We, others...been kicking these ideas around a long time...
We've seen petitions, ballots, initiatives of every stripe come and go...mostly...sadly...just, go.
But with the current Neo-Keynesian economic model nearing implosion, the current political environment where one former opposition party adopted the shade of the longstanding progressive party...both of whom cede more and more authority to Imperial Dictate and the ever-increasing Praetorians in the bureaucracy...the preeminence of crony capitalism that fuels the dysfunctional socio-economic/political oligarchy and the corrupt and warped judicial system that rewards the oligarchy and helps enslave the once independent populace...the rise of thug-culture and ginned-up racial hatred in the minority communities and the forced influx of unassimilating dregs from around the globe into our communities...the now open warfare on Christianity and morals raging from coast to coast and the militarization of police and technological bugging of every soul in the nation...if you take all that into consideration and see how in any way this can continue without any kind of life-altering rupture...let me know, because I just do not see it.
Something is going to pop, it has to...either this "nation" becomes the largest totalitarian state the world has ever known...or something else happens.
Refusing to acknowledge the fact that we are headed for tyranny is not going to prevent tyranny or avert war and chaos.
It would seem sensible to arrive at a mutually agreed upon plan to avert tyranny or chaos. If a consensus action were agreed to this could be achieved quickly and peacefully. It would require either a return to Founding Principles that would roughly repeal everything that has transpired the past 150 years and working forward from there, or it would require a sober and equitable dissolution onto two or more new nation states.
Since there is one segment of society that refuses to see tyranny in anything their leaders foist but see it in anything that smells of traditional American values and Founding Principles...and because there is another party of lesser progressives who favor Big Government and cronyism that would also resist anything that would break up the whole...it would appear any hopes centered upon sense, reason, logic...intelligence...is DOA.
So, there only remains three possibilities:
1) Tyranny, and accepting it. I think I speak for more than myself when I say that will never happen, it will be fought and resisted with every fiber of my being and with every asset I possess and for as long as I am breathing and until I am victorious.
2) Seccession, which we've discussed
by us here and in more than one thread, and which
has been raised once again in Texas, remains an active topic. But this one is tricky, the first attempt at this 155 years ago was legally grounded in the principles espoused in The Declaration of Independence as well as the commonly held view at the time of the Founders that a "state" (as in Virginia, et al, not the "state" as a "nation") held preeminence and as such the Constitution came into effect only when nine of the thirteen colony states ratified the same. And once ratified these states did not cease to remain states, they were still held sovereign and were not in fact or contemplation ever to be considered subservient vassals the the new Federal government. Conditional upon adopting the Constitution was adopting the Bill of Rights, the first ten Amendments to the Constitution that specified in detail the rights of individuals in this new system, and equally important the 10th Amendment reiterated the then widely held understanding that the Constitution's articles were meant to secure the limits of Federal power with the respect to Executive, Legislative and Judicial authority so that Individual Rights (Amendments 1-9) and States Rights (Amendment 10) retained preeminence in the new system. With this Foundational view of our national charters it is obvious that a state appears to have the right to enter as well as to leave the Federal compact.
I also find it interesting that Article VII states "The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution
between the States so ratifying the Same." The Founders intended only to bind together those States that ratified the Constitution into the new Republic, they did not state if four refused they would absorb them against their will. This again to me reinforces the concept they had regarding (free) will. No force, expressed will, period. And the thing with will is it works "for" or "against", it cannot be one and not the other, or else it would not be "will"...it would not be "free". So, once again, if a States "will" change and force is out of the question, then unratifying your State from the Federal Constitution is clearly allowed.
OK, now cue the clowns. We all know because of the stain of slavery the rights of the Southern States to depart the union while legally proper and in accordance with Founding Principles and Founding Documents...it was shoved aside and contrary to Core Foundation Principles force was used to deny these States their right to depart and a bloody war was waged and the Northern "Union" States emerged victorious and the idea of sovereign States Rights was permanently and fatally destroyed, making all subsequent talks and efforts along secessionist lines akin to calling for High Treason, when it ought not be so...because the Founders never intended force to be used on the States in ANY form - physical police/military force, bureaucratic force, economic force, rogue judicial, executive or congressional force...none of that was to be allowed, it wasn't even contemplated and they thought the Constitution itself, The Declaration and The Bill of Rights all made that perfectly clear.
But in latter day corrupt diseased dying America were most of the vestiges that made us a great Republic have been dismantled, perverted, ignored or completely gutted over the last 150 years so trying to argue legalities and principles with a majority of the idiots alive today is about as pointless as anything can get. But, history and the Founders and their documents are with us, not those dumbasses, so I still see merit in the discussion and efforts to assert the right to depart this sorry-assed mess.
3) Dissoution. This is the most likely outcome, but I fear it will not be of the voluntary sort more of the it's just gonna happen sort. People talk about Constitutional Conventions, the risks of smashing vs altering the current mess, etc. But it is pretty obvious dissolution is coming and coming fast. All the variables in the introduction above are going to go kinetic one at a time or several/all at once...regardless, once the shat hits the fan...it's gonna be chaos like nobody has ever seen. Trying to keep all the participants and their goals and enemies identified is going to be a nightmare, it's going to resemble one of those bubble graphs where so many groups are going to share or not share so many allies and enemies that for any one group to survive is going to be nothing short of a miracle.
Anyway, I hope and pray Liberty-minded folks are the largest group. As we noted in our
17% thread here the American Revolution only had about 3% active participation in the field when we shed ourselves of British tyranny, the Civil War involved about 10% of the total population...I would think we in the Liberty Community are larger than that. Even still, dilution/distribution, regional differences in engagement/outcome...it isn't going to be easy surviving this kind of sh*tstorm. But, if there is time I would like to see Warp's
.30 message he expressed here embraced by all as a last "See Ya!" to all the assclowns!
That's my two bits...FWIW.