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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #60 on: January 25, 2019, 11:12:24 AM »
Yeah...surprised they even posted that...I guess like most elites they figure they personally, like you say...will not be subject to that horror...just the 90% that don't count for squat.

An ER like that is hard to distinguish from a morgue...

Not surprised James is seizing the opportunity to shove it in faces...I can see the Goebbels Acolytes at Twitter banning him for daring to expose socialisms ills...and with pics via NYTs!!!

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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #61 on: January 28, 2019, 08:54:18 AM »
https://www.bloombergquint.com/politics/venezuelans-hand-message-of-amnesty-as-maduro-speaks-from-fort

Getting interesting now.  With a crimp on funds Maduro will be depleted quickly and then is Russia, China whoever going to provide what he needs to keep bribing the military?  The rank and file likely just getting crumbs are more numerous, this could erupt if it comes down to a numbers game.

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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #62 on: January 29, 2019, 09:38:19 AM »
It's up to 'merica to interfere in this election and make sure the right dictator is put into office.   Sanctions, community organizing the CIA way,  carrots, sticks......whatever interference 'merica can put into play in order to get the government they want.   No holds barred.

Question:  If socialism is the cause for Venezeula's demise,  how come Norway is doing so well?  They are socialist in pretty much the same way Venezuela used to be, before they spiraled down.

Also, if socialism is the cause for Venezeula's ills.....what will be the result of socialism in 'merica?

I wonder if anyone here knows the history of US intervention in Venezuela?  Does anyone here know about 'merica's decades long interventions in Latin America in general?   

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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #64 on: January 29, 2019, 10:14:03 AM »
Question:  If socialism is the cause for Venezeula's demise,  how come Norway is doing so well?  They are socialist in pretty much the same way Venezuela used to be, before they spiraled down.


  Yup the U.S. is responsible for Chavez and now Maduro.  What I can't figure out is how Maduro mishandled Socialism the way he did ? It should have been a slam dunk I mean it works so well everywhere else. 
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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #65 on: January 29, 2019, 10:27:57 AM »
  If socialism is the cause for Venezeula's demise,  how come Norway is doing so well? 

Is it the brown people?
no wait.. they have different color money and that made the difference!
No, wait, is it because Norway isn't a fully socialist country -  has been backing off its socialist policies for decades, has corporate  tax rates commensurate with that of the United States and its Government spending as a percentage of per-capita is on par with the US and has a  growing private sector with many startups - that is allowed to compete even with the state controlled  companies in the oil industry ?
Is it because the two nations have wildly different cultures and and customs and a huge differences in demographic  diversity?
 Is it because they use the same quasi-fascist model of outsourced socialism as the US which declines more slowly? ( http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2018/09/how-government-outsourced-socialism.html)  - part 2 is less on point, but still worth the time  .. https://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2018/09/how-government-outsourced-socialism_24.html


But other than that , an  apples to apples comparison to be sure.

But yes, Oil can pay for a lot of socialism. I do wonder how he f**ked that up.



Meanwhile

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-everything-support-maduro-venezuelan-government/29739552.html





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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #66 on: January 29, 2019, 11:15:09 AM »


Should just stop right there.

Oh, and to add to your other comments Norway has also benefited from over half a century of protection by American taxpayers via NATO while Venezuela has gotten nothing much from the Little Colonel in Russia and even less form Cuba.



All Leftists getting butthurt over this...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/409519-us-announces-sweeping-sanctions-against-venezuelan-president-nicolas-maduro/



...not just Bungtool Barry.

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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #67 on: January 29, 2019, 01:32:39 PM »
I bet none of you have ever met anyone from either Norway or Venezuela.   

Therefore, none of you have ever considered how other people view these things....people who don't just watch Fox News and read only right-wing commentators posing as conservatives.   People who live there, speak the language and remember what happened and when.

Socialism is indeed a scourge to all humanity....which is why it is being implemented into every aspect of 'merican life, from schools, to all things economic, healthcare, etc.   So, if you're going to blame other nations for being socialist idiots----which I agree with----you've got to blame your own country for the same reasons.

Now, granted, there are degrees of socialism....Canada isn't the same as Norway.  But Norway has a great deal in common with Venezuela!   

Sanctions against Venezuela are as much to blame for it's demise as the lack of 'merican sanctions on Norway is to "blame" for their success.    The standard of living in Venezuela is tragic....while the "other" socialist nation in question, Norway, has the highest standard of living in the world!    How can this be?

Meanwhile, this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTE0SQA2jU8 

'merica has taken all Venezuelan assets and "transfered" them to Guaido.  In addition, Bolton says the US will take Venezuela's oil!   

