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« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2018, 09:45:59 PM »
"Things" change, but human nature doesn't. 

You heard the saying "you will be made to care" about all things homo?  Lots of us do, and not in a good way.

You're not a liberal, you're a totalitarian.  Same as it ever was.
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« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2018, 08:21:49 AM »
I gave it a shot, now like Pan I bow out.  This much self-imposed ignorance is unsalvageable.

I leave it for The Great Reckoning to settle.

Sorry Pan, for the waste of time and space.
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« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2018, 10:18:12 AM »
No blood, no report, Libertas.
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« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2018, 11:43:08 AM »
"Things" change, but human nature doesn't. 

You heard the saying "you will be made to care" about all things homo?  Lots of us do, and not in a good way.

You're not a liberal, you're a totalitarian.  Same as it ever was.

you mean to say that I personally am a totalitarian?

Please note the modus operandi,  here,  same as on ACOC:  ask stupid questions that he damn well knows the answer to already;  feigning ignorance as to the point you make,  same ol',  same ol',...

Aenides,

You made it very clear,  on ACOC,  that you were first and foremost a Bernie supporter (I'm sure this comes as a bit of a shock to the regulars HERE...NOT!),  ergo,  you are definitely an admitted totalitarian,  as in you support the state having TOTAL control of EVERYTHING,  including our own personal lives and fortunes.  Own it,  sweet pea.


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« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2018, 12:13:15 PM »
We have a BernieBro here? WTF? Apparently he didn't read the greeting. Oh well. As long as he's entertaining someone...
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« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2018, 03:55:57 PM »
"Things" change, but human nature doesn't. 

You heard the saying "you will be made to care" about all things homo?  Lots of us do, and not in a good way.

You're not a liberal, you're a totalitarian.  Same as it ever was.

you mean to say that I personally am a totalitarian?

Please note the modus operandi,  here,  same as on ACOC:  ask stupid questions that he damn well knows the answer to already;  feigning ignorance as to the point you make,  same ol',  same ol',...

Aenides,

You made it very clear,  on ACOC,  that you were first and foremost a Bernie supporter (I'm sure this comes as a bit of a shock to the regulars HERE...NOT!),  ergo,  you are definitely an admitted totalitarian,  as in you support the state having TOTAL control of EVERYTHING,  including our own personal lives and fortunes.  Own it,  sweet pea.

The UK has a mixed economy more socialized than ours with features consistent with Bernie's platform such as universal healthcare. Do you consider the U.K. to be a totalitarian state?

Absolutely.

The operative word in this is the word "mixed".  Socialism (communism/totalitarianism lite)  does not "mix" well with others.  Eventually,  it does exactly what the leaven does in Jesus' parable:

Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.


We're on GB's heels in its mad march to Marxism,  compliments Bernie's ilk,  you included. 

Next stupid question...

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« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2018, 05:59:23 PM »
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If I were going to list some totalitarian regimes I'd name Stalinist USSR, fascist Germany, North Korea, or Hussein's Iraq as prime examples because they do not tolerate divergent opinions. In fact that's a part of the definition of "totalitarian":

"of or relating to a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life." http://www.dictionary.com/browse/totalitarian?s=t

The U.K. does tolerate parties of differing opinion. From their Human Rights act:

"Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises."

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/part/I/chapter/9

I disagree that having an economy more mixed than ours (ours is too btw) makes a country "totalitarian".

The UK can and does prosecute people for anything the govt says is 'hate speech' which includes any opinions about ethnic groups or religions.  Being factually correct is not a defense. They have also recently refused entry to people having incorrect political views from the country.  I recall that speakers corner in Hyde park featured Orwell, Lenin, and Marx in the past. Now you can be prosecuted for making politically incorrect speeches there.

