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Harry's Law ....
« on: February 21, 2011, 09:52:18 PM »
... is a show about Harriet Korn, aged lawyer, who quit her lucrative patent attorney job and ended up opening a private law practice in the inner city in a storefront whose previous owner just happened to leave behind a riches of designer-label shoes.  Note the "K" in Korn; Mz. Korn is Jewish.

Tonight's episode has Mz. Korn, Esq. mediating between two rival neighorhood gangs in her office.  In walks the first young, Black gang-banger who's first question is "who's the Jew?"

National TV program, okay?

Harry's first response is "excuse me!", but her bright, young, articulate, clean and former drug user Black law student hanger-on asides to Harry, "that's slang for lawyer".  Sooooo, Harry answers, "I'm the Jew."

Second young, Black opposing gang-member walks in the door and Harry does not wait for prompting; she introduces herself with "I'm the Jew".

I'm appalled and disgusted, but not surprised.  Anybody think anybody on this show would've gotten away with asking, "where's the niggah?"?

Dint think so.  Ya feel me?
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2011, 10:34:13 PM »

I feel you and I recoil from the use in the show.

However, the recoil is from preconcei

No, you are right. Jew as in lawyer is Jew as in "Jew him down" and that's racism. 



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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2011, 10:43:38 PM »

I feel you and I recoil from the use in the show.

However, the recoil is from preconcei

No, you are right. Jew as in lawyer is Jew as in "Jew him down" and that's racism. 

It's racist because it's one-sided.  I'd have taken no issue at all with her responding with "where's the niggah?" because - go straight to Archie Bunker.  Equal opportunity "offender", right?  Either be willing to "offend" everybody or just quit the selective knifing.  I have no idea if Kathy Bates is Jewish or not, but it wouldn't matter these days with Jews offering themselves up, again, as noble victims.  That's what's sickening to me; Jew-hatred permissible in a time when Blacks, Browns and muslims are gunning for all our heads.

Arrrggghhhh!!
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2011, 06:16:22 PM »
On Friday night, during dinner with our two close friends (our only friends here, actually), I was informed that this was no big deal; it was just demonstrating how "the Black community" sees things.  That came from him.

"I must be stupid; I just don't watch a TV show and see ...".  That came from her; I didn't hear the rest because I left the table to go outside and smoke a cigarette.  By that time, I'd shut up anyway (the debate was becoming .... vehement) because I had to ask her three times (while she refused to look at me) if she could see my point, even if she didn't agree.

These are people with whom we've discussed, so many times I've lost count, how entertainment and academia pollutes the culture by a constant and continuous dissemination of lies and propaganda, so one would think ...

Later, when I reiterated the previous statement, she told me she was "worried about me" because this is how I see things, that I'm soooo absorbed in this kind of stuff - politics and culture andandandand.

This is the first time I've ever felt I needed to just shut up around them about anything - in 7+ years - lest I create a permanent rift.  Something tells me it may not be the last and the whole thing is just disenheartening.
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Re: Harry's Law ....
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2011, 06:27:26 PM »
We are among a growing minority of people who pay as great deal of attention to events as we do. Many people just don't want to deal with the implications. They get up, go to work, deal with life, catch the headlines or a few minutes of Katie Couric, look forward to a few beers, watch some American Idol, and that's enough for them.

It can be frustrating as hell, especially when one of them whose opinions we value and who we think should know better thinks people like US are the ones missing the boat. They don't see their indifference as a weakness, they see our zeal as a cause for concern. I'll feel sorry for them, should events come to pass that leave them dismayed.
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2011, 06:38:53 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2011, 06:40:04 PM »
We are among a growing minority of people who pay as great deal of attention to events as we do. Many people just don't want to deal with the implications. They get up, go to work, deal with life, catch the headlines or a few minutes of Katie Couric, look forward to a few beers, watch some American Idol, and that's enough for them.

It can be frustrating as hell, especially when one of them whose opinions we value and who we think should know better thinks people like US are the ones missing the boat. They don't see their indifference as a weakness, they see our zeal as a cause for concern. I'll feel sorry for them, should events come to pass that leave them dismayed.

I thought I did know them better; we all talk about all this stuff all the time.  She and I taught ourselves to pressure can together; we all discuss preps; all rabid 2A supporters - exactly why I was left so dumbfounded that TV programs were to be exempted from dot-connecting.
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2011, 07:24:44 PM »
I get the same kind of crap from my Dad Pan. We'll discuss politics/culture occasionally at family gatherings, and at some point in the conversation my Dad will dismissively say something like, "So what you're saying is that it's just all a big conspiracy," even if the conversation has no conspiratorial overtones.

That tells me that he's heard every word I've said, and chooses to close himself off to the implications. Many people only wanna hear what they can process within their comfort zone. Once you're outside it, they shut down.

