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What Ryan is trying to convince House Republicans to do is vote for Trade Promotion Authority (TPA) which would fast-track at least three highly secretive trade deals—specifically the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP), the Trade in Services Agreement (TiSA), and the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (T-TIP)—and potentially more deals.

Right now, TiSA and T-TIP text are completely secretive and unavailable for even members of Congress to read while TPP text is available for members to review—although they need to go to a secret room inside the Capitol where only members of Congress and certain staffers high-level security clearances, who can only go when members are present, can read the bill.

I want to know, WHO decided this had to be done in secret.  WHO made the Congressweasels sign the agreement to keep it quiet?
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LOL.  Those are your "Representatives" everybody.
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Who?

Obviously it has to be the leadership!

Welcome to the Socialist States of America...

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It is ironic that the best hope of killing this latest abomination is coming from Democrats...

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/kevin-mccarthy-house-gop-trade-vote-119009.html

...of course that isn't stopping E-GOP morons from trying to push it through...

...the main thing for Dem's is holding the line for their prime campaign contributors - the extorted wages from union members.

Still, I think one way or another this crap gets through...if there is one constant in the universe it is Pubbies doing the wrong thing...
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I can't say how creeped out I am when I realize I agree with Nancy Pelosi on this.
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Yup.  But I've examined it up and down and all around, I am against  TPP/TAA bundled or unbundled.

The Dem's are opposing it for mostly the incorrect reasons...which helps cut down the eeew! factor a bit.
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House Vote Today (6/18) on the unbundled bill.

The outcome is almost immaterial, if passed and signed we're hosed, if shot down it will only be revised and/or implemented by decree anyway, and we're hosed...

Basically all Red/Blue can do anymore is hose us...

I long for the day when that is flipped around a full 180 degrees...
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Just read this via Twitter...

No wonder Obama won't let us read TPP
Phyllis Schlafly: Deal would separate us from Constitution and national sovereignty

On Friday, Congress disrupted President Obama’s plan for a sweeping transfer of U.S. sovereignty to an unaccountable group of foreign busybodies. Hurray for the stalwart Americans who resisted the demands of Obama, the Republican leadership and the big-donor claque – but Speaker Boehner plans to give Congress another chance this week to make this dangerous mistake.

The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) would turn over to globalists the power to issue regulations about U.S. trade, immigration, the environment, labor and commerce. It’s called a “living agreement,” which means the globalists can amend and change the text of the so-called agreement after it has gone into effect.

That reminds me of our supremacist judges who invented the term a ‘living” Constitution, which they can rewrite to comport with their own updated ideology. The globalists claim that this “living” document (TPP), now called Obamatrade, has all the powers of a treaty to commit the U.S. to new foreign obligations, although it certainly did not comply with any U.S. constitutional provisions for treaty ratification.

Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., has frankly warned about this giveaway of U.S. sovereignty. Not only would Congress give up its powers to negotiate and write the terms of a treaty, but Congress also gives up its power to debate and amend the deal, to apply a cloture vote in the Senate, and to require a two-thirds vote in the Senate.

The secrecy wrapped around TPP is appallingly un-American. Whatever happened to Obama’s promise of “transparency”? TPP was negotiated and agreed to by Obama’s trade representative and a bunch of foreigners in a secret room, and the American people are not allowed to know the details until after it’s a done deal.

TPP puts us in a new political and economic union before a single private citizen is told about it and with public opinion running five to one against it. Remember when Nancy Pelosi said we had to pass Obamacare in order to find out what is in it?

Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., warns, “TPP calls for the formation of a permanent political and economic union known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership Commission, which will have power to issue regulations impacting not only trade but immigration, the environment, labor and commerce.” He added, Congress “will have surrendered its legislative prerogatives. Before a word, line, paragraph, or page of this plan is made public, Congress will have even agreed to give up its treaty powers.”

Sen. Sessions made it even more emphatic, saying that fast track “authorizes the president to form a new transnational governance structure. … It confers the power to both compel and restrict changes to U.S. policy, to commit the U.S. to international obligations, and to cede sovereign authority to a foreign body.” This new global body could even add new member countries (such as China).

Attacked, debased, maligned and vilified: This foundational institution is fighting for its life. Order Phyllis Schlafly’s latest book, “Who Killed the American Family?” along with her updated classic, “A Choice, not an Echo”

Sessions continued: “Congress would be pre-clearing a political and economic union before a word of that arrangement has been made available to a single private citizen. This has the earmarks of a nascent European Union,” and Americans certainly don’t want to belong to a European union (that’s why we fought the American Revolution).