It is what it is. It does not matter much whether or not you put the label 'totalitarian' on it.
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« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2018, 06:12:41 PM »
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I do like McCain. He's an honorable man and a patriot. For all his faults W. Bush was sincere and he meant well. GHWB oftentimes put himself in grave danger in World War 2. He was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for our nation and nearly did when he was shot down in the Pacific. He then served in the house, as an ambassador and in the CIA helping to defend us from the USSR during the cold war despite having a successful business. He didn't serve for the money. He served to serve. Romney was unlucky to be pinched in an awkward spot between the primary and the general in 2012. As a result of that I don't think most of us got to see the "Real" Mitt.

I think that all of these men were decent and honestly cared for their country.

I don't see this kind of honor and sacrifice in the new GOP.

Whether McCain is honorable is a matter of opinion.  He barely graduated from Annapolis and used his daddy's influence to get ahead. Just because he got shot down does NOT mean I want him for president.

GHWB was better than the Dem. GHWB was head of the CIA and that is supposed to make him honorable. Putin was a mere colonel in the KGB and that is supposed to make him a monster. I could never figure that one out.  Why isn't Putin a patriotic honorable Russian?

GWB could have been worse. Romney made me puke. I don't think he actually ever ran a real business. He just bought them, stripped them of assets, loaded them with debt, and sold them to a greater fool.  The book The Great Deformation tears Romney and GWB apart pretty well.

BTW I held my nose and voted for all of them.  I recall a poster on ACOC, irish Conservative. The slogan back then was to get drunk and vote for McCain. She said she was going to have to take the bottle of Jameson with her into the voting booth.
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« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2018, 06:37:59 PM »
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If I were going to list some totalitarian regimes I'd name Stalinist USSR, fascist Germany, North Korea, or Hussein's Iraq as prime examples because they do not tolerate divergent opinions. In fact that's a part of the definition of "totalitarian":

"of or relating to a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life." http://www.dictionary.com/browse/totalitarian?s=t

The U.K. does tolerate parties of differing opinion. From their Human Rights act:

"Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises."

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/part/I/chapter/9

I disagree that having an economy more mixed than ours (ours is too btw) makes a country "totalitarian".

The UK can and does prosecute people for anything the govt says is 'hate speech' which includes any opinions about ethnic groups or religions.  Being factually correct is not a defense. They have also recently refused entry to people having incorrect political views from the country.  I recall that speakers corner in Hyde park featured Orwell, Lenin, and Marx in the past. Now you can be prosecuted for making politically incorrect speeches there.

It is what it is. It does not matter much whether or not you put the label 'totalitarian' on it.

I'm willing to be corrected if I am wrong, can you post a link to a good example of prosecution for having "any opinions about ethnic groups or religions"?

OMG there is a long list. I can find them as time allows.  I just happen to remember the video below because I recently watched it, mostly due to the humor.

At 24:00 to 27:00 below Katie Hopkins describes how she was to be  repatriated from Australia to UK because she had used the phrase "sweaty socks" or "sweaty jocks" in a post about some Scots woman who brought Ebola back to the UK, which  offends Scots.  I don't know who instigated it, the UK or Australia.  Also from 30:00 to 36:00., especially around 35:00 she describes how the police showed up at her door in Britain  to take her in for tweeting about Ramadan rage.  Muslim crime rates go up during Ramadan.

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« Reply #49 on: April 18, 2018, 10:13:26 PM »
Here ya go,  Bozo:

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BRITAIN FIRST DEPUTY Who is Jayda Fransen? Britain First deputy leader jailed after being found guilty of religiously aggravated harassment

Fransen, 31, was found guilty of four counts of religiously aggravated harassment
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5027146/jayda-fransen-britain-first-jailed-religiously-aggravated-harassment/
 

She is the one whose anti Muslim tweets Trump retweeted.  I can't say which caught the most flak over it.  Religiously aggravated harassment.
Basically for passing out tracts and politely confronting people on the street to tell them "Christians good; Muslims bad."

Sounds very totalitarian to me.  Your mileage,  should you ever choose to put any on your gray matter,  will correspond equally.   Otherwise it will indubitably vary,  as always.

