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What is your line in the sand?
« on: December 30, 2015, 02:18:52 PM »
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Like many others, I can talk the talk.
But will anyone be willing to walk the walk?

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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2015, 03:06:21 PM »
After attending the same church for nearly 20 years, a change in pastoral leadership (a leader left & was replaced with a wimp), we moved on. Since then we have tried & left 3 other area churches (after about a year to a year & ½ in each).  The reason we left was: creeping political correctness & an unwillingness to regularly discuss how the Bible relates to the issues of the day (religious liberty, rampant perversion, purposeful economic downturn, manufactured racism) – David Barton/WallBuilders style. One church actually set up a meeting with the lead pastor who told me he’d like to see me leave if I couldn’t tone down the rhetoric…and we did (leave)!

We’re now at a very large church: evangelical & bible based (as were the others, supposedly). The 2nd in command pastor has said things from the pulpit such as “Islam isn’t a religion, it’s a cult” – the lead pastor is concerned about things – and mostly mentions “racism” along with terrorism & the economy when he does address issues. I don’t need cultural issues raised every week…but they do need to be discussed. When, in a private conversation, I asked the pastor about “manufactured racism”, he dismissed it by saying that he doesn’t “buy in” to conspiracy theories.

The point is this: the church is 2,000 members strong: I have buy in @ several levels as to using leadership tools to enable & equip the congregants to “each one, reach one” @ a grass roots level…so I keep mining for soldiers (in the men’s group, other outreach ministries & with the director of all church ministry with whom I’ve been meeting regularly). Several appreciate my aggressive/assertive style…& several do not: to the point of shunning me…but in a sea of 2,000, I know the numbers are still somewhat on my side. I refer to those who are on my side as “men”, the others as merely “males” – which pisses several people off…but it also plays into a larger theme, particularly with men, of those who “wallow” in their sin & temptation without having the guts to confront their behavior (alcohol, porn, lust, etc). I tell them that not truly knowing Jesus Christ (particularly the Jesus of Revelation) as a real, flesh & blood savior, is critical to their relationship with Him (as opposed to a conceptual only savior).

[EDIT] - Men must clean up their personal lives & distractions before they can be used of the Lord to combat larger issues -because the distractions keep them off-balance and, well...distracted. That's why I speak at breakfasts & campuses; a push in the right direction is sometimes all that's needed. My biggest challenge is knowing how hard to push & when (competing with these distractions, professional sports, television shows, etc). I often jest "Pablo, I'd love to help in your cultural battle...but at the moment, I'm planning my SuperBowl party...or Ski Chalet event, or...or..." - many care more about the Giants (the local football favorite) season, than the direction we're heading, culturally (although lip-service is often given to the latter...and pass me another Sam Adams Winter Lager!)

So, at the moment, I’m still building resistance & recruiting other leaders (those bold enough to address issues with others). The “line” for me will be when I am approached in public, or at my home, by officials looking to stifle me. It will come down to the conditions/circumstances at that point to determine the aggressiveness of my response (including, at the extreme end, bloodshed).
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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2015, 04:35:00 PM »
https://youtu.be/TbNIU2KEz4g

Like many others, I can talk the talk.
But will anyone be willing to walk the walk?

There is so much truth in the Declaration... "... all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed..."

I feel like the whole country is just waiting. The number of people who truly see what is happening grows every day, but everybody is just waiting... waiting... waiting...
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."

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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2015, 04:50:58 PM »
Can we all say apathy, because that is what this nation has become accustom to. 
Well h*ll we have our cell phones and ipods, TV and R rated movies to kept us occupied, why worry about 'little' things like freedom, somebody else can take care of that, I have a sporting event to go to.     ::exitstageleft::
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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2015, 08:38:08 PM »
https://youtu.be/TbNIU2KEz4g

Like many others, I can talk the talk.
But will anyone be willing to walk the walk?

There is so much truth in the Declaration... "... all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed..."