Rep. Hunter also warns that the new global governance institution would be “authorized to issue policies and regulations affecting our economy, our manufacturers, our workers, our immigration procedures, as well as current, labor and environmental practices.”

TPP is separating us from the U.S. Constitution and from national sovereignty and replacing both with a global governance superstructure. TPP has wrapped its audacious global governance plan in the mantle called “free trade,” which is a misnomer if there ever were one.

“Free trade” means Americans must obey a bunch of rules written by foreigners (which we can’t veto), but China can ignore those rules. TPP didn’t even touch the subject of currency manipulation against us by Asian countries.

While the American people are denied the right to read TPP, thanks to leaks from WikiLeaks we have learned that Obamatrade includes 10 pages to unilaterally alter our current U.S. immigration law. Sen. Sessions says TPP will give Obama a backdoor to increase immigration, and the same lobbyists who are pushing for Obamatrade are demanding open borders.

Republicans need a bold program to bring back jobs that have been lost to Asian countries. Michele Bachmann summed up a pro-American verdict on TPP: “I hate it. It would empower the president, cut out congressional influence and lead to American jobs leaving the U.S.”


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Just like Agenda 21 and all the rest of the ComIntern treasonous bullsplatter.

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Call Mitch, yes dial him up and call him a treasonous pile of steaming scat!

http://iotwreport.com/?p=290309

http://www.mcconnell.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=ContactForm

And this - http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2566818 - is total BS!  Every time we hear the "conservatives" are upset and "plotting revenge" nothing every happens...because there are more E-GOP assholes than real conservatives!
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See?

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/245827-senate-advances-fast-track-trade-bill-for-obama

Humped again.

And this BS from McConnell - “If we all keep working together and trusting each other, then by the end of the week the President will have TPA, TAA and AGOA and Preferences on his desk — with Customs in the process of heading his way too,”

Let me translate that for the peasantry...

“If we all keep working together and trusting each other, then by the end of the decade we will have ended America as she once was — to the point that it will never go back to those days of individualism and personal liberty, and we the Ruling Elite and our crony cohorts in the corporate sector will be masters of all and beholden to none.”

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It's a lot easier in the DemonRat party to exert compliance to leadership dictates, since 99.99% share the same Prog DNA...in the GOP it is a bit harder given what few true conservatives and tea party rebels have succeeded in infiltrating that nest of establishment vipers, but that doesn't mean the GOP leaders are shy about exacting revenge upon their foes using any means at their disposal.

What irks me to no end is why anybody is trying to pretend to play nice with any of these establishment assholes!  Everytime they try to oust Beohner they fall predictibly short because they lack the numbers the E-GOP can muster.  The answer is obvious, you want to play hardball or not?  If so, ya'll are going to have to vote with the Dem's, it's the only way to oust Boehner as Speaker...and there is no reason not to do it, after all if we're going to have a rubber stamp in the House for Obamunism it might as well be that succubus Pelosi, eh?

But no, there will be no hardball, just hard balling...   

Take that however you want, works both ways...
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I wish conservatives in his district would just take one for the team and vote for his Dem opponent.  It would at least force them to choose a new Speaker -- who would be no better, I know....
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Wow...who didn't see this coming?

Obama violates the new ObamaTrade law by telling Congress to eff off, will pursue trade agreements with nations that are boycotting Israel

I guess the effing Einstein's in the GOP leadership didn't see this coming...or they did and they didn't give a rats ass...either way America just got more fascist overnight, thanks to the GOP.
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Wow...who didn't see this coming?

Obama violates the new ObamaTrade law by telling Congress to eff off, will pursue trade agreements with nations that are boycotting Israel

I guess the effing Einstein's in the GOP leadership didn't see this coming...or they did and they didn't give a rats ass...either way America just got more fascist overnight, thanks to the GOP.
Thought the GOP be feckless, brainless and spineless, I still blame the Praetorian Guard for letting this piece of scat continually breath.
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Wow...who didn't see this coming?

Obama violates the new ObamaTrade law by telling Congress to eff off, will pursue trade agreements with nations that are boycotting Israel

I guess the effing Einstein's in the GOP leadership didn't see this coming...or they did and they didn't give a rats ass...either way America just got more fascist overnight, thanks to the GOP.
Thought the GOP be feckless, brainless and spineless, I still blame the Praetorian Guard for letting this piece of scat continually breath.

True and true enough...but there is more blame to go around than you can shake a stick at...

This is what a descent into Hell looks like...
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