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Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
« Reply #80 on: June 10, 2019, 08:04:26 AM »
Dumbass Chi-Com's having a hard time realizing their economic success is our market...and since the lessons of Mexico are failing them...they are getting desperate -

Beijing is counting on the far-left anti-American ideology within Silicon Valley to create a communist economic alliance on U.S. soil that will work against the interests of the American people.

The Chinese government this past week summoned major tech companies including Microsoft and Dell from the United States and Samsung of South Korea, to warn that they could face dire consequences if they cooperate with the Trump administration’s ban on sales of key American technology to Chinese companies, according to people familiar with the meetings.


Held on Tuesday and Wednesday, the meetings came soon after Beijing’s announcement that it was assembling a list of “unreliable” companies and individuals.

[…] The meetings this week were led by China’s central economic planning agency, the National Development and Reform Commission, and attended by representatives from its Ministry of Commerce and Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, who addressed their remarks to a broad range of companies that export goods to China, according to the two people familiar with the gatherings.

[…] More broadly, the warnings also seemed to be an attempt to forestall a fast breakup of the sophisticated supply chains that connect China’s economy to the rest of the world. Production of a vast array of electronic components and chemicals, along with the assembly of electronic products, makes the country a cornerstone of the operations of many of the world’s largest multinational companies.

[…] To those from the United States, they warned that the Trump administration’s move to cut off Chinese companies from American technology had disrupted the global supply chain, adding that companies that followed the policy could face permanent consequences. The Chinese authorities also hinted that firms should use lobbying to push back against the government’s moves.

[…] Chinese officials explicitly warned companies that any move to pull production from China that seemed to go beyond standard diversification for security purposes could lead to punishment, according to the two people.

[…] The Chinese officials told companies from outside the United States that as long as they kept up their current relationships and continued to supply Chinese companies normally, they would face no adverse consequences.


A not unexpected move...they have become quite accustomed to the all too typical obedience of BigTech to their demands at the expense of their host nations...and most of their threats seem hollow given a pivot away from traditional suppliers and manufacturers and distributors may not be welcome in our market...so I have no problem putting the screws to these outfits from our side as well.

Let the shake out of gutless cowards continue!

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« Reply #81 on: June 10, 2019, 08:18:14 AM »
Their priorities may change to foodstuffs following the collapse of their swine herd.  Or not if it is just the proletariat who sufffer.
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« Reply #82 on: June 10, 2019, 06:07:39 PM »
  Lets see if the big shots have any pride at all.   When the threats start it's time to fold and get out. 
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Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
« Reply #83 on: June 11, 2019, 07:05:36 AM »
Their priorities may change to foodstuffs following the collapse of their swine herd.  Or not if it is just the proletariat who sufffer.

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They have an abundance of just one crop...am I right?!   ::unknowncomic::
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« Reply #84 on: June 11, 2019, 08:04:55 AM »
  Lets see if the big shots have any pride at all.   When the threats start it's time to fold and get out.

Do not overlook the importance of President Donald Trump publicly calling out the largest DC lobbyist group, and epicenter of Big Club corruption earlier today.  During a widely discussed CNBC interview today President Trump landed two torpedoes directly below the waterline on the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

The U.S. CoC is the largest influence purchaser in Washington DC, and the benefactor of dozens of the highest politicians in both the House and Senate.  The Wall Street funded CoC, and their President Tom Donohue, was already frustrated at their inability to influence President Trump and White House economic/trade policy.  President Trump is now confronting their self-serving politics directly.

The CoC is the lead U.S. member of the multinational ‘Big Club’, and has driven policies directly against Main Street USA for three decades.  Until now no modern U.S. President has ever been willing, or fearless enough, to take them on…. ‘until now’.  A few days ago the U.S. CoC threatened to sue President Trump over countervailing tariffs.

Today, President Trump hit back hard; this is an excellent development.

Our current middle-class (Main Street) economic growth and the shifting supply chain results, bringing manufacturing jobs back to the U.S., completely refutes U.S. CoC Tom Donohue’s doomsayer-promised economic proclamations.  If tariffs are so destructive, why was/is everyone ‘except the U.S’ using them to protect their industry segments and economies?

The truth is, the financial class and professional multinational lobbyists don’t want people to realize the modern trade system was designed to reduce American wealth.  It’s a feature not a flaw.


The collapse of U.S. manufacturing did not happen accidentally.  The rust-belt was not created accidentally.  NAFTA was not designed accidentally.  The back-door to the U.S. market was not created accidentally. Middle-class jobs were not lost accidentally.  Wages did not stagnate accidentally….  All of these results were brought about by specific design.

