So, what are these "SAFE Act
violations", eh?
Following the rabbit trail...
The New York State Police have launched an investigation into alleged SAFE Act violations and appear to have possession or copies of 4473s showing who purchased firearms. Consider speaking with a lawyer if contacted.
http://nyfirearms.com/forums/firearms-news/100518-jackson-gun-ammo-deep.html
Update post from the guy whose pump action gun the New York State Police demanded to see to determine if they could charge someone with a safe act violation after they got all the 4473 of a closed gun shop and combed through them fishing for safe act violations
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_9/592371_I_fent___now_with_moar_NYSP__UnSAFE_ACT__and_4473_s_.html
So
1 state cops have 4473s or access to the info
2 upstate cops are demanding to even see pump action guns like the crossfire as they cluelessly troll for safe act arrests
3 was not an " add on" or "illegal gun"
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1815187_New_York_State_Police_have_launched_SAFE_Act_investigation_and_have_4473_that_they_are_using.htmlAn interesting post -
4473s are a loosely coupled distributed database with a 20 year retention period. Disaster recovery plan (disaster being FFL retirement or other exit from the business) is to ship the 4473s offsite to the ATF managed data repository.
ATF agents are bots with read only access.So, how/why did Fed forms get in the hands of NY State goons?
Another post from an apparent FFL holder -
Hmmmm how did they come to possess these 4473s. It would take a court order for me
to give up any of mine and I doubt local LE has any claim to them. The ATF can come and
ask for them but not LE. I'm suspicious of this story.Two things to note here. First, since when do Cuomo or Obama people need a court order for anything? They are crooks and nobody holds them accountable. The Feds have the Patriot Act and successor authorization as an excuse for any behavior, but a state or local outfit?Second, where are the people in NY and in DC (Congress) who should be looking into this? I know it a lot to ask for a even a Pubbie to get of their ass, but seriously...if you want to avert outright war maybe y'all outta look into something this serious!
I am suspicious of this story too, like why is a pump-action shotgun drawing any interest from any LEO outfit? Somebody connected to this, a whistleblower on the inside or a citizen being subjected to this scruitiny needs to step forward, now, before a serious f**kup is engaged in that can lead to BITS.
Obviously, in the meantime there is only so much free people can do right now. They can GTFO of such fascist states and they can resist fascist tactics. The easiest of the latter is to cache your stuff so it cannot be confiscated. A 4473 only shows you bought something...it doesn't mean you have possession of something. or just go full-frontal resistance. Heck, at some age/point, it makes sense to tell the to eff off and make 'em show their hand.
There is also some chatter this could be about a poorly run shop that either sold non-compliant firearms (again, eff the state, shouldn't butt in with their fascist rules no matter who endorsed them...Nazi's committing atrocities followed orders and the law too you know!) or just had poor recordkeeping, but who knows what is real or not until somebody connected speaks up so the rest of us know wtf is going on.
Anyway, between this 4473 fiasco, the mere existence of ATF records, county permits etc...it's all the kind of stuff that turns fiction into non-fiction nightmares.
Better knock off this fascist priveledge right damn quick or it really will spark a civil war!
Molan Labe!
