White people are already being hunted, harassed and discriminated against. So, what's your move?
To continue prepping for the things I can't avoid, and getting ready to give aid to insurrectionists, and what little force I can provide to the initiative while defending the borders of mine and my neighbor's property. If race war against conservative Americans who happen to be Hispanics is going to happen, then my community is already lost.
It doesn't matter, because it has already been decided for us. Every other group of people already thinks and acts tribal. When they perceive themselves threatened as in a post-collapse world, their tribal identity will only intensify. It's like what happens inside prisons. I'm prepared to accept the reality of this arrangement. It must be why there are different tribes in the first place.
I agree. This is exactly why I think ex-pats are going to be in trouble post SHTF. -
Perhaps we need a few definitions, because I think words like "Tribe", "Ethnicity", "Race","Creed" and "Culture" are being used almost interchangeably. They are related, but they aren't the same.
Tribes are groups of people in a mono-culture usually related by blood ( but not always) and those organizations are communistic and cohesion depends on personal knowledge of others and whom you can depend on.
Ethnicity - identification of a cultural tradition "inherent" in an individual based on genealogy.
A Person of South African Heritage
Race - Merriam Webster actually has this : "a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics" as a possible definition along with "a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock" -- but basically I think for the purposes of this discussion, I think it can be summed up by sorting humans into a category via a particular set of visual cues.
A member of the Black Race.
Culture - A collection of rules, values, traditions, rituals and beliefs shared and practiced by a group of people.
Creed - essentially the rules, values and beliefs of a culture ( which may imply rituals and traditions)
The Pictures, while meant to be humorous, also point out that Race and Ethnicity are - of their nature - subjective.
What is Obama's ethnicity?
Did you think "Black"? But his Mom was white. Can you choose his ethnicity by looking at him? Or can he choose it for himself? Do we decide after seeing how he acts - and which set of cultural norms he adheres to? Can "Leftist A-hole" be considered an Ethnicity or a culture?
Hitler Used Race BECAUSE its ambiguous. He could arrest anyone he wanted, accuse them of Jewish Blood and Bingo! Now he is an enemy of the State. Even if he was blond and blue eyed.
I was for a long time prepared to believe in the creedal nation, but look what has resulted from it.
This seems to imply you think a nation based on Creed will not work. The Catholic Church was basically the default Government of Europe for Centuries, able to muster an army from kingdoms and City-states all over the continent - sure they were "white" - but they were not of the same ethnicity- they had different cultures and traditions, and had only the Creed of the Catholic church in common.. . . Likewise early Islamic Caliphates covered huge areas, integrated many different tribal customs, but Islam was the creed that bound them together ( at sword point of course) The Jews considered themselves a Nation without a country for much of their history - in much the same way as we refer to Indian Tribes as nations. And the
Jews are multi racial - its passed through the mother.
Every variety of non-white has been organized and made militant against the hated white man. It will always be so. Trying to make it work is so much pissing in the wind.
Even within in a tribe they fought over who would lead, and there were intrigues and betrayals- particularity if the tribe became large enough - say 200-300 members when personal knowledge of everyone in the tribe was no longer possible - those groups would splinter. They may make alliances etc, but they were no longer a single tribe. .
China was conquered how many times, but how many different tribes and clans? Do you think there is such a thing as a
genetically pure "Chinese" but do we doubt that the China is a nation or Stable as a culture? Are they pissing in the wind and have been for millennia?
It will always be true that group differences will be arbitrarily seized upon and exploited to sow dissent and carve out an area of power within any human sociological structure - If its not skin color, it will be eye color, or hair color, or cheekbone structure, or ass size, or tattoos.
