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Civic Nationalism and the Demise of the American Experiment
« on: November 25, 2017, 07:34:33 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih4RYO1te8s

I know I have butted heads with people here over this before. I will probably continue to do so.  I think Multiculturalism based on a binding Civic ethic can work, but obviously would required guards and checks that our founders didn't put in place, and I don't see a road back to that from where we are standing. Its going to go tribal, and in the end it will be to everyone's loss, as I think that different ways of approaching life and problems was key to driving America to the point where it was a super power. But then again, most of that immigration was Culturally already similar to us in terms of work ethic and values.  As Adams said, the U.S. Constitution is fit only for a moral (which here I think implies Christian in many ways)  people. and if the morals  are corrupted the whole shebang is lost. The Civic ethic we embraced has been turned  and used against us, by people who have no intention of ever reciprocating based on those values.

And I think more and more people are coming to that conclusion.  White Identity politics, which will be portrayed as the next coming of the KKK or Hitler,  is here to stay - and will probably form the real battle lines  - that fiction story we read about the black guy wanting to fight with the patriots and being told instead  to stay in his home - seems entirely accurate. How nastily will the lines be drawn? Who will be in tribe and who won't? Its hard to say.  Back east they are already so dang racist, with Italians, Greeks , Jews, Koreans, and what not openly refusing to associate with THOSE kinds of people. Out West the pioneer etic is still strong despite the California pollution, and the Californians tend to be more fadist and elitist than racist.

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Re: Civic Nationalism and the Demise of the American Experiment
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2017, 10:25:28 PM »
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We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song.
2 Timothy 1:7
For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but of power & of love and of calm, a well-balanced mind, discipline and self-control.

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Re: Civic Nationalism and the Demise of the American Experiment
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2017, 11:33:58 AM »
Founding Principles work, they only break down when they are allowed to break down.  We're beyond that now, they are actively being encouraged to be broken down into rubble by our so-called representatives and cheered on by their tribal leaders in media, entertainment, academia and business.  Assimilation has been turned on its head, those of us still clinging to Founding Principles are the ones being told to assimilate to the tribalism of Globalist Progressive dogma.  OMBDB!  And I honestly don't give a fat rats ass about race...I have one guide star, just one...you are for Founding Principles and the supporting Judeo-Christian tradition, ethics and morals and the unwavering belief that Our Rights are endowed to us by Our Creator, not just codified on animal skins!  That's it.  So I don't care what color you are and apart from Mohammadism and made up crap like Scientology and psychotic cults I don't give a damn about other religions...either you are for Founding Principles or you are not, and if not you are not then you are my mortal enemy for all time and on any existential plane!
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Re: Civic Nationalism and the Demise of the American Experiment
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2017, 06:06:11 PM »
Founding Principles work, they only break down when they are allowed to break down.  We're beyond that now, they are actively being encouraged to be broken down into rubble by our so-called representatives and cheered on by their tribal leaders in media, entertainment, academia and business.  Assimilation has been turned on its head, those of us still clinging to Founding Principles are the ones being told to assimilate to the tribalism of Globalist Progressive dogma.  OMBDB!  And I honestly don't give a fat rats ass about race...I have one guide star, just one...you are for Founding Principles and the supporting Judeo-Christian tradition, ethics and morals and the unwavering belief that Our Rights are endowed to us by Our Creator, not just codified on animal skins!  That's it.  So I don't care what color you are and apart from Mohammadism and made up crap like Scientology and psychotic cults I don't give a damn about other religions...either you are for Founding Principles or you are not, and if not you are not then you are my mortal enemy for all time and on any existential plane!

Unfortunately ( or perhaps fortunately) more and more people who do believe in those founding principles and finding themselves being made to care about race and color. I suspect that if we get though this it will be by segmenting along tribal and not ideological lines. We may, after ridding ourselves of the trash, be able to return to those ideological roots, but I think whatever emerges at first will necessarily be Christian based -  probably as a national religion -  and if other races are tolerated, the will be made to assimilate - "act white"  and do it  damn quick.

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Re: Civic Nationalism and the Demise of the American Experiment
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2017, 06:30:02 PM »
...and more people who do believe in those founding principles and finding themselves being made to care about race and color.

