crime" and "protect" mean.  But when I first saw this I thought "assume the worst" throw out the black numbers and the democrats, what you have left should be most of the people who understand the words as well as we do, so the trend is positive.  Also, since 90% of blacks are on the Democrat Plantation, they have to be in the dem numbers too, right?  Just think how much worse the dem numbers are without the black numbers, regardless what is driving the black numbers...another good trend.

"Grain of salt". And so should elections. If one thing that's highlighted in yesterday's spending bill vote is that elections mean nothing. My apology if I went off topic.

No apology necessary my friend, the E-GOP placed no importance on the result of the election beyond their relief that once again the better managers of the behemoth state will be in charge, they do not see anything else and are beholden only to their own kind...

That'll look nice on their epitaph!

Keep your powder dry.

[Glock32]

The only conclusion you can draw from the GOP behavior is that, ultimately, they simply don't disagree with the Democrats on a lot of these issues.  Yeah, they're craven cowards, unprincipled (which they invent euphemisms for, like "pragmatic," "realistic," "nuanced," or "Realpolitik") but cowardice can't explain everything.

I'm now beginning to believe that they might even be deliberately cultivating the image of cowards, just so their frustrated voters will attribute their treachery to being weak willed rather than the truth -- that they are in active agreement with the Democrats.

[Libertas]

I agree, but I do not see cowardice and treason as being mutually exclusive, they are in fact quite complimentary to each other.  Either one warrants them being hunted down...both should generate something more...

[ChrstnHsbndFthr]

Poll wording does matter though. Look at the remarkable shift in Black opinion. It makes me wonder, in light of recent agitation, if the Black view of protecting ones self from crime includes the ability to shoot the police, or kill random Whites for the "crime" of being White.

I'm only being slightly hyperbolic here. Something has to account for such a massive shift in a particular demographic. Crime doesn't mean the same thing to everybody.

A caller to Rush the other day pointed this out, the whole nature of polling. He was part of the much bandied about poll that asked who was responsible for the government shutdown last year (the one in which the eGOP trembles in fear because most people "blamed" the Republicans). He answered that he thought Cruz and the Republicans were responsible for it. What was not part of the poll was what he elaborated on with Rush: he thought Cruz was responsible for it and he applauded it.

That poll was presented with the assumption that everyone who "blamed" the GOP was also against the shutdown. This caller pointed out that it was entirely possible to "blame" the GOP while also applauding them for it.

The only poll the damn E-GOP won't listen to are the ones that occur on Election Day.

Heard that caller on Wednesday and agreed whole-heartedly.