But its not a given that every culture will succumb to such attacks. China remained culturally Chinese, no matter who conquered them. The real question is how they managed to do it. The point is that Multi-race and multi-ethnic societies have been formed and have lasted for years -and I think that happens when the Creed is loose and local areas are left alone to practice what sub-cultures they wish. Is the centralization of power and vast treasuries to be looted that provide the incentives for one-size fits all legislation and the payments of tributes to subcultures out of the public funds. The White Man - having formed the systems and culture that allowed him to become prosperous and successful makes him the target for looting by all of the creeds, clans, cultures and tribes who are less successful.
“Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.
This is known as "bad luck.”
? Robert A. Heinlein
Our skin color is just the excuse. Its not the cause.
It's been the virtual inverse of that since 1965 and now instead of an American nation we have dozens of nations that happen to exist on the land mass called the USA. Frankly, it's fanciful to expect to meld them all into a single national identity based on veneration of the Founding Fathers. That ship long since sailed.
It failed because we allowed people of a different and conflicting creed to settle and prosper here, and then allowed power to become more and more centralized. No, I understand that these others will not join our creed. They aren't Americans in anything but a geographic sense.
Islam is such a creed, but not at the moment the most threatening one-- that would be the creed of the Left-- because they have created a system - like that of the Catholic Church in the Dark ages - where you can be ethnic, as long as you don't commit heresy. Commit Heresy and you are an Uncle Tom, an inauthentic Gay, not a real woman, not a good White Ally and so forth. You can be whatever you want to be - even the opposite sex - as long as you are liberal and support the liberal herd agenda. The left tied and enforced ethnic identity in such a way that it entails being a Good liberal. The Right FAILED to do this when the new immigrants - and we allowed the non -immigrants to be recruited into other creeds and tribes. Its not that such an organization is impossible, its that our principles made it repugnant to us to force our principles upon others living next to us. That is the flaw. One the Left doesn't share.
We are not under attack from blacks, we are under attack from Statists who happen to identify as black. The Blacks are just the paid by EBT shock troops on the front lines.
We will either destroy them or they destroy us and then themselves -through the same divisions and creed they have promoted .
The Founder's Republic is dead and not coming back. That admission has now, for me, called into question the purpose of conservatism. What's the point anymore? Another site put it well: "Conservatism couldn't even conserve the women's bathroom" American Conservatism...50 years of failure. I'm more interested now in figuring out how to establish a human seed vault so that civilization might germinate again some day.
Yes. The Republic is Dead. Does that mean Christian Morality changes? Because that is still where the principles of the former United States originated. The GOP betrayed us, they didn't defend the woman's bathroom, because like Benedict Arnold they were planning all along to to surrender it to the enemy. Conservatives failed to demand real leadership, and failed to fight well in the culture wars, but that doesn't mean the ideas behind them were wrong. It means that they allowed their own civility ( and laziness ) to hamper their ability to protect themselves and their creed. Its like when the Liberals were going on about Bush breaking the Geneva Convention rules wen we weren't even fighting a Nation that had signed them. Hell - they did not even wear uniforms- but the left demanded we treat them as if they had. . The left was very successful following Alkinski's dictate to make us live up to our own rules. And we let them. Our principles didn't fail- we turned the other cheek too many times. Way past Seven times Seventy.
And yes in the coming conflict we are going to have to rely on tribe - a group of people we know and trust, with whom we will knowingly share our effort and resources, wit confidence that others in the group will do the same. If you live in an area where you can select members that are all white, or all with blue eyes, or all with red hair, or all with stars upon thars, and still successfully survive and create that seedbank, then more power to you. ( but then I do wonder what seeds you are trying to preserve) In my area, if it becomes a race war DESPITE the fact we share a common creed, we will be wiped out by each other and the Statist forces will do everything they can to exacerbate that conflict. . They would love it if my little rural conservative town tore itself apart over our skin color, and they could just come in, mop up and seize the farmland.
I think Weisshaupt is looking for something pristine...but it's like looking really hard to find that one little flower growing out of a gigantic mound of crap...there's going to be weeds...I don't know what he thinks the right answer is and we can have him address that if he can but to me and I am guessing to you and Glock and others it probably doesn't matter.
