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JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« on: October 18, 2017, 07:31:24 AM »
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-17/cia-urges-trump-delay-release-3000-never-seen-documents-jfk-assassination

In a functioning Republic there should not ever be a fear of releasing information...especially after 54 years!

BTW - I do not think Posner is necessarily incorrect as to number of shooters...but the who is still open for debate...and I agree with the real who behind it all as Roger Stone alleges, in my mind no other single person on the planet stood to gain as much by this than LBJ!
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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2017, 09:41:46 AM »
I guess the answer was...both.   ::facepalm::

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-26/trump-delays-release-some-jfk-assassination-records-after-last-minute-cia-push

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-27/trump-backtracks-jfk-files-vows-release-just-about-everything-public

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trump-expected-to-release-remaining-jfk-assassination-documents-thursday/2017/10/25/52c8f71a-b9b7-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.63193a64b16f

Spooks...   ::)

What, after all this time...is there to 'protect' that could damage those clowns?

Looks, smells, walks, talks...like BS!

Yeah...kinda think the KGB was right...they may have been thugs, but they weren't stupid...not about their tradecraft anyway, their ideology yeah...but they out-played the West a number of times...

http://nypost.com/2017/10/27/unsealed-docs-reveal-kgb-thought-lbj-could-have-been-behind-jfk-assassination/

Diem thing is poppycock.

Sorted through a bunch of these files...lot of blather about committees, lots of goose-chases into the Mexico back story of Oswald...Cuba crap...whole lot of nothing...

The Secret Service threat files were interesting...even back then there were a lot of kooks making all sorts of threats...who was looked into prior to the Dallas trip...stuff on King & Ray (interesting to see how they collected newspaper and literary stuff to help investigate other angles & people!)...Nosenko & Golitsyn notes...Informants with names like "Claudius" informing on radical leftists...Operation Mongoose...

Illegible docs...seriously, technology today, somebody gotta work on those...

There is 134 pages of linked PDF's.
   
Some CIA files marked "SENSITIVE ORIGINAL WITHHELD BY CIA"...I guess those are the ones they convinced/refused to release until April...seriously, April?  WTF?

Just the volume out there of this and the previous releases...an intelligent person might determine it is all background noise meant to clutter the truth! I mean, even at this late date...the bulk of this stuff is nothing, why did it take so long to track down and release this dreck?  So far I have not stumbled into anything screaming "OMG, I can see why they withheld this stuff for so long!".

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release

I recommend hitting the Excel download file, you can sort by source, to/from, subject...whatever trips your trigger...and the links embedded in the first column pop open your browser and bring you to the document PDF.
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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2017, 01:25:59 PM »
OK, I find this the most interesting thing yet -

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32106450.pdf

Where is this notebook now?  What did it contain?  Who rented room 2422?

 ::whatgives::
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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2017, 05:18:17 PM »
Where is this notebook now?  What did it contain?  Who rented room 2422?

 ::whatgives::

I doubt if we'll ever know.
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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2017, 08:43:42 AM »
Where is this notebook now?  What did it contain?  Who rented room 2422?

 ::whatgives::

I doubt if we'll ever know.

Maybe it really was the guy fictionalized in the Stephen Hunter novel "The Third Bullet" who fired the kill-shot from the Dal-Tex Building?!   ::speechless::

The ballistic detail he goes into in that novel with his fictional theory compared to the official ballistic reports is compelling!
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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2017, 11:41:03 AM »
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-27/one-paragraph-you-need-read-jfk-assassination-files-may-change-everything


Quote

...the "Surgeon General's Report" on the assassination stated that the first bullet entered the President's throat below the adams apple, clearly showing that two persons were involved with the first shot being fired from the bridge across the park way in front of the car.

To further substantiate this, POTITO said there was a bullet hole in the wind shield of the President's car..

Things that make you go: WTF????
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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2017, 03:29:53 PM »
OK, latest release not offering a lot...

Radio traffic between Cuba & US was being looked into...

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/144-10001-10203.pdf

East German response to the news interesting in terms of a cold war commie aparatchuk's point of view...

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/144-10001-10278.pdf

Oswald's Russian teacher identified...I call out his opinion of Oswald as a criminal mastermind...