Who or what was in charge of the plan?

At the heart of trade agreements over the past 30 years you will find the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.  Yes, a Wall Street multinational corporate lobbying group actually wrote three decades of trade agreement language.

A team of business “experts” from within the U.S. CoC wrote the terms and conditions of actual trade agreements for Reagan/Reagan, Bush, Clinton/Clinton, Bush/Bush and Obama/Obama.  Add it up, that’s 30 years….. now look back to when the rust started, not coincidentally that’s 30 years ago.

All that stopped with Donald Trump.

Trillions of dollars of exfiltration stopped by Donald Trump.

Tens of trillions.

Those Big Club players are absolutely apoplectic. Beyond losing trillions in wealth to Main Street, you know what really drives their anger?

The Big Club cannot openly confront President Trump on the specifics, because his results at reversing their scheme is clear evidence they were the engineers behind the intentional loss of American wealth and standard-of-living in the first-place.
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The Chamber is a cancer; and any politician who advocates for multinational financial benefits over Main St. U.S.A. should be removed with extreme prejudice.



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Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
« Reply #86 on: June 13, 2019, 06:58:37 PM »
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Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
« Reply #87 on: June 17, 2019, 07:52:45 AM »


https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/15/wall-street-wrong-again-import-prices-decline-during-full-year-of-import-tariffs/

Fighting other nations, the lying demofascists and the presstitutes...and still winning!

Comment posted about stronger dollar over this period is also correct and indicates that to offset this counter-tariff impact something else must be in play...and a portion of this is import duties which are not used in calculating prices...the balance being perhaps slightly lower costs via other suppliers to absorb market share.
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Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
« Reply #88 on: June 18, 2019, 08:15:53 AM »
Well well well...lookie what we have here...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/17/ho-lee-cats-is-it-happening-chairman-xi-announces-visit-to-north-korea/

...if Xi cannot give Trump what he wants...will he force the NORK's?

What will he force...defiance and a unified front...or their nukes so the noose is loosened on China?  Funny thing is...why would winning loosen the noose on his neck?  There is a real possibility that Trump can get both concessions!

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« Reply #89 on: June 18, 2019, 07:55:23 PM »
Well well well...lookie what we have here...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/17/ho-lee-cats-is-it-happening-chairman-xi-announces-visit-to-north-korea/

...if Xi cannot give Trump what he wants...will he force the NORK's?

What will he force...defiance and a unified front...or their nukes so the noose is loosened on China?  Funny thing is...why would winning loosen the noose on his neck?  There is a real possibility that Trump can get both concessions!



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Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
« Reply #90 on: June 24, 2019, 07:31:58 AM »
Well well well...lookie what we have here...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/17/ho-lee-cats-is-it-happening-chairman-xi-announces-visit-to-north-korea/

...if Xi cannot give Trump what he wants...will he force the NORK's?

What will he force...defiance and a unified front...or their nukes so the noose is loosened on China?  Funny thing is...why would winning loosen the noose on his neck?  There is a real possibility that Trump can get both concessions!



   Zackly!   The bigger fish forces the little fish to take a hit for the team and the big fish gets a little break.

So far the Chi-Com's are pretty tight lipped about the pow wow with 'lil Kim...perhaps the latter told Xi to find somebody else to screw?

Anyway, Trump is mulling a new slew of screw China ideas (which IMO are long overdue!) and all poor Xi can do is whine like a spurned Geisha! (Japanese reference intentional in honor of G20 venue!)

 ;D

Winning, never gets old!   :D

Heh, and in another blow to Chi-Com appeasing Progs...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/424136-pope-francis-muslims-are-our-partners-for-co-existence/

...it never stood a chance...just more simian pooh-tossing by TDSing losers!
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Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
« Reply #91 on: July 24, 2019, 01:35:12 PM »
Wow, has economic intelligence degraded at ZeroHedge...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-19/trade-war-chaos-trumps-tariffs-crash-american-rv-industry

"The RV industry's crisis shows how President Trump's trade war has backfired, hurting the industry he promised to protect."

Oh, really?  So the Tyler(s) of ZH have little thought beyond posting recycled dreck from Reuters? 

So, decreased RV sales directly attributed to reduced deliveries to manufacturers of components/materials only available from China and its greedy environment-raping commie rat bastard government?

No comment on demand, eh?

For f**k sake this is valid economic reasoning to demonize Trump trade policy with a spoiled ungrateful brat with whom we are attempting a long overdue rebalancing of scales with?