 ::thinking::

I'm wondering if the good folks here at IAL can bring you up on charges of "politically motivated harassment"?  Hmmmmm......

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« Reply #50 on: April 18, 2018, 10:31:49 PM »
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If I were going to list some totalitarian regimes I'd name Stalinist USSR, fascist Germany,...

No one asked you to.  We've all got a pretty good idea of what constitutes a totalitarian regime,  and a far better understanding of how they got to be that way than you do. 

But since you brought it up,  funny how you mentioned "fascist" Germany,  lumping all of Germany into one basket,  when it was East Germany only that remained a fascist state until the recent past.

Angela Merkel,  now head of a unified Germany,  was once an apparatchik of East Germany's secret police--Stasi. 

NO EU country has total sovereignty now.  Every branch of their governments takes a back seat to Brussels,  the EU's central governing body politick.  And Merkel's Germany is the tail that wags that dog.

Funny how history seems to go full circle like that. 

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« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2018, 12:54:37 AM »
"Things" change, but human nature doesn't. 

You heard the saying "you will be made to care" about all things homo?  Lots of us do, and not in a good way.

You're not a liberal, you're a totalitarian.  Same as it ever was.

you mean to say that I personally am a totalitarian?

Please note the modus operandi,  here,  same as on ACOC:  ask stupid questions that he damn well knows the answer to already;  feigning ignorance as to the point you make,  same ol',  same ol',...

Aenides,

You made it very clear,  on ACOC,  that you were first and foremost a Bernie supporter (I'm sure this comes as a bit of a shock to the regulars HERE...NOT!),  ergo,  you are definitely an admitted totalitarian,  as in you support the state having TOTAL control of EVERYTHING,  including our own personal lives and fortunes.  Own it,  sweet pea.

The UK has a mixed economy more socialized than ours with features consistent with Bernie's platform such as universal healthcare. Do you consider the U.K. to be a totalitarian state?

Do I?  You're gawdamned right I do.  The hell with its "mixed economy".

They held Charlie Gard in a hospital and wouldn't permit -- PERMIT, got that? -- his parents to bring him here to the US for treatment, at no cost to the UK.  Totalitarian much?

And now they're doing it again with Alfie Evans.

I don't care what the Brit doctors say about the futility of treatment; these babies do not belong to the State, they belong to their parents, and the fact that the parents cannot even take them out of the country for treatment is sinful; it's f ucking evil.

There's your totalitarian State.

Write one friggin word other than "yes ma'am" to me, you sonofab itch, and I will ban your sorry ass.
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« Reply #52 on: April 19, 2018, 07:07:54 AM »
This dude just likes the sound of his own circular statements...the Left is full if them.  Smug psuedo-intellectuals trying too hard to hide the fact they are no different than the national socialists of 1930's Germany or the totalitarian socialists of Marshall Stalin.  Both use slightly different excuses to arrive at the same place - craddle to grave control of every element of human activity and an irresistable urge to enlighten others of the rightness of their ideology by any means necessary.

UK isn't alone in crushing dissent.  The fugly Labor (Stalinist) Home Secretary Jacqui Smith actually moaned over the EU decision to strike down a UK effort to collect DNA from all citizens and banned as "undesireable" Michael Savage, and recently the UK deported Martin Sellner, his girlfriend Brittany Pettibone and Canadien Lauren Southern because "they are not conducive to the public good".  This type of language is right in line with Stalin, Hitler, Orwell and Bernie Sanders and all the Progressives here.  Non-Leftists are banned because the Left fears their views, period.  And in the UK (and not far behind in America thanks to the dogma of hate promulgated by way of pc/diversity/multi-cultism) they fear antogonizing the one element imported into their society it is impossible to appease unless you convert yourself to their cult, agree to be a slave of their cult or cheerfully die for their cult - Muslims.

California is in the middle of a book banning, burnings cannot be far behind.  Media censors or denies our free speech, as do Universities.  Sanders, Obama, Pelosi...they all applaud this and want more.