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32341335.pdf

"someone of Oswald's mentality and character"...

And there more of stuff like this...CIA FILE ON CISNEROS DIAZ, ROGELIO -

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10165-10084.pdf

Thanks, what a benefit that is...

Some interesting history on past plots on Castro etc...

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32105882.pdf

Interesting history on Operation Mongoose...

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32424902.pdf

...funny, isn't that basically the approach the Russians ran with when they rolled into Afghanistan a decade or so later?

Condolences from Soviets and helpful admission of info on Oswald and the CIA's opinion it was an easy offer as they must know their conversations are captured...

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32373296.pdf

And...uhh...what? 

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10226-10111.pdf

An itinerary for "Ramrod" in December 1962 in the JFK files?  Only "Ramrod" I know is Bob Dole?   ::whatgives::

The CIA approach to giving info to the Warren Commission: Facts w/out how and avoid press musings -

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32343465.pdf

About this Silvia Duran, a Mexican working at the Cuban consulate...

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32347959.pdf

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32353576.pdf

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32389422.pdf

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32356652.pdf

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32373478.pdf

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32389422.pdf

Interestingly, the Cubans cut Duran lose and fired one of their own, with or without Russian insistence who knows...but the Russian's obviously were dicking with Oswald's visa requests for a long time and didn't seem eager to have him anywhere near Russia or Cuba...either because they knew he was a f**kup, or because they knew as a f**kup he could be used against them since they were already dumb enough to let him in once!

I don't buy much of anything in the Cuban angle...but who the hell was this Cuban GTFO of town that they held a departure for him? 

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32202099.pdf

Curiosity, nothing else...

Interesting though the guy dicking Oswald over came from their Assassination branch...

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32364160.pdf

I'd hang up and run from that ass-clown Oswald too! 

Duran spotted in Texas in January 1963.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32202106.pdf

Probably meeting LBJ's operational cut-out's, putting her honey-trap plans in operation...get a solid backstory sticking Oswald to the Russians...keeping all eyes off those really calling the shots...
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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2017, 08:36:03 AM »
Interesting.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5095695/Jack-Ruby-known-JFK-assassination.html

Odd phrasing...fireworks...on the morning of.  If it was "parade", "show"...something generic like that...I could dismiss it entirely as nothing...

Ruby is often cited with all manner of reasons for snuffing Oswald...but the official record just chose to chalk his role up to enraged vengeance of a hot-headed nobody...

Sure seems to fit the kind of guy my primary criminal mastermind would employ to shut somebody up...

https://nostalgia049.wordpress.com/2013/09/25/lbjs-options-assassinate-jfk-or-go-to-prison/
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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2021, 11:53:37 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/why-nara-secrecy-over-secret-jfk-records

Hornberger is being a little coy...no perpetual bureaucracy need explain itself, let alone explain the obvious, to any serf!  Heck, bureaucrats straight up lie to Senators, Congresscritters, Judges, attorneys, jurors and presstitutes daily if not hourly...or by the second!

Some of that ilk likes it and/or needs it...and the bureaucrats know it pisses sane people off...
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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2021, 08:39:55 AM »
Still not done covering DeepState asses...takes a lot of time to redact that much stuff...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/identifiable-harm-biden-kills-jfk-file-release-issues-baffling-statement

Any "identifiable harm" to the DeepState is verbotten...who do these Amerikan serfs think they are?!
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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2021, 09:11:17 AM »
Latest data dump...

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release2021

I scanned these...the usual notes and scribbles with scant details (paper-chasing), more on Castro/Anti-Castro activities (Operation Mongoose), congressional transcripts of key people interviewed over the years (Colby CIA, etc).

More evidence of operational use of in-house and private contractors to distance CIA fingerprints on activities, placement/recruitment of assets in news organizations (especially wire services like UPI etc that were often first-source disseminators) and the FBI's penchant for informants.

It's easy to see now how lax oversight and ever-increasing budgets and crisis-fundraising created the DeepState Beast we know and distrust today...

No "ahh ha!" stuff here...seems previous holds were all about fear of releasing info showing how much they all knew about POI's and how inept they are at connecting dots and how focused on checking/toppling prime targets by any means necessary they were...which in fairness to the times in many cases was understandable...but when it comes to threats coming at us on our own turf the compartmentalization that was endemic and the sharing between agencies was spotty and the leadership that was feudal in nature...once can only conclude that they are often inept or complicit in things...so which was it in this case?