The stupid...it's everywhere...

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« Reply #92 on: July 25, 2019, 03:45:31 AM »
The stupid really *is* everywhere.

It says something about the citizenry -- the people -- that so many dwell strictly on a short-term 'what's in it for me', rather than longer term concern of what's good for the country.  Then again, with so many paper-Americans and the loss of a common culture, it's not unexpected.
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« Reply #93 on: July 25, 2019, 09:55:57 AM »
Yup, pretty sure latter day Romans of intelligence were also quite disgusted seeing enemies within...the suicidal foolishness of so-called fellow citizens importing cultural terrorists and perverse alien ideals not natural to the host nation and terribly hostile to the principles and culture upon which it was founded.

Tick...Tock...

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« Reply #94 on: July 27, 2019, 11:35:29 AM »
France and Macron can FOAD!

 ::vafancoul::

https://au.news.yahoo.com/trump-uncorks-french-wine-threat-digital-tax-retaliation-200823687--spt.html

I say nail 'em with an equal amount they nail us...then sit back and giggle as they twist and squirm trying to argue the unfairness of it all!

Goddamned ingrate bastards....bail 'em out of not one but two world wars and provide the bulk of the security of their sorry stinking asses during the Cold War that freed all Euro's to plow their funding into socialist states and subsidized industries...and they treat us like foreign occupiers!

Perhaps Marshall was wrong...we shouldn't have rebuilt Europe...we should have garrisoned it!!!
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« Reply #95 on: July 27, 2019, 11:38:21 AM »
France and Macron can FOAD!

 ::vafancoul::

https://au.news.yahoo.com/trump-uncorks-french-wine-threat-digital-tax-retaliation-200823687--spt.html

I say nail 'em with an equal amount they nail us...then sit back and giggle as they twist and squirm trying to argue the unfairness of it all!

Man, does Trump have to retrain the whole effin world on how to behave properly, or wut!
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« Reply #96 on: July 27, 2019, 11:40:50 AM »
Heh, ya beat my edit.  'Tis well.

For Trump the training of spoiled brats will continue...

ETA -

And Trump tough at home too...build at home!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/07/27/president-trump-building-economic-landscape-for-2020/

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And, it looks like Guatemala blinked pretty quick!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/07/26/an-offer-they-couldnt-refuse-president-trump-announces-guatemala-asylum-deal-with-full-presser-video/
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Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
« Reply #97 on: August 06, 2019, 07:33:54 AM »
Allrightythen, this is shaping up into a proper trade war now.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/05/trump-blasts-china-yuan-drop-as-currency-manipulation-1634502

Pretty much anybody is a currency manipulator now...unless they are too small to do it on a proper scale...in most cases they deny it, they're lying.

Gold and most PMs getting a boost...

https://www.kitco.com/market/

VIX naturally taking a beating...

https://finviz.com/futures.ashx

Sell the small "buy the dip" rally.   ;)

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« Reply #99 on: August 13, 2019, 07:31:08 AM »
Another example of single-source sillyness...

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/10/trump-is-ruining-our-markets-farmers-lose-a-huge-customer-to-trade-war----china.html

Mark Watne, president of the North Dakota Farmers Union.  Bob Kuylen, guess who he represents?   The North Dakota Farmers Union, where he is VP.  Who are their pals?

Folks in other unions, like Zippy Duvall, president of the American Farm Bureau Federation.  And like most nominal Pubbies in Ag communities their ideals end (or never began to start with!) where self-interest begins.  Instead of something sensible like working with the Trump Admin to develop new market opportunities.  I hear people in Africa and Central and South America, the Middle East and Asia are starving and dying...or is all those help the starving wretches ads complete BS?  How about long-term storage opportunities?  Maybe governments/investors could buy product, store it properly like people did thousands of years ago to survive hard times, and those people can then bring it to whatever market is in need?  There are always alternatives, but no...piss, moan and blame...raw emoting...that's all you got?  How are we ever to have a fair trading relationship with anybody if only selfishness prevails?  All this tells me is these bigshot Ag Kings are Big Govt assclowns having toddler meltdowns and they handed the GoebbelsMedia juicy propaganda, and they didn't blink.  I'm supposed to have sympathy for that shyt?

Ha!   ::effu::

Suck it up, Buttercup!

PS - Where is China going to go for food when the masses are starving and the flames of Hong Kong subside?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-12/fall-armyworm-invades-china-wreaks-havoc-agriculture-lands

BRICs? 
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