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http://www.startribune.com/aftermath-of-officer-involved-shooting-captured-on-phone-video/385789251/

In typical sh*t style the RedStar is characterizing this as a "driving while black" event when it is not.  It looks like two mistakes were made here, first never ever tell a cop anything...you do not have to say you are carrying and permitted to do so unless asked...and a trigger-happy cop pulling a trigger when one apparently didn't need to be pulled. 

But we'll have to see what evidence comes out...for now the police will through a blanket over everything and the exploiters in the race-baiting industry will go apesh*t...but to me the concern is why a permit holder was shot when they had no gun in their hand and no apparent hostile moves were made.  And by all accounts this guy has a clean record and gainful employment.

Appears like another rogue LEO gunned down an innocent man...outside his jurisdiction and absent a legitimate pursuit cause.

Sadly, the racial crap will get all the attention by presstitutes nation-wide...
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Last week I was on my commute home. The street I was on splits, adding an additional lane. I held to the existing (right) lane and was in it for about 50 yards when I came upon a cop who had raced up to the edge of the street, intending to enter the lane I was occupying. I braked for him but he stayed put.

After I passed he pulled out behind me and followed me for two blocks before hitting his lights. I pulled off onto a side street (no shoulder) and waited fir him - two hands on the wheel. He informed me that he was recording the stop and asked if I knew why he had stopped me.

"I haven't a clue" I responded.
"You failed to signal a lane change and almost hit my vehicle" he said.
"I didn't signal because I didn't change lanes" I replied.
"Yes you did. No you didn't" "You changed lanes where the new lane starts. Do you realize that if you had hit me you would have been a fault?"
"Oh, and you have a brake light out - that's another charge".

He took my paperwork and went back to his cruiser. About 20 minutes later he returned and said, "You didn't sign your registration. The law requires you to sign your registration. Why didn't you sign your registration?"
I didn't reply.
"Are you OK? I see your hands shaking"
"I have a medical condition that causes my hands and legs to shake" I replied.

I peered at me for half a minute and then said, "I'm letting you go. You need to drive more carefully"

It was a fishing expedition. He was looking for things to fault me for so that he could push my buttons. I was prepared for a ticket and expected to fight it out in court - not the side of the road.

People are too casual in their dealings with the fascists. They get uppity or rude with a cop and they can easily get dead.  It isn't a terribly difficult lesson to learn but it's a mofo if you get it wrong.


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Sounds like a similar encounter I had...oh, must be 25 years or so ago now...it was summer, I had my head out of the window looking back at this idiot who almost ran into me and I was screaming at him before he could walk even to me...I asked him what right he has to pull me over when he jumped my lane and almost ran into me!

Guess I get shot doing that crap now, which IMO is totally messed up.  These a-holes assume you are guilty until proven innocent and they don't GAFF if you're innocent or not.  And they must teach shoot first, worry later...as long as they return home safe is all that matters now, the rest can get lost in the courts and if need be they can relocate to a new dept and carry on.

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And get a load of this...

After years of kowtowing to this crowd and exploiting them for political purposes and pandering to them when opportune...in their greatest hour of need from a progressive politician...

Gov. Mark "Pills" Dayton (Democrat) had to be "evacuated by police" from the governors mansion!

Yeah, what a brave soul, what a stalwart of the little guy, a big heart for the minority community...slinks away under armed guard...

Perfect.
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From what little has been revealed and discussed, it sounds like the guy identified himself as a permit holder carrying a weapon, and proceeded to reach for what his girlfriend is saying was his wallet/permit, and the officer told him not to reach and to keep his hands visible, but the guy did not comply.