I hate to say it, but as infinitely tolerant as she is about my attention to politics and current events, Mrs. IDP has a comfort level where it can get to be too much. Her professional responsibilities are much more complicated and than mine, and the demands on her time are so much more invasive, that she only has so much time to actually "live life", if that makes sense. She'll actually do more than tolerate - she's with me on all this sh*t, and sees it like I do. But I can overload her, and she lets me know it when I do.
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2011, 07:33:17 PM »
Guess so.  Guess that's what we all are here for, doing the dot-connecting and situational-processing that sometimes can't be done otherwise and elsewhere with others.

It's damned discouraging, though, sometimes.
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2011, 08:36:10 PM »
I get the same kind of crap from my Dad Pan. We'll discuss politics/culture occasionally at family gatherings, and at some point in the conversation my Dad will dismissively say something like, "So what you're saying is that it's just all a big conspiracy," even if the conversation has no conspiratorial overtones.

That tells me that he's heard every word I've said, and chooses to close himself off to the implications. Many people only wanna hear what they can process within their comfort zone. Once you're outside it, they shut down.

I hate to say it, but as infinitely tolerant as she is about my attention to politics and current events, Mrs. IDP has a comfort level where it can get to be too much. Her professional responsibilities are much more complicated and than mine, and the demands on her time are so much more invasive, that she only has so much time to actually "live life", if that makes sense. She'll actually do more than tolerate - she's with me on all this sh*t, and sees it like I do. But I can overload her, and she lets me know it when I do.

  Is he just pushing your buttons to end the conversation?
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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2011, 08:51:23 PM »
I get the same kind of crap from my Dad Pan. We'll discuss politics/culture occasionally at family gatherings, and at some point in the conversation my Dad will dismissively say something like, "So what you're saying is that it's just all a big conspiracy," even if the conversation has no conspiratorial overtones.

That tells me that he's heard every word I've said, and chooses to close himself off to the implications. Many people only wanna hear what they can process within their comfort zone. Once you're outside it, they shut down.

I hate to say it, but as infinitely tolerant as she is about my attention to politics and current events, Mrs. IDP has a comfort level where it can get to be too much. Her professional responsibilities are much more complicated and than mine, and the demands on her time are so much more invasive, that she only has so much time to actually "live life", if that makes sense. She'll actually do more than tolerate - she's with me on all this sh*t, and sees it like I do. But I can overload her, and she lets me know it when I do.

  Is he just pushing your buttons to end the conversation?

Yup. It's a conversation-ender. He can wrap everything I'm saying up in a tidy little bow and dismiss it as the misguided rantings of a conspiratorial mind, and then he doesn't have to deal with the facts.

He did this prior to the election. My dad, a fairly conservative guy. Broadcast his intention to vote for Hopenchange. Thought it would bring the races together. I gave him a specific list of things to google, and begged him to educate himself beyond the Minneapolis Star Tribune, NPR, and the evening news. I talked Marxist mentors, and the Socialist New Party, and infanticide of abortion victims born alive.

It was all crazy conspiracy talk. Now he regrets his vote for Obama. But I still get labeled when I step outside his comfort zone. It's frustrating as hell.
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Re: Harry's Law ....
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2011, 08:59:50 PM »
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But I still get labeled when I step outside his comfort zone. It's frustrating as hell.

"Labeled".  Yup, that's what was done to me, the reclusive nut-job with nothing "uplifting" in her life; a cause for "worry".

That's what they do; they turn their inability or unwillingness to cope/connect certain dots on you, making it all about you.  Good Lord, I just realized that's what's being done here.

That may be what you want to say to your Dad next time he makes it about you, that's it's not about you, it's about his issues.

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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2011, 09:16:10 PM »

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Later, when I reiterated the previous statement, she told me she was "worried about me" because this is how I see things, that I'm soooo absorbed in this kind of stuff - politics and culture andandandand.

It's a form of sensory overload.  Each person has a capacity to deal with X amount, take them past that and as the pilots in Nam did they go deaf (become situationally unaware).  Or they may react in a manner to cause the overload to cease.  In this situation you are the teacher/parent and to be effective must act accordingly. 

It is regretful that more people do not see what the hell is going on but if that were so we would not be in the predicament we are in.









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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2011, 09:57:37 PM »

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Later, when I reiterated the previous statement, she told me she was "worried about me" because this is how I see things, that I'm soooo absorbed in this kind of stuff - politics and culture andandandand.

It's a form of sensory overload.  Each person has a capacity to deal with X amount, take them past that and as the pilots in Nam did they go deaf (become situationally unaware).  Or they may react in a manner to cause the overload to cease.  In this situation you are the teacher/parent and to be effective must act accordingly. 

It is regretful that more people do not see what the hell is going on but if that were so we would not be in the predicament we are in.