I feel like the whole country is just waiting. The number of people who truly see what is happening grows every day, but everybody is just waiting... waiting... waiting...
Agreed.
Haven't any idea why we're twiddling our thumbs as Liberty is sheered away from us. Need to organize with like minded people that are willing to commit. Our opposition likes to infiltrate our groups whenever they can so we must be diligent when inviting others to join or else. ::thinking::

I would much rather be in a hot war now then pussyfooting around wondering what's next. At least then the lines are defined we can know who's who. With all that our leviathan govt can throw at is, information through infiltration via abc agencies are to be feared. Our parents are at fault on this they allowed the govt to put together layers upon layers of police departments until finally it's almost to damn late. I wonder if we can even get it off the ground or will it all just fizzle.
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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2016, 07:27:28 PM »
It seems like line after line has been crossed...

 ::gaah::
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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2016, 08:11:35 PM »
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It seems like line after line has been crossed...[/

I try to keep in perspective that the first Revolution took a long time to happen.

But, Americans are much different now than then.

Dumbed down comfortable and dependent

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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2016, 08:52:23 AM »
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It seems like line after line has been crossed...[/

I try to keep in perspective that the first Revolution took a long time to happen.

But, Americans are much different now than then.

Dumbed down comfortable and dependent

Comfortable, only because the kabuki continues, dependent because they are comfortable...take those away...

But yeah, mostly it's the dumb as rocks thing...   ::unknowncomic::
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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2016, 09:04:28 AM »
Yet talking the talk puts you ahead of 95% in our low information society.  It can be effective if more do it, and they aren't scared of the labels or relatives/friends defriending you on Facebook, or some such silly thing.


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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2016, 10:14:38 AM »
Maybe Beck's Overton Window thing has something to it.

Government pushes over our lines in the sand and then pulls back some but not completely.
They now have a new starting point and people accept it but bitch.
Next time they take another couple inches and give back one and we bitch some more.

The analogy of boiling frogs seems to apply here and we're the frogs

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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2016, 11:39:32 AM »
My last line was when GHWB betrayed the Reagan Revolution...but people just bitched then too.  Ever since the betrayals just rolled in faster and harder...

Go to max flame...it probably doesn't matter either way.
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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2016, 11:42:23 AM »
Can we all say apathy, because that is what this nation has become accustom to. 
Well h*ll we have our cell phones and ipods, TV and R rated movies to kept us occupied, why worry about 'little' things like freedom, somebody else can take care of that, I have a sporting event to go to.     ::exitstageleft::

And THIS really pisses me off. I know people that can name EVERY playing in the NFL, but can't name ONE Supreme Court Justice!!! ::pullhair::
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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2016, 12:13:10 PM »
Can we all say apathy, because that is what this nation has become accustom to. 
Well h*ll we have our cell phones and ipods, TV and R rated movies to kept us occupied, why worry about 'little' things like freedom, somebody else can take care of that, I have a sporting event to go to.     ::exitstageleft::

And THIS really pisses me off. I know people that can name EVERY playing in the NFL, but can't name ONE Supreme Court Justice!!! ::pullhair::

It's worse than that.  They can probably tell you everyone who has ever been on Dancing With The Stars (I know none) and American Idle (I might know 2, and that is not my fault!) and not know who the VP or Speaker of the House or Majority/Minority Leaders are...or a single SCROTUS...and probably not one Cabinet Member.

And the only reason they know Obama is because he goes on all the prog talk shows on TV and has his ass kissed.

