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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #80 on: February 16, 2019, 09:35:04 AM »
  I don't think he has any intension of honoring the bill. Emergency powers I believe supersede the bill.

Yes and no.

Trump can't fight everyone (both dhimmis and pubbies are lined up against him) so he's fighting the battles he can win and postponing the rest until he better situated.
There is not now and never has been any guarantee that he would win. Indeed, the odds have always been mightily stacked against him. But the remarkable thing is that he stands undeterred. And he keeps on coming on.

The prevailing winds are blowing against him but those winds are dangerous and destructive. What he is doing is right - and for the right reasons. They resonate with the American people even in the face of unrelenting leftist propaganda.

Trump will take the deal - flawed as it is, and combine it with his EO to build more wall. The dhimmis will protest and scream and stomp their feet - all while the wall is built.

Meanwhile, enjoy the show...

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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #81 on: February 16, 2019, 11:18:29 AM »
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." - Mark Twain

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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #82 on: February 16, 2019, 01:22:05 PM »
The Founders gave the President the ability to use the emergency powers for a reason, in over to over-ride Congress when they fail to act!

Trump is keeping his promise to Us and to Them!

The Founders didn't give the president the National Emergencies Act.  It was passed in 1976:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act

Oh there is no doubt this is setting bad precedent. Or more accurately  piling on bad precedent on Obama's many  bad precedents.
Can't say I am upset however.  He is using the emergency powers  to perform a function the Government is not doing  and Constitutionally as an obligation to do. And America and her government died years ago. There is no reciprocal civility or willingness to follow the rules on the part of Democrats - so we either cheat like they do or loose to their dirty pool.

Contrast with Pelosi's threat to use emergency action to implement gun control in direct contradiction to the Constitutions explicit prohibition on such measures.
Oh, and that will also start a war...

I really don't think it's precedent setting in the least.  It's been done many times in the past,  even the reallocation of funds thing.
I wouldn't put too much stock in anything Pelosi says.   At this point,   she's talking scared (scared that Trump may actually "git 'r' done").

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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #83 on: February 16, 2019, 01:33:37 PM »
Heard last night that this is his 4th one. Anyone know what the first three were?

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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #84 on: February 16, 2019, 02:48:26 PM »
Dec 20, 2017: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption imposed sanctions on the Myanmar general for his role persecuting Rohingya Muslims.

Sept 12, 2018: The National Emergency With Respect to Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election attempted to prevent any meddling with the 2018 midterm elections amid the ongoing investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

Nov 27, 2018: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Nicaragua was declared by President Trump in response to violence and the Ortega regime’s “systematic dismantling and undermining of democratic institutions and the rule of law” that constitutes an “unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-31-national-emergencies-effect-years/story?id=60294693
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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #85 on: February 17, 2019, 01:40:41 PM »
The Founders gave the President the ability to use the emergency powers for a reason, in over to over-ride Congress when they fail to act!

Trump is keeping his promise to Us and to Them!

The Founders didn't give the president the National Emergencies Act.  It was passed in 1976:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act

Oh there is no doubt this is setting bad precedent. Or more accurately  piling on bad precedent on Obama's many  bad precedents.
Can't say I am upset however.  He is using the emergency powers  to perform a function the Government is not doing  and Constitutionally as an obligation to do. And America and her government died years ago. There is no reciprocal civility or willingness to follow the rules on the part of Democrats - so we either cheat like they do or loose to their dirty pool.

Contrast with Pelosi's threat to use emergency action to implement gun control in direct contradiction to the Constitutions explicit prohibition on such measures.
Oh, and that will also start a war...

Trump didn't start the precedent, he inherited it.  This is the way the playing field is now.

As when Rome began to get overextended militarily and experienced strains on their economy that only new conquest and new tributes could hope to abate for a time...as they lost the morality of their (albeit pagan but still principled) founders...as the influx of foreign cultures began to overwhelm the existing order...they entered their whimsical Emperor phase...and now we are too.  Where the leader is moral there is justice in their actions, where they are immoral their is injustice passed off as moral.  Where was the morality in what Obama, Pelsoi, Reid and Roberts in the Obamacare dictate?  Where was the morality in trading known hostile Islamic terrorists for a traitor?  Where was the morality in giving (still to this day undocumented) taxpayer funds to the Iranians and letting them keep their nuclear weapons processing?  Where is the morality in extorting taxpayer wealth to fund infanticide and failed institutions like NATA and the UN?