The right answer for me is and always will be individual freedom and individual merit. Yes, its a natural and instinctual human tendency to bond with others over superficial physical characteristics. Its also a natural and instinctual human tendency to kill "the other". Heck its a natural and instinctual human tendency to break all 10 Commandments and behave little better than an Animal in the wild. Civilization is largely about suppressing and harnessing those tendencies- first for a greater chance of survival and then for a greater chance of prosperity and happiness. If the goal is to preserve Civilization, you aren't doing it by going back to primitive definitions of the other based on physical characteristics. Its easy. It will work. It feels right. So does sleeping with your neighbors wife if you have no moral compass.
is going to release megatons of suppressed angst...and there will be excesses, how can there not be?
Of of the hardest things to do is a war is not loose what you are fighting for ( civilization) in a wholly uncivilized environment ( war)
But I have noticed if you don't aim at a target, or don't ever hit the mark. You probably won't even come close.
I think the time for somebody to tap into that energy, translate it into any kind of movement with a means to reverse course before it is too late and restore the Republic to its Founding Principles and Founding Heritage has passed.
You can't restore the republic. Its gone. We can start a new one someday, possibly. The truths are self-evident. Even if we are all wiped out, they can be rediscovered, and at some point a fertile ground will present itself -- if just via chance or human error in a police state. It would be better, however, if what we have learned and the tale of our failure be part of the seeds we preserve so the future can learn from it, as the founders attempted to learn from failures in Greece, Rome and elsewhere. I am not yet willing to call it quits on these ideas.
Part of what we are fighting here is the fact that the only people have a use for Liberty are that segment of the population who need it because they think for themselves. At least 1/3 and possibly 2/3s of the human race are simply happy to follow orders, live in a tribal group and feel like the belong. "Baaa. Baaaa. I am a Sheep! That's Awesome. I am a sheep too! Baaa" The tribe keeps them safe. As long as they do as others do, they sink or swim together, and they are fine with that. They read the Declaration of Independence and they DO NOT UNDERSTAND why anyone would risk their life to fight the government. For liberty? The Kardashians are on, and my house is warm, an I have a dinner in the oven. What is your problem? Cavemen don't want liberty- they want comfort. Liberty is a esoteric civilized concept based on individuals.. and cavemen identity- as far as they are aware of having one-- is completely tribal. And I think this is where Pan and Glock's understanding of te situation come from.. that because 2/3 of the human race is this dull sort of animal, and you can't beat em - you can't get them to understand your creed because they are incapable of doing so, so you give up and join them on the basis of something they CAN understand.
America probably only came about because a mass migration to a new land gave those with the need for freedom from the herd a way to find it. The Sheep had no interest in colonization - its hard, and you need to think for yourself to survive because you are encountering new challenges and new problems that the Herd rules won't necessarily get you through. But once colonized, and prosperity reigns, the comfort seeking cavemen show up in droves. But the freedom seekers - that small minority Heinlein talks about - are the ones who ave always pushed forward and tried new things - they need the freedom to do so -- and as a survival trait every herd of humans has that "nutjob" who won't conform who suddenly discovers this Fire thingy, invents a tool, or eventually invents a Constitutional Republic. Those people are your tribe. You aren't like those "other humans" ( And I bet every one of you has used that phrase at least in your minds)
We are living in the largest conglomeration of Free-Thinking humans ever assembled on this planet - descended by an even larger population of free thinkers who fled Europe and other places - I think that is the seedbank that we need to preserve though this, and it doesn't come in a certain color, a certain ethnicity, and not all of them have stars upon thars. But You meet them individually , and you know though, don't you? And that is the point - your tribe - - contains people you know and trust. You select them based on Merit - on the skills they bring, on what they can contribute to the group. Or one can pick them by color or some other characteristic , and hope the two are correlated well enough for that to work.