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Is Conservative Civil Disobedience Valid?
« on: May 18, 2015, 08:30:40 AM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2015/05/06/the-case-for-conservative-civil-disobedience/?wprss=rss_books

As a whole, IMO, no, this is not a valid strategy.  This strategy makes several assumptions that I think are problematic at best:

1) Finding a benefactor to fund this "Madison Fund" scheme.  Good luck with that.  30 years ago I thought the so-called fat cats in the GOP should have bought out media outlets much like the progs have achieved whereby they dominate 90% of the offering...and still they act like they are getting screwed for not having all 100%.  That is a long wait for a train that will never come.  Fat cats want what fat cats always want...more.  And giving their money away to you is not making mroe for them.  Plus, even if this fund got off the ground who would run it?  Who would decide who is worthy or not of support?  Obviously one would have to apply for this funding first before going all disobedient.  IMO this is a huge pipe dream.

2) It assumes the system can be monkeyed with and subverted, to some goal, I don't know...restoration of national sanity or something?  A rollback of a century of progressive tumors imbedded into every facet of American life?  Y'all see how the E-GOP has behaved just the past quarter century?  Y'all tell me you actually see hope there and can look me in the eye and say that with a straight face?  Yeah, restoration, peaceful...that'll happen...sure.  And I still believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy too!

3) It seems to escape Mr Murray that the Supreme's have OK'd much of the progressive statist agenda even though he cites a couple of the Republics headstones littering our road to despotism...we are one moonbat away from eliminating all resistance to full-blown progressive-statist rubber-stamping...how is the civil disobedience going to work in that environment?

It seems to me this approach is OK if you want to go that direction, just realize there is no bag man to bail you out and it is likely you'll be an extreme minority who the state will find no difficulty in going after your ass.  IMO the handwritting is miles high and wide...the real disobedience to the statist will take a different form, and it will not be peaceful and it will not be easily conquered by state goons.
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Re: Is Conservative Civil Disobedience Valid?
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2015, 10:56:39 AM »
the real disobedience to the statist will take a different form, and it will not be peaceful and it will not be easily conquered by state goons.

I think there will be a certain amount of this. One could argue FIRE is already running such a fund for the specific purpose of reigning in liberals in academia.  But anytime you tried to organize something like this  the  Fed would just use the IRS, EPA etc to hamper your efforts - just like they did with true the vote - forcing you to expend time and money to defend your own efforts to organize much less helping others.  But over time this will just happen naturally- as it does in all third world nations..  Enforcement becomes a system of bribes for officials  not law. You grease the right palms and the regulators go away, because there is no longer money to pay the regulators or internal investigators with to keep them even vaguely honest.  The Government is widely seen as corrupt and largely meaningless in most people's lives, and most people are so poor they have no trouble staying off of the regulator's radar. After all, you can't get blood from a stone..

Over time you will simply have fewer and fewer people complying because they simply can't afford to comply and stay in business.  They still have to eat so they keep doing business and decide to deal with the regulators is and when they come to that bridge. Yes the Big Brother surveillance will make that more difficult, but in the end they have only so many resources, so even if you know who your problems are, that doesn't mean you have the manpower to go after them all.  Especially when, at some point,  those people are going to start shooting the feds when they try to come enforce their crap.  Certain States and counties will simply forbid the feds from operating in their territory and dare the Feds to use the military and kill women and children in a slaughter over the sale of raw milk or whatever-- all while that fed agencies graft and bribe taking will be well known and well documented. 

The libtards have destroyed the legitimacy of the government they want to use to impose their will, being dumb enough to think people will obey because "its the government" and because there is nothing in their personal lives they would die for ; they assume everyone else is the same way.  When push comes to shove ( and it will) most of these statists will not have the stomach for what they have started, and even the ones that do are fighting for nothing more than personal power and a place in the hierarchy. They won't die for it. Our willingness to do so will make all of the difference.

I think this will end in a whimper rather than a bang. If there is an Illuminati/NWO conspiracy and a concerted effort to subdue America, it will involve WMD and 90% kill rates... and I think they would have already done it..  Yes they are training US troops for Martial law-- but I suspect it is so Washington can retain control of specific smaller geographic areas during the economic and social unrest they must know is now inevitable.  They may try to build little fiefdoms-  The North-East maybe - or maybe simply try to build city-states by retaining control in cities as everything goes to hell. Most of these pols are probably just planning to get the hell out of dodge and retire to their retreat on some island somewhere, and a lot of the your libtard neighbors will do the same - causing a massive wave of (illegal)  immigration Mexico, Canada and certain libtard friendly locales (Costa Rica seems to be a favorite)  The left California when their policies made it a sh*t hole, and they will leave the country when there is no place left to ruin. . its just going to be long and drawn out and miserable. The US will balkanize and the libtards will reap what they have sown. Then forign powers will move in and will probably just trade with the new smaller governments.  Some conquest may occur, but they will have the same problem as the Fed.. too many people with guns.  Wholesale slaughter is the only thing they really can do with this country now if they really want to rule it.