Bread and Circus I tell ya!
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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2016, 09:06:25 PM »
The case is rested.  If stupid could fly- these idiots would be a formation of jets ...
Just one old video example ---

https://youtu.be/I3ZLJj_q4xI?t=3

And it went on and on in many other videos - you don't even have to think about how Americans have systematically been dumbed down by watching these morons.  They probably have to refer to their drivers licenses to know their own name, and if it's signed with and X they are in real trouble.
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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2016, 03:25:22 AM »
I guess I crossed mine with Obamacare.   I am refusing to buy the mandated health insurance and I am also refusing to pay the fine as well.   2014 and 2015 I should be "exempt" (at least according to IRS rules,  but not supposedly the "healthcare marketplace" which denied an exemption)  due to my low income.    As far as I am concerned,  and how the "rules" are I am automatically exempt by not filing income taxes,  which I didn't do,  since my income was below the minimum requirement to file (10k for individual, 20k couple).  Yes,  I didn't even make 10 grand in 2015.

I got a letter in August telling me I can appeal the HCM denial,  and its begun,  but no info on how the process goes,  outside that they would call.   Sort of a shame,  I never gave them a number to call, since I have decided to not allow phone calls from them.   Haven't heard anything since.   So who know what the f*** is going on with it.   I am guessing they closed my file for the time being.    So far no bill with the fine from the IRS.   I will see how long I stay below their radar.

Hoping I can do a mostly cash business in 2016 so I can stay below the 10k reportable maximum.   I do not intend on paying any income taxes for the remainder of the obama regime.   Probably will be easy in the Obama economy,  as I won't have any income............

I am guessing that $3600 would be the bare bone cost for health insurance for me.  $3600 could be spent (if I had 3600 bucks) doing things far more important then health insurance.    But that is what happens the minute i have more then 10k in reportable income.   It would gobble up a third of the tiny amount,  killing the new business before it even begins.    No wonder this recession has no end.   Tiny businesses are basically banned.

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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2016, 07:30:54 AM »
The destruction all has the same aim - making every living soul a ward of the state, period.  That is the impetus behind everything they do.  They cannot realize their Orwellian Utopia unless every last vestige of independence and self-sufficiency is rendered inert.

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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2016, 07:48:50 AM »
IMO, there is no line to be drawn for quite many people. There is only a deepening of the shadow of tyranny, the darkness of which they have under which they have subjected themselves to living through the apathy of fear and a useless endeavor to maintain some semblance of a status quo. Even in the face of ever growing grievances, and abuses. Sadly, even among those of us fully aware of the machinations of this corrupt, overreaching, freedom and liberty destroying government, it is much the same.

As for me, if we are to burn, let us all burn together. And may the brightness of the flames from that fire long be remembered by those who would call themselves the enemy of freedom, and strike fear into them, as it well should. For, as long as there is breath in my body, I will not abandon the hope for liberty, and will do whatever I am capable of doing to ensure that liberty, freedom, and the rights given to me by God Almighty are never to be pushed from this bastion of hope we call the United States of America.

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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2016, 07:56:00 AM »
Now crossing the line, as in my attitude towards America and Americans (as opposed to going Full Bundy which I'd never do), after the re-election.  That's when I knew it was lost.  That I had no common connection with a majority of Americans, any longer.  Obamacare telling me I couldn't snowbird, which I originally intended to do, and telling me I could only spend 35 days per year in the country, sealed the deal.

A blessing, actually, as I crunched the math and figured I could go Galt at 52.

http://rent.591.com.tw/rent-detail-3862185.html

That's how cheap you can live, overseas, in a nice place.  A nest egg can go far when renting a nice place only costs (in that case) $550 per month.  We'll be living there (rent + expenses + travel) for less than what Obamacare alone would cost, here.

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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2016, 08:15:19 AM »
Hmmm...your linky no work for me.

What is their firearm policy there?  I would think they would be Swiss-like, given the mainland wants to reabsorb them at some point.

Anyway, for those of us not going anywhere...if this isn't your last line, I don't know what is...

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=13593.msg151346;topicseen#msg151346
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Re: What is your line in the sand?
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2016, 09:29:45 AM »
Hmmm.  Works for me.  I used Chrome with the ability to translate.

I know they have some guns, as there are a few murders, but frankly, you wouldn't need them as it's one of the safest countries in the world.