Having endured a sermon on ‘racial tension’ last Sunday (which, overall, wasn’t too bad – but one lady brought up the Trayvon Martin incident from a fear perspective) – today’s “sermon” was a congregational opportunity to share praise & thanks individually in front of the church with a mike…

…now was my chance to take a small swat back.

I began by being thankful for my wife & 2 adult children (who were sitting 3 rows away) - & then stated that, when I pray, it’s for wisdom & patience. That – being in the leadership development field – patience is a necessity since I deal with people. People who make goals then proceed to make excuses as to why they can’t achieve those goals…that they set.

I then turned people into culture: stating that our culture is akin to an adolescent teenager, demanding things be given them rather than achieve those things on their own – and how I need even more patience to respond to a culture run totally amok; feigning offense at every turn & wearing a “Victim” lens rather than accepting personal responsibility.

I closed expressing thanks for God’s graciousness – enabling me to discern truth in a culture bent on muddying the definition of that word.

I received a polite applause as I took my seat (being thankful for the opportunity to vent in a small, yet appropriate way).
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Re: Civic Nationalism and the Demise of the American Experiment
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2017, 06:40:52 PM »
You can have all the different inputs you want, if there's a core glue that holds it together.  The left now is openly going after the Bill of Rights.  They're using tribalism to do so.  There is where the whole thing breaks down.

When Chinese protest colleges to get the Dalai Lama disinvited from speaking, they're not American.  Go the bleep back.
When Mexicans salute the Mexican flag and not the American flag, they're not American.  Go the bleep back.
When anyone takes a knee for the national anthem, they're not American.  Ship them the bleep back to the s**thole they originated from.
When Muhammad does anything in support of Sharia Law, ship him the bleep back to the s**thole he originated from.

Save America for those who value our shared ideals that have been in place for 241 years.

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Re: Civic Nationalism and the Demise of the American Experiment
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2017, 06:55:43 PM »
You can have all the different inputs you want, if there's a core glue that holds it together.  The left now is openly going after the Bill of Rights.  They're using tribalism to do so.  There is where the whole thing breaks down.

Most churches I know consider that "glue" to be Jesus Christ - which is ultimately true. But there's a layer beneath that (Jesus is on top, obviously) that MUST recognize core, founding, Constitutionally defined freedoms - which the founders acknowledged were from God anyway...so there's the connector.

The problem with many churches is a reticence to acknowledge that connection (a nation conceived & founded on the Judeo/Christian ethic) because they fear their congregation (verbal/emotional backlash, lower tithing, leaving, etc). Then they begin, as I've stated before, to view scripture through a cultural lens, rather than culture through a scriptural lens.

...and then the congregational pandering begins.
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Re: Civic Nationalism and the Demise of the American Experiment
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2017, 07:24:48 AM »
Founding Principles work, they only break down when they are allowed to break down.  We're beyond that now, they are actively being encouraged to be broken down into rubble by our so-called representatives and cheered on by their tribal leaders in media, entertainment, academia and business.  Assimilation has been turned on its head, those of us still clinging to Founding Principles are the ones being told to assimilate to the tribalism of Globalist Progressive dogma.  OMBDB!  And I honestly don't give a fat rats ass about race...I have one guide star, just one...you are for Founding Principles and the supporting Judeo-Christian tradition, ethics and morals and the unwavering belief that Our Rights are endowed to us by Our Creator, not just codified on animal skins!  That's it.  So I don't care what color you are and apart from Mohammadism and made up crap like Scientology and psychotic cults I don't give a damn about other religions...either you are for Founding Principles or you are not, and if not you are not then you are my mortal enemy for all time and on any existential plane!

Unfortunately ( or perhaps fortunately) more and more people who do believe in those founding principles and finding themselves being made to care about race and color. I suspect that if we get though this it will be by segmenting along tribal and not ideological lines. We may, after ridding ourselves of the trash, be able to return to those ideological roots, but I think whatever emerges at first will necessarily be Christian based -  probably as a national religion -  and if other races are tolerated, the will be made to assimilate - "act white"  and do it  damn quick.

I hate that term "act white", it's what the militantly racist in the black community lob at blacks who leave the plantation the progs created...and is itself a racist term.  And I don't deny things will go tribal, as I said my tribe is the Founders tribe, anybody wanting war with me will get their fair share no matter what other dumbass tribe they belong to.

And Todd is right, but The Great Reckoning will sort it out, it will eject them from the land or fertilize the land...their choice.
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