I've never subscribed to grand conspiracy theories on the JFK assassination, Occam's Razor...the bigger it is the harder to keep a lid on it and the harder it is for it to succeed...if there is conspiracy it had to have been a very small group of principles...all other peripheral players little more than background noise allowed to through sh!t in the air to protect the core.

Anyway...at this rate, these releases won't conclude before we're all worm food...
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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2021, 10:17:05 AM »
The MOB did it ::rockets::

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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2022, 10:14:53 AM »
I think the Mob was used in clean up only (Ruby et al)...

I still think it was DeepState and they got LBJ to go along...DeepState got the bigger war it wanted and all the black budget funding the lusted for...LBJ got the exponentially expanded welfare state and the pieces in place to enslave generations onto the Dem Plantation...

And as some suggest (not without justification) CIA involvement...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/12/15/tucker-carlson-asks-knowing-what-you-know-now-do-you-think-the-cia-killed-president-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comments

...at that point in time nothing was as deep in the DeepState than the CIA...the FBI was still under the iron rule of J. Edgar Hoover and Hoover jealously asserted their jurisdiction in domestic activities...but the CIA having been born out of the OSS and given a bigger mission and budget could operate much better in the shadows than the FBI who were more top cops...but I don't see J.Edgar being too broke up about getting a pesky Kennedy off his back...

Of course eventually every institution got corrupted...it's how long march ops go, ya know?

Anyway...link is FWIW...

And, somebody linked these in the comments...kinda interesting who was hob-knobbing with whom...

https://youtu.be/wZlxu7JV34g

https://youtu.be/haMhn7jgW6E

https://youtu.be/TJgnftD3OFA

Also, though many policies/statements may have triggered the DeepState into violent treasonous action...some point to this speech as being one of the triggers...

In the context of where we went, where we are today and with the not so long ago backdrop of Eisenhower's farewell address preceding this...it is a fascinating speech to hear again...

https://youtu.be/29NIlZxSsSs
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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2022, 10:30:35 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bidens-latest-jfk-document-dump-joke

LOL, nice post, Kit.

The same Jack Ruby cavorting with other interesting fellows in the clips I posted above.

Well, JoeFraud is a loyal DeepState puppet...he remains loyal only to them...
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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2022, 01:52:17 PM »



H/T's-WRSA@GAB

What?

Themselves of course!

The descendants of the proto-DeepState cannot reveal any dirty laundry of their family...their code goes beyond the Omerta of the Cosa Nostra...

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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2023, 11:11:16 AM »
"The Man Who Killed Kennedy" by Roger Stone (LBJ)

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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2023, 11:40:13 AM »
Aye, could not have happened without that bastard on-board with the plot...

I've long argued nobody politically (personally and for his party) than LBJ...and the other part of the deal was the capitulation of power to the shadow government of the DeepState...
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Re: JFK Assassination Files - To release or not to release?
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2023, 11:13:37 AM »
The discussion is old...second shooter or not?  But this information from almost 15 months ago is new to me...and if the witness testimony (specifically the Ford workers, the motorcycle cops and doctors I've heard/read before) are true then this is compelling...

https://www.emerald.tv/p/thomas-lipscomb-hidden-in-plain-sight

So, by this analysis Oswald's first shot missed (all accounts seem to agree on that), the throat shot came from in front and not from the infamous "grassy knoll" to the limo's right but the other knoll to the left behind which was a parking lot...destroying the problematic "magic bullet" theory which instead indicates Oswald hit Connelly direct (and he was his real target, not JFK, whom They/Them were going to pin JFK on him from the start) and since the bullet hole in the front windshield was fairly high on the throat shot and the limo losing elevation the headshot just now clear of the windshield could do its full terminal damage.  Seeing JFK's head-shot I could see Oswald wantning to GTFO there.

Seems to fit the facts better, also clearly indicates a highly skilled sniper with likely military training and clearly indicates a conspiracy.  Everything afterward seems logical if this is the story...destroy evidence, eliminate the patsy...whitewash the people.
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