Still, too little info to make a judgment call. Pumping 4 bullets into a guy at point blank range for reaching for something seems a little eager/skittish to me. On the other hand, when you're dealing with the cops and they tell you to keep your hands visible, you're a fool not to do it.
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Sure.  But when did we get to the point that a permit holder announcing he was a permit holder is treated like a cop-killing gang-banger?  I mean if this guy wanted to kill a cop he would have had his gun in his hand ready to fire as soon as the cop got close to the window, but that didn't happen.  I'm not saying everything this guy did was smart, but we are giving the cop way too much latitude if they can be this hair-trigger with a permit holder...if the roles were somewhat reversed we would be talking about intent of the shooter...why are we not talking about the intent of the shooter in this case?  To me this cop had an intent to approach and fire...you don't quickly pump 4 rounds into a guy without seeing a weapon without some intent being in play.  Either that or we just make the assumption whenever a cop pulls you over his intent is always going to draw and fire several rounds into you no matter what you do or say and no matter how legal or smart or illegal or stupid you are...in which case you might just as well blow them away before they can blow you away.  Has it come to that?
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I have to throw my 2 cents in here. There is a lot we are not seeing here. If the cop had the intent to shoot the guy and get away with it he would have to have sot both of them. Seeing the video you can tell that the cop is freak out. He saw something that we did not. In the same instance we have a girlfriend recording the event right after the incident happened. she is as calm as a golf announcer. Why is that? Everyone raise their had if you would be calm as a cucumber if your loved one was shot right next to you. The sound alone would be deafening.

People are even in an uproar that the woman was handcuffed. Of course she would be. That is what you do. You hand cuff them if they are a participant in something like that. Hell she could have picked up the gun and shot at the cop.

If this was such a cover up by the cops then why did they allow here to have the phone and keep recording. If this whole thing is supposedly true as stated by the woman then these are the dumbest cops in the world. And if they are that dumb, they are too stupid to have made it through law enforcement training.

In my opinion, the man grabbed his gun and was moving it in a fashion that the cop thought was going to endanger his life. Is there part of the recording that I missed. I didn't see anything that was recorded before he was shot. It almost appears the the deceased wanted to get shot.

Now I'll move into conspiracy theory. Acting so weirdly that the cop found it necessary to draw his weapon adn shoot, did something happen to victim that he wanted to get shot and become a martyr. Was he dying and wanted to leave this world with a huge display. Was he part of the BLM and wanted to draw attention to their cause by becoming a martyr. This is just too weird to just jump to a conclusion that the cop wanted to just kill some black guy.

When I first heard this story I thought maybe the cop became overly nervous about a carry permit holder and accidentally pulled the trigger. This kind of went out the window when I found out that the victim was shot 4 times. Kinda hard to accidentally shoot someone four time, if it is true.
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The racial crap is definitely throwing crap in the air...it is a total distraction, I don't care if the guy was 14 different colors or opaque...and maybe this clown wanted to get popped and be a martyr, still, it can't be done without a willing participant...when did cops start getting training on dealing with suicide-by-cop situations?  Decades ago.  Did they drop that training?

Plus, since the police have been through their unions and through their lapdop relationship with demonrats, community agitators and the like they've drifted further from us, the good (formerly!) law-abiding people.

This clown may not be a saint and may have an agenda...but I am not so willing anymore to give any cop any benefit of the doubt, they pissed that goodwill away a long time ago...and never bothered trying to repair it.  They made their bed, if their pals helped set it on fire, tough...enjoy the heat.

So, show me proof this guy had a gun in his hand...show me that proof and I won't call this an execution.  Burden is on the cop, and so far I see no evidence of that.  If there was the department would waste zero time getting that out.  When the clamp down on information is triggered it is always going to be one direction, if anything even appears unfavorable it will never see the light of day before hand and possibly never.  If there is clear evidence supporting a cops actions it flies out at the speed of light.

In Portland a BLM asshole actually pulled a gun and was just arrested, not pumped with 4 rounds......WTF?  Somebody isn't trained right somewhere!

ETA - Gov "Pills" Dayton - sides with race-centric BLM over cops...

http://www.weaselzippers.us/281930-minnesota-governor-on-philando-castile-officer-wouldnt-have-fired-if-passenger-was-white/

...I'd say I'm sorry for the cops, but...they kiss this ass, too bad for them it rewards them by throwing them under the bus and calls them a bunch of murderous racist bastards.

Yeah, that's a shame...
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This clown may not be a saint and may have an agenda...but I am not so willing anymore to give any cop any benefit of the doubt, they pissed that goodwill away a long time ago...and never bothered trying to repair it.  They made their bed, if their pals helped set it on fire, tough...enjoy the heat.


Pretty much where I'm at too.  Did they think they'd be able to continue no-knock raids at the wrong address, killing people's pets, tossing flashbangs into baby cribs, with impunity?

There's a gulf between us and them, and the "Us and Them" thing is something they cultivated.  Somewhere along the way the concept of public servant transformed into this pseudo-knighthood bestowed upon the King's Men.  I'm honestly surprised something like this didn't happen years ago.