Ya'll can blame socialism all day long, but the fact is that 'merica has been sanctioning the demise of Venezuela since the day Chavez was elected.   Hypocrisy.

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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #68 on: January 29, 2019, 01:49:49 PM »

I think the US should butt out. We get all butt hurt when the Russians post on FB during the election then turn around and massively interfere in VZ politics. Maduro sucks. Maybe humanitarian aid is appropriate at some point.  Let the other countries in South America deal with him as they get the fallout from his bad govt.  Anyone in the US govt calling for 'regime change' should have their mouth washed out with soap.

Now with US sanctions Maduro will blame the US for his problems.  BTW Maduro fired the oil workers when they stood up to him years ago. Maduro hired his cronies to replace them and they did not know anything.

The US is sanctioning so many countries that they are developing work arounds.  The Chinese and Russian govts will come out ahead on this as they act in their own best interests.
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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #69 on: January 29, 2019, 01:59:45 PM »

A different view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3RUZmqVx_o

The Duran talks about VZ starting 26:00. Kinda long. An earlier longer video clip.
Geez. I don't like the commies in VZ but the US should butt out.
These guys are saying that South America is very touchy about the US interfering in national politics, due to history. They also say that the US recognized 'president' is not well known in VZ.
https://youtu.be/Fz2VT6X-A-g?t=1557
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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #70 on: January 29, 2019, 02:14:35 PM »
I bet none of you have ever met anyone from either Norway or Venezuela.   

I  was in Sales.  I have been most places. Norway in particular since I have extended family there. They , by the way, don't consider themselves socialist.
And then back to "standard of living"  - like that was a directly measurable quantity and not subjective at all. For me, owning a gun  so I can protect my own family is part of my standard of living.  Not being subject to insanely high taxation so I could have "free healthcare" and other such Free services , and can instead spend my money on the things I want would be another.  "Standard of Living" is a value  based proposition,  but let me guess, your definition thereof trumps all others, because shut up. And we are already well aware of America's socialist problem, but you knew that , because you have been told that numerous times. Why bring it up? How it is it relevant here? Just want us to say America isn't perfect and doesn't always act on the international stage for the best of all, and instead for its own perceived interests?  ? We already have said so.  What is foolish is  to think ithat Russia or China are siding with Maduro for any reason other then they feel it will further their own self interests, or that they wouldn't, if given the economic clout to do so, also use embargoes as weapons.  Nor is the US involvement in VZ entirely due to internal politics there, as Putin's involvement isn't either.

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"Sanctions against Venezuela are as much to blame for it's demise as the lack of 'merican sanctions on Norway is to "blame" for their success."

Citation needed.
  ( I crack myself up)
Just that fact that you are proposing a single mechanism (with no evidence at all to back up the assertion )for why Venezuela was a  disaster, while  refusing to account and control for the differences I have already pointed out  is proof enough that your view of the world is very one-sided,  childish, and simplistic ,  and demonstrates not only that you aren't  a serious thinker and that you have no wish to be one, but  that your only purpose here is to be an annoyance and a distraction  to people who are interested in serious discussions..  hey, you been over to Daily KOS yet? Those guys would just love you.

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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #71 on: January 29, 2019, 02:22:53 PM »

A brief history on US involvement in Latin America.
Whether they are right or wrong many people down their do not view the US as the good guys.  IMO Chile ended up doing well. Others not so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P9yaYMoUFA
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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #72 on: January 29, 2019, 02:45:40 PM »
Hey guys, when you're done playing with the rubber mouse, let me know.   ::evilbat::
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« Reply #73 on: January 29, 2019, 02:56:59 PM »

A brief history on US involvement in Latin America.
Whether they are right or wrong many people down their do not view the US as the good guys.  IMO Chile ended up doing well. Others not so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P9yaYMoUFA

According to Sanchez (notice, he's 'hispanic', he says) -- and the commenters (mostly "hispanic" I might add) -- the US, with an assist from Israel once in a while, is responsible for all the shiite that's gone on and is *still* going on all. over. the world.  Everywhere, it's the US's fault, amirite?

And, oddly enough, despite all that, people from those same countries all over the friggin world are killing themselves trying to get here illegally ... and stay "in the shadows".

So, America (that's for you DocTrock, take notice  ::saywhat:: ) is, unlike all other countries, a horrible, terrible entity, with no redeeming virtues.  At all.

Sick of hearing it, just so ya know.

eta:  And, just because I'm in a ranting mood, please be advised that the Federal US government is not the nation/country, is not the people, never was.  Whatever bad they've done elsewhere, they've done and are doing worse to us, right here at home, specifically White people.
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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #74 on: January 29, 2019, 03:26:49 PM »
My wise friend Weisshaupt...crackin' me up!