Yes, the Left no matter what you call your faction share statists totalitarian beliefs, adopt the language of oppression and genocide and are in my opinion and in the opinion of more people than Leftist care to realize...the Left is evil...and evil can only be vanquished.

Like Mohammad is the bitch of Satan, Muslims are the bitch of both...and Leftists appease Muslims as they think they will help rid themselves of a common enemy...and they are just stupid enough to believe that being last to be eaten is winning.

Both are in for a couple of surprises.

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« Reply #53 on: April 19, 2018, 08:19:43 AM »

I'm willing to be corrected if I am wrong, can you post a link to a good example of prosecution for having "any opinions about ethnic groups or religions"?

Are you willing to do even a slight bit of your own research? And no they don't jail you ( yet) for having opinions about Ethnic groups or religions - they jail you for expressing them in public.. or for  trying to interview someone with those views who will then make them public

As a  parting gift:
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« Reply #54 on: April 19, 2018, 10:07:16 AM »
No blood, no report, Libertas.

Cry havoc!  And let slip the dogs of war!

A mercy, yes?
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« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2018, 11:49:59 AM »
"Things" change, but human nature doesn't. 

You heard the saying "you will be made to care" about all things homo?  Lots of us do, and not in a good way.

You're not a liberal, you're a totalitarian.  Same as it ever was.

you mean to say that I personally am a totalitarian?

Please note the modus operandi,  here,  same as on ACOC:  ask stupid questions that he damn well knows the answer to already;  feigning ignorance as to the point you make,  same ol',  same ol',...

Aenides,

You made it very clear,  on ACOC,  that you were first and foremost a Bernie supporter (I'm sure this comes as a bit of a shock to the regulars HERE...NOT!),  ergo,  you are definitely an admitted totalitarian,  as in you support the state having TOTAL control of EVERYTHING,  including our own personal lives and fortunes.  Own it,  sweet pea.

The UK has a mixed economy more socialized than ours with features consistent with Bernie's platform such as universal healthcare. Do you consider the U.K. to be a totalitarian state?

Do I?  You're gawdamned right I do.  The hell with its "mixed economy".

They held Charlie Gard in a hospital and wouldn't permit -- PERMIT, got that? -- his parents to bring him here to the US for treatment, at no cost to the UK.  Totalitarian much?

And now they're doing it again with Alfie Evans.

I don't care what the Brit doctors say about the futility of treatment; these babies do not belong to the State, they belong to their parents, and the fact that the parents cannot even take them out of the country for treatment is sinful; it's f ucking evil.

There's your totalitarian State.

Write one friggin word other than "yes ma'am" to me, you sonofab itch, and I will ban your sorry ass.

I'm curious, what do you think about U.S. laws prohibiting parents from denying life-saving treatment to parents based on religious grounds? For example, Jehova's Witnesses do not practice blood transfusion based on their interpretation of scripture. If a physician has a reasonable expectation that a child will die if they do not receive a transfusion, should the parent be liable for abuse / neglect if they refuse it? Should the state pass a law permitting or even forcing the physician to override the parent's choice in this case?

I warned you.

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« Reply #56 on: April 19, 2018, 03:57:10 PM »
  Lasted longer than I thought.
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« Reply #57 on: April 19, 2018, 04:53:36 PM »
  Lasted longer than I thought.

He could have lasted longer if he wished. But progs (being progs) can't help but overdo and test the limits of patience and tolerance.

I guess he showed us a thing or two!

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« Reply #58 on: April 19, 2018, 04:59:12 PM »
It's the goalpost moving --

"The UK is totalitarian."

"How?"

"This is how ____________."

"Well, how about this __________ in the US?"

I can't stand it.  I warned IT.  BOOM!
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« Reply #59 on: April 19, 2018, 05:05:03 PM »

It takes a lot to make me nasty and snarky.
I recall slamming him on ACOC and feeling a little bad about it.

I guess he is now an unperson.
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