At least what Trump is doing is moral, saving lives and protecting our people.  People from other lands don't like where they live?  Tough, overthrow your corrupt socialist paradise or apply legally to enter through the front door like a person of character, otherwise you can STFD and STFU!

Eff Pelosi, eff cheap labor Pubbies and Hollywood idiots and crony-capitalists wanting maids and nannies!
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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #86 on: February 17, 2019, 01:43:40 PM »
  I don't think he has any intension of honoring the bill. Emergency powers I believe supersede the bill.

Yes and no.

Trump can't fight everyone (both dhimmis and pubbies are lined up against him) so he's fighting the battles he can win and postponing the rest until he better situated.
There is not now and never has been any guarantee that he would win. Indeed, the odds have always been mightily stacked against him. But the remarkable thing is that he stands undeterred. And he keeps on coming on.

The prevailing winds are blowing against him but those winds are dangerous and destructive. What he is doing is right - and for the right reasons. They resonate with the American people even in the face of unrelenting leftist propaganda.

Trump will take the deal - flawed as it is, and combine it with his EO to build more wall. The dhimmis will protest and scream and stomp their feet - all while the wall is built.

Meanwhile, enjoy the show...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_KrwNVxx9g

I prefer the solid variety, but take advantage of what you can do and what you have.  At least with those see-thru types there is the option to get off a good shot or launch something sharp and pointy.

 :D
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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #87 on: February 17, 2019, 01:53:58 PM »
They not only don't want the wall built, now they're talking about tearing down the existing wall ......

https://hotair.com/archives/2019/02/15/former-border-super-hawk-kirsten-gillibrand-sure-support-tearing-border-fencing/

https://hotair.com/archives/2019/02/15/beto-orourke-yes-tear-border-fence-near-el-paso/

They're UNsane.    ::laserkill::

Just like the 2A fight...try to take it...see what happens.   ;)
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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #88 on: February 17, 2019, 03:20:43 PM »
First moonbat challenge thrown out.

https://www.weaselzippers.us/411214-judge-dismisses-wall-lawsuit-brought-by-butterfly-conservationists-who-vow-to-keep-fighting/

Next?!

ETA - Here is the next batch of bozo's...

http://news.trust.org/item/20190219004631-0tj8i

Should be a quick and easy "no standing, GTFO!" affair.

Otherwise, it's Katie bar the door...all those existing 'Bamy ones etc all be fair game.

Oh, the perps?  The usual socialist infected areas -

Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Virginia, and Michigan joined California in the lawsuit.

While we're at it, let's target these states Obama-style for special treatment!   ;)
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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #89 on: February 19, 2019, 08:11:32 AM »
  I don't think he has any intension of honoring the bill. Emergency powers I believe supersede the bill.

Oh he'll take the 1-point-whatever billion from that, and then he'll use EP's to get all the rest. Hopefully pulling those dollars away from other things will hurt the government so the dems will be forced to give more outright in order to stop it.

  They won't give him anything he'll have to beat it out of them and fight all the way. They have nothing to run on in 2020 so the fight is it.  He can run on he's fighting for us.

I'm thinking that by stripping money from the DOD it would be like a backdoor - shutdown and the dems will get blamed so they'll have to give in.

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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #90 on: February 19, 2019, 08:14:19 AM »
The Founders gave the President the ability to use the emergency powers for a reason, in over to over-ride Congress when they fail to act!

Trump is keeping his promise to Us and to Them!

The Founders didn't give the president the National Emergencies Act.  It was passed in 1976:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act

So the POTUS never had an emergency come up until 1976???  ???

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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #91 on: February 19, 2019, 08:40:18 AM »
The Founders gave the President the ability to use the emergency powers for a reason, in over to over-ride Congress when they fail to act!

Trump is keeping his promise to Us and to Them!

The Founders didn't give the president the National Emergencies Act.  It was passed in 1976:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act

So the POTUS never had an emergency come up until 1976???  ???

The Founders could not envision every possible situation the nation and its leaders may face, "emergency" powers while not an express power of the Executive is an implied power since it is logical that if any branch of power is positioned to react quicker to any emergency it would be the Executive.  The 1976 NEA merely codified things and gave Congress a feels-goods participation trophy, since they either need a super-majority vote to override a declaration or hope to have a President dumb enough to sign legislation doing so of less than a super-majority.