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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #75 on: January 29, 2019, 03:32:04 PM »

A brief history on US involvement in Latin America.
Whether they are right or wrong many people down their do not view the US as the good guys.  IMO Chile ended up doing well. Others not so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P9yaYMoUFA

According to Sanchez (notice, he's 'hispanic', he says) -- and the commenters (mostly "hispanic" I might add) -- the US, with an assist from Israel once in a while, is responsible for all the shiite that's gone on and is *still* going on all. over. the world.  Everywhere, it's the US's fault, amirite?

And, oddly enough, despite all that, people from those same countries all over the friggin world are killing themselves trying to get here illegally ... and stay "in the shadows".

So, America (that's for you DocTrock, take notice  ::saywhat:: ) is, unlike all other countries, a horrible, terrible entity, with no redeeming virtues.  At all.

Sick of hearing it, just so ya know.

eta:  And, just because I'm in a ranting mood, please be advised that the Federal US government is not the nation/country, is not the people, never was.  Whatever bad they've done elsewhere, they've done and are doing worse to us, right here at home, specifically White people.

Amen, sister! 

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Why these people flee here, I don't get it...much more suitable places for these...



...haters to go!

So, in short...all the Ameriphobes can and should without delay go eff themselves!

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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #76 on: January 29, 2019, 05:22:29 PM »

The question is whether the US should get involved in the internal politics of VZ.
IMO VZ is a sh*thole country with a commie screwed up govt. But I have never been there.  I say butt out. There are a lot of crappy countries with dictatorial govts. Why stop with VZ?

The US getting involved provokes a negative counter reaction down there.
It will cost us money, maybe blood, and they will likely hate us for it so why bother? They will blame us for everything bad from now on. Imagine if Obama had been installed by a foreign power. Imagine if other countries recognized Al Gore as the real US president and imposed sanctions.

I don't like the MSM manufacutring crisis after crisis that we are supposed to care about.
Last month we were supposed to care because the barbaric Saudis cut some guy into pieces. That is what they do. Their religion is barbaric. Their problem.  The US armed foreign jihadis in Syria and they turned the country into ruins.
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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #77 on: January 29, 2019, 07:33:33 PM »
Hey guys, when you're done playing with the rubber mouse, let me know.   ::evilbat::


  He's had days to answer a simple question and shows up on a new thread and puts out more bull.   


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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #78 on: January 29, 2019, 08:05:20 PM »

The question is whether the US should get involved in the internal politics of VZ.


Well, that is the age old problem.  In principle, yes, its none of our business. But the US is the big kid on the playground - so the others will pick fights and form alliances  to get that title. If they take it, they will ensure it can't be taken back.  We end up in proxy wars  either its because its a resource we are trying to control, or its a resource others are trying to control to our detriment.  International Politics is a law of the jungle game, not a law and order game.  Sitting where we are we can't even begin to see the field. Its like listening to the game going on behind a wooden fence and maybe taking turns at a knothole...

There is so much crap going on behind the scenes with black ops and manipulations by all parties, you simply can't know why something is being done. Imperfect information, executives briefed with what analysts THINK is important ..  So yes, in a perfect world, we put up big shields and say to hell with the rest- but we don't have shields like that yet

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Re: Venezuela goes deeper into the hyperinflation abyss
« Reply #79 on: January 29, 2019, 09:14:50 PM »

The question is whether the US should get involved in the internal politics of VZ.


Well, that is the age old problem.  In principle, yes, its none of our business. But the US is the big kid on the playground - so the others will pick fights and form alliances  to get that title. If they take it, they will ensure it can't be taken back.  We end up in proxy wars  either its because its a resource we are trying to control, or its a resource others are trying to control to our detriment.  International Politics is a law of the jungle game, not a law and order game.  Sitting where we are we can't even begin to see the field. Its like listening to the game going on behind a wooden fence and maybe taking turns at a knothole...

There is so much crap going on behind the scenes with black ops and manipulations by all parties, you simply can't know why something is being done. Imperfect information, executives briefed with what analysts THINK is important ..  So yes, in a perfect world, we put up big shields and say to hell with the rest- but we don't have shields like that yet

 And in doing that we turn our backs on people that are eating their pets to survive.  When we get involved were the bad guys when we don't get involved we don't care so damned if we do and damned if we don't.


   We can't even build a wall but we can control our part of the hemisphere so screw them and get that POS out of office and give the people a chance to make it and stay the hell home instead of trying to come here.
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