 I agree with what you're saying but to me it ignoring what they feel in their hearts is true. It's easier to pretend that it's everybody else and they're fine.

  I guess they're just afraid that were right and then what?
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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2011, 09:58:35 PM »
Have you seen the film Aliens? It's the second film in the series and the heroine has been rescued from an escape capsule adrift in space for nearly 60 years, previously having witnessed her entire ship's crew destroyed by an alien creature. Anyhow she is being debriefed by her employer in this quasi-governmental tribunal, peppered with questions about the loss of cargo, dollar values, etc, and finally loses it - shoving papers into their faces saying "I'm telling you those things are real, and if one of them gets down here all this, this bullsh*t that you think is so GD important...well you can just kiss all of that goodbye!"

That's what I always think of when I hear people continuing to place such emphasis on the banality of material living. Yes, we all have to work at some sort of gainful employment, but for God's sake just look around us. I have news for all the people content to make their 9-to-5 the center of their lives, content to replace the looming reality with pop culture pablum -- it matters not whether they're interested in these problems, because these problems are damn sure interested in them.

Economic collapse and the subsequent austerity may be a bitter blessing. In another thread in the Illegal Immigration sub-board, in the thread about the disappearing Anglos, IDP made a good point that our own cultural success has produced a decadent and self-indulgent population that seemingly no longer has the vigor to survive. Austerity may be the only cure for that condition. A lot of people will undoubtedly be caught up by the trailing edge of that wave, though.
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Later, when I reiterated the previous statement, she told me she was "worried about me" because this is how I see things, that I'm soooo absorbed in this kind of stuff - politics and culture andandandand.

It's a form of sensory overload.  Each person has a capacity to deal with X amount, take them past that and as the pilots in Nam did they go deaf (become situationally unaware).  Or they may react in a manner to cause the overload to cease.  In this situation you are the teacher/parent and to be effective must act accordingly. 

It is regretful that more people do not see what the hell is going on but if that were so we would not be in the predicament we are in.


 I agree with what you're saying but to me it ignoring what they feel in their hearts is true. It's easier to pretend that it's everybody else and they're fine.

  I guess they're just afraid that were right and then what?

Then they're just going to have to fcking man the fck up and not just in certain vectors that don't exceed system overload or intrude on their comfort zones, but all the f**k over, in all situations.

Yeah, now I'm good and g'damned mad, now that I realize the psy-ops play.  Little slow on the uptake I am, but, boyoboy, look the fck out once I get on target.
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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2011, 10:31:28 PM »

If you push them past their capacity or give them uptake faster than they can download, the results will be negative.  It is possible to modulate the feed in a manner or rate that they can assimilate it.

You have hit their drone spot and if you push it they will drone out.
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2011, 10:36:46 PM »
Dennis Prager often says, "I prefer clarity over agreement", meaning that when he doesn't see eye to eye with someone else, and the potential for agreement has been explored and discharged, the most important thing is not convincing the other person that he is right, but rather having a conversation the nature of which the argument is made clear. He says this in the context of his radio show, where there are listeners of whom he considers it his mission to educate - clarity of position being the best vehicle for education.

At the end if the day, all we can do is make ourselves as clear as possible, hoping for agreement, but settling for clarity when it's the best we'll get. If someone shuts that down (like my father), I've done what I can, and he makes it known that he doesn't like where the conversation's going. It may be a personality trait, a manipulative tactic, or a completely subconscious coping mechanism, I don't know. But regardless, at that point I have a decision to make. Is it more important for me to be right, or to be clear? I've already been clear, so being right would require me to take the conversation a step further into territory where he's dismissively signaled he doesn't want to go. I can have tough conversations with my dad, and I do. But at some point, for the sake of relationship, I need to decide whether I need for him to tell me I'm right.

That seems one-sided, and to a degree it is. Because he cuts off a line of open communication, I'm the one who has to decide whether to push it, and if I don't he gets the last word. But then again, I am the one who is trying to push him places he doesn't want to go, so it shouldn't surprise me when whatever self-protection mechanisms are at play are employed.

Sorry for the stream of consciousness. I don't know exactly where I was trying to go when I started.
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2011, 10:44:25 PM »
No problem with the S.o.C., however ..... I will NOT be put in a position, because of somebody's else's weakness, of being manipulated into wearing the "blame".

If ya can't or won't deal, own it, but don't put it on somebody else as their flaw.

That's a LIE of enormous and personal proportions and it's wrong.  It goes beyond refusing to validate perceptions, it's an attempt to manipulate out of weakness.  LIES - I won't abide them.
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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2011, 08:33:37 AM »
If it's any small comfort, IDP, I have the same conversations with my Dad. I'm not sure if he just doesn't grasp it, or if he's just hard headed.
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