I'll make a prediction too: their response to this is only going to make the problem even worse.  We might even see that brand of conservatives who fetishize "law & order" coming out in favor of new gun restrictions.  And I know this may be grim and in poor taste, but I think we also just saw an answer to the whole "what can private citizens do with just a rifle?" line that gets trotted out.
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This clown may not be a saint and may have an agenda...but I am not so willing anymore to give any cop any benefit of the doubt, they pissed that goodwill away a long time ago...and never bothered trying to repair it.  They made their bed, if their pals helped set it on fire, tough...enjoy the heat.


Pretty much where I'm at too.  Did they think they'd be able to continue no-knock raids at the wrong address, killing people's pets, tossing flashbangs into baby cribs, with impunity?

There's a gulf between us and them, and the "Us and Them" thing is something they cultivated.  Somewhere along the way the concept of public servant transformed into this pseudo-knighthood bestowed upon the King's Men.  I'm honestly surprised something like this didn't happen years ago.

I'll make a prediction too: their response to this is only going to make the problem even worse.  We might even see that brand of conservatives who fetishize "law & order" coming out in favor of new gun restrictions.  And I know this may be grim and in poor taste, but I think we also just saw an answer to the whole "what can private citizens do with just a rifle?" line that gets trotted out.

Oh guaranteed this will get worse.  The police will close ranks and tell everyone to shut up, anybody criticizing them on legitimate grounds will be thrown into the same pile as the rampaging murderous racist scum in the BLM crowd who is offing (mostly) white cops.  The will never fault their active obedience to pc/diversity/multi-culti dogma a contributing factor to their own demise.  They'll put the screws to their masters in the DemonRat party to gin up more anti-gun measures and ram through more expanded police powers...and those gutless cowards in the E-GOP will go for most of it so they can polish their "law-and-order" bona fides in everyones faces this election cycle.

The cheerful dash into more tyranny has just begun.

ETA - See?

http://www.weaselzippers.us/282083-obama-powerful-guns-made-dallas-ambush-more-deadly-and-tragic/

Get whatever "powerful" guns you can get your hands on now...otherwise you'll have to pick them up off the fallen...

ETA - I have no idea if this is the same guy or not...who knows, maybe he was wanting to ambush a cop...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/the-curious-case-of-philando-castile-falcon-heights-mn-police-shooting/#more-118450

How the Hell do you go from respected nice guy school worker permit holder to a gang banger in the space of 48 hours?  Well, I could see school libiots not knowing a worker is a nice guy during the day and a criminal at night...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3679935/Shooting-Mr-Phil-shocks-Minnesota-school-colleagues.html

At least I feel better a permit holder wasn't gunned down in cold blood...slaying a banger I can live with...it's what the cops should be doing.

See what all that ill-will garnered over decades engendered?  I will probably blame the cops first, again sometime...so nobody be surprised.
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They could have just as easily used a lever action 30-30 deer rifle.  It's been confirmed now that the dead shooter was ex-Army.  In that video where he advances on and kills the cop at point blank range it's pretty clear that this was someone with some prior training in maneuver tactics.

They can pass whatever damn gun laws tickle their fancy.  Nobody on TeamFreedom need acknowledge them in the slightest.  For one, it violates the natural God-given right to self-defense.  For two, the legitimacy of all law has been officially destroyed by the Clinton non-prosecution.

The government has auto-delegitimized.  All it has now is naked force.  It will use it, to be sure, but doing so will hasten its demise.
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At least the Dallas slayer being black means whitey doesn't get the blame there...explains why O'Dongo & the rest of the Progs are bad mouthing guns again...I guess if it wasn't for bad guns this Obamaboy wouldn't have went slaying, huh?  Is that what these buttheads expect people to believe...the evil gun made him do it?

Fracking brain-dead a-holes.

Just more exploiting to beat more Prog tyranny down reluctant throats!

Here's Obama's be-all-you-can-be posterboy -

http://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FCm2g5gUWgAAcgvO.jpg&key=n7QtmS34wr9XvThk6W1EPg&w=600&h=590

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Starting to appear this is looking like an orchestrated national campaign, which means a conspiracy. And also Obama can do is side with the killers, and it's a proven fact a lot of Soros money goes to BLM agitators.
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The racial crap is definitely throwing crap in the air...it is a total distraction, I don't care if the guy was 14 different colors or opaque...and maybe this clown wanted to get popped and be a martyr, still, it can't be done without a willing participant...when did cops start getting training on dealing with suicide-by-cop situations?  Decades ago.  Did they drop that training?