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Re: Is Conservative Civil Disobedience Valid?
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2015, 11:20:05 AM »
Your first two paragraphs seem to imply a level of general indifference to government that at present is not properly acted upon by those to whom it should matter most (for whatever reason, for brevity lets skip over that) and the only people currenty actively ignoring the government on a more consistent basis happen to be the same people that are benefiting most from the welfare state...you know those people buring and looting.  So as long as that dysfunctional relationship thrives we just simply haven't arrived to the maturation point you describe, so any pioneering souls pushing back on their own in the near term from non-protected quarters will be singled out for special government attention.  The government may no longer be legitimate, but the tolerance of people to take so much while sitting down does not appear to be changing direction.  I hope your whimper theory pans out, but right now I am not betting on it.  IMO the leaders of the statist agenda are too entrenched, too evil and too stupid not to make a big mess of things.
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Re: Is Conservative Civil Disobedience Valid?
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2015, 12:08:12 PM »
Your first two paragraphs seem to imply a level of general indifference to government that at present is not properly acted upon by those to whom it should matter most (for whatever reason, for brevity lets skip over that) and the only people currenty actively ignoring the government on a more consistent basis happen to be the same people that are benefiting most from the welfare state...you know those people buring and looting.  So as long as that dysfunctional relationship thrives we just simply haven't arrived to the maturation point you describe, so any pioneering souls pushing back on their own in the near term from non-protected quarters will be singled out for special government attention.  The government may no longer be legitimate, but the tolerance of people to take so much while sitting down does not appear to be changing direction.  I hope your whimper theory pans out, but right now I am not betting on it.  IMO the leaders of the statist agenda are too entrenched, too evil and too stupid not to make a big mess of things.

The tipping point will occur when the financial rest finally occurs  (either suddenly or over the next 7-10 years however that goes) and the  entire middle class is effectively  wiped out.  Right now the government will prosecute (persecute) any middle class slave who gets out of line...and they are making that very clear. But they will have little to no power if the dollar is replaced as the reserve and at this point it looks like that is now just a matter of time.  I am just not seeing evidence that they are going for the big bang of gun confiscation and a full 1984 state.. maybe some exploratory in that direction, but they are obviously afraid to get it on - as the Bundy Ranch and the various refusals to actually enforce the unconstitutional gun laws now passed in several states. I suspect most of the pols will simply cut bait at some point and be gone. The few hard core true believers that remain will be short on cash and cronies. Its going to be a big mess- but probably one without and ultimate purpose planned by our masters..

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Re: Is Conservative Civil Disobedience Valid?
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2015, 12:21:57 PM »
Your first two paragraphs seem to imply a level of general indifference to government that at present is not properly acted upon by those to whom it should matter most (for whatever reason, for brevity lets skip over that) and the only people currenty actively ignoring the government on a more consistent basis happen to be the same people that are benefiting most from the welfare state...you know those people buring and looting.  So as long as that dysfunctional relationship thrives we just simply haven't arrived to the maturation point you describe, so any pioneering souls pushing back on their own in the near term from non-protected quarters will be singled out for special government attention.  The government may no longer be legitimate, but the tolerance of people to take so much while sitting down does not appear to be changing direction.  I hope your whimper theory pans out, but right now I am not betting on it.  IMO the leaders of the statist agenda are too entrenched, too evil and too stupid not to make a big mess of things.

The tipping point will occur when the financial rest finally occurs  (either suddenly or over the next 7-10 years however that goes) and the  entire middle class is effectively  wiped out.  Right now the government will prosecute (persecute) any middle class slave who gets out of line...and they are making that very clear. But they will have little to no power if the dollar is replaced as the reserve and at this point it looks like that is now just a matter of time.  I am just not seeing evidence that they are going for the big bang of gun confiscation and a full 1984 state.. maybe some exploratory in that direction, but they are obviously afraid to get it on - as the Bundy Ranch and the various refusals to actually enforce the unconstitutional gun laws now passed in several states. I suspect most of the pols will simply cut bait at some point and be gone. The few hard core true believers that remain will be short on cash and cronies. Its going to be a big mess- but probably one without and ultimate purpose planned by our masters..

Boy, if we had 7-10 years that would be great...frankly seeing another 7-10 weeks looks optimistic to me (economic-wise)...a big unzippering could happen any day...

But the crony BS has a habit of chugging along so who knows?

But I defintiely see a economic whammy before a political one.
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Re: Is Conservative Civil Disobedience Valid?
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2015, 04:11:50 PM »
Tipping point related.

Comments are good, too.
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Re: Is Conservative Civil Disobedience Valid?
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2015, 05:02:18 PM »
Also related...
latest Ann B interview..

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/askshow/2015/05/15/the-andrea-shea-king-show--ann-barnhardt

A lot of its the same, but she is also predicting  financial attacks on Americans before actual SWAT teams..
They will confiscate as much of your accounts as they can...

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Re: Is Conservative Civil Disobedience Valid?
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2015, 07:04:17 AM »
Tipping point related.

Comments are good, too.

I guess its the monastery, eh?

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Re: Is Conservative Civil Disobedience Valid?
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2015, 07:07:22 AM »
Also related...
latest Ann B interview..

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/askshow/2015/05/15/the-andrea-shea-king-show--ann-barnhardt

A lot of its the same, but she is also predicting  financial attacks on Americans before actual SWAT teams..
They will confiscate as much of your accounts as they can...

For many lead will chase after thieves if thieves get that bold, and they will when the desperation is unbearable for them and they can no longer resist their evil impulses...so by the time SWAT rolls it may be too late for them, they are forced to kill millions or the big rats pick up and run and leave the lesser to be torn apart for the angry hoard.
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.