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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #92 on: February 19, 2019, 09:39:49 AM »
The Founders gave the President the ability to use the emergency powers for a reason, in over to over-ride Congress when they fail to act!

Trump is keeping his promise to Us and to Them!

The Founders didn't give the president the National Emergencies Act.  It was passed in 1976:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act

So the POTUS never had an emergency come up until 1976???  ???

The Founders could not envision every possible situation the nation and its leaders may face, "emergency" powers while not an express power of the Executive is an implied power since it is logical that if any branch of power is positioned to react quicker to any emergency it would be the Executive.  The 1976 NEA merely codified things and gave Congress a feels-goods participation trophy, since they either need a super-majority vote to override a declaration or hope to have a President dumb enough to sign legislation doing so of less than a super-majority.

Exactly! and if you think about back in the olden days, they didn't have radio and television or fast transportation. Congress would be out of session for 4-5 months at a time with legislators back in their districts! What did POTUS do, wait for them to come back to Washington, D.C. in order to vote???  ::rolllaughing::

The founders wisely gave the executive branch the power to act! And that's all that President Trump is doing, enforcing the law and FIXING THIS EMERGENCY!

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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #93 on: February 24, 2019, 11:36:14 AM »
I think I like this Acting DoD Secretary Patrick Shanahan.  As a Washington state native maybe 'Soup knows a little more, his bio says he is an engineer, a graduate of UW and former regent of same and has two graduate degrees from MIT-MS in Engineering and MBA.  Was a longtime Boeing guy and was never in government until appointed DepSecDef in 2017.  At Boeing had a reputation in the aviation biz as a "fix it" guy and it may be this git-r-done attitude and lack of government careerist baggage I am impressed with.

To the story at had -

Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan said Saturday after visiting the U.S.-Mexico border that the government needs a broader, more effective approach to border control. He suggested the Pentagon might contribute with its expertise in surveillance and monitoring.

“How do we get out of treating the symptoms and get at the root of the issue,” Shanahan said in an interview while flying back to Washington.

Considering how the military could reinforce efforts to block drug smuggling and other illegal activity comes as the Pentagon weighs diverting billions of dollars for President Donald Trump’s border wall.

Shanahan said he was not volunteering the Pentagon to take over any part of border control, which is the responsibility of the Department of Homeland Security. But he said his visit led him to question whether there should be a “wholesale redesign” of the way border control is done by the federal government.

Shanahan said the Pentagon is willing to continue supporting the DHS but wants to see a longer-term solution.

“I don’t want to just add resources and not fix the problem,” he said.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/feb/24/patrick-shanahan-acting-defense-secretary-floats-w/

Good Lord is such clear-thinking desperately needed!  I wouldn't mind seeing him keep the job permanently, but if not they definitely need to keep this guy on the team!
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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #94 on: February 24, 2019, 03:41:27 PM »
Nope - don't know the guy - but he can't be any worse than his predecessors.

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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #95 on: February 24, 2019, 08:35:07 PM »
(Come on, you should know me by now! If is isn't about shiny old cars, slutty young women, or loud rock n roll i'm oblivious!)

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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #96 on: February 25, 2019, 06:53:46 AM »
Nope - don't know the guy - but he can't be any worse than his predecessors.

(Come on, you should know me by now! If is isn't about shiny old cars, slutty young women, or loud rock n roll i'm oblivious!)

I do know you...but I asked anyway.   ;D
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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #97 on: February 27, 2019, 08:27:35 AM »
Looks like the E-GOP clowns beholden to open borders and cheap labor and who are pathologically incapable of being principled in anything but cowardice are folding in the face of the ridiculous demofascist attempt to undo the Trump Emergency Declaration on the wall.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/26/senate-republicans-trump-national-emergency-border-1189065

They should be shamed, pointed at and called out for their pants-pissing cowardice!

I despise them as much as if not more than the demofascists themselves!!!
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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #98 on: February 27, 2019, 06:03:18 PM »
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Re: Trump Border Wall Designs
« Reply #99 on: February 28, 2019, 10:39:13 AM »
Pretty sure that's been tried many times...fools keep buying same crap off the shelf...

The phrase "too stupid to live" comes to mind...perfect for these latter-day times...

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