Plus, since the police have been through their unions and through their lapdop relationship with demonrats, community agitators and the like they've drifted further from us, the good (formerly!) law-abiding people.

This clown may not be a saint and may have an agenda...but I am not so willing anymore to give any cop any benefit of the doubt, they pissed that goodwill away a long time ago...and never bothered trying to repair it.  They made their bed, if their pals helped set it on fire, tough...enjoy the heat.

So, show me proof this guy had a gun in his hand...show me that proof and I won't call this an execution.  Burden is on the cop, and so far I see no evidence of that.  If there was the department would waste zero time getting that out.  When the clamp down on information is triggered it is always going to be one direction, if anything even appears unfavorable it will never see the light of day before hand and possibly never.  If there is clear evidence supporting a cops actions it flies out at the speed of light.

In Portland a BLM asshole actually pulled a gun and was just arrested, not pumped with 4 rounds......WTF?  Somebody isn't trained right somewhere!

ETA - Gov "Pills" Dayton - sides with race-centric BLM over cops...

http://www.weaselzippers.us/281930-minnesota-governor-on-philando-castile-officer-wouldnt-have-fired-if-passenger-was-white/

...I'd say I'm sorry for the cops, but...they kiss this ass, too bad for them it rewards them by throwing them under the bus and calls them a bunch of murderous racist bastards.

Yeah, that's a shame...
I have to disagree with you on some of the points. I can only speak of the many cops I know. I know over 100 of them and they are normal people when you meet them. They live and act like the neighbors they have. I would say that a large majority of the cops I know are very pro constitution and second amendment. Now it appears that they are being lumped together. Sometimes they appear to be assh0les when they are on duty. Being stern works better, especially in serious situations, works better for people to comply.  Seems we only hear about the bad things they do. They do a ton of great things, unfortunately we don't hear about them.
 
When it comes to union crap many don't agree with the politics that is done by the upper union reps. I'm not talking about lower union reps; I'm talking way up in the food chain. When it comes to most chiefs of police and commissioners, they are totally liberal and are appointed by a liberal mayor. There are many things police can't do because of the higher ups. I know plenty of them had to hold back what they felt they should do when it comes to these BLM protestors. Many would not have stood for the crap BLM pulled in Minneapolis this past year, but they were ordered to allow these thugs to do whatever they pleased.

Actually there are many who would like to vote their union out (Teamsters), but they can't because the union higher ups won't allow it. Many of these union higher ups aren't even cops.
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I also have to note that there are Jerk cops out there, like anywhere else, and they have a god complex. Doesn't mean they feel like they can get away with whatever they want.
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Beg pardon, but yes, they do.  I had a Lt. in the local Sheriff's department, during a discussion about him renewing my carry permit, that if I, a 62 years old diminutive female, felt unsafe in certain areas without carrying, I shouldn't be going there.

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Beg pardon, but yes, they do.  I had a Lt. in the local Sheriff's department, during a discussion about him renewing my carry permit, that if I, a 62 years old diminutive female, felt unsafe in certain areas without carrying, I shouldn't be going there.

f**k that.  And him.

I get dinged a lot about living in such a liberal state but this is one area where they mostly got it right.

Years ago I wanted to get a CCW. I went to the courthouse only to find out that the county I lived in was "may issue" and I was expected to provide a convincing reason why I should be allowed to carry concealed (or carry at all!). Having a douchebag town like Seattle in the middle of a county will do that).

Screw that!

The county to the southeast of me was "shall issue" so I established a footprint there and then registered my CCW in that county. I've had it for about 25 years now and renewals are painless - no requirement to justify my 2nd amendment rights.


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It's starting to come out now that - get this - the dude who was shot in Minneapolis wasn't upstanding; wasn't pulled over for a "taillight", but rather as an armed robbery suspect; didn't have a CC permit; possibly had a gun in the car and was reaching for it; and has a social media footprint filled with BLM bullsh*t and violence.

Of course, this too could be fabricated by people with agendas. But we're in a cycle of being drawn into these controversies and commenting on them without knowing a single f**king goddamn thing about the truth.

I'm sick of it.
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