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Re: India v. China & Pakistan
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2023, 01:26:17 PM »
Looks like Pakistan's Khan and his supporters have a lot in common with BLMer's...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/all-hell-breaks-loose-nuclear-armed-pakistan-after-imran-khans-arrest

...my question is are there any outside helping stoke this and are they Indian and/or Chinese?

Secondly and perhaps more importantly...who would get control of their nukes should this go totally sideways?  Seems to me there could be odd bedfellows involved in exploiting this...

...and clowns who think themselves too clever will always succeed in having unfortunate things happen that make other people question their sanity.

This could prove a consequential and catastrophic nightmare...
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Re: India v. China & Pakistan
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2023, 02:18:36 PM »
I watched a long video a while back on Khan. According to this Paki expert, Khan neglected his base where he had only  a slim majority in Parliament. The US had  its thumb on scale somehow, although it did not take much to peel off his majority.  He found some document from the US govt/ambassador and waived it like a bloody shirt.

IMO his arrest was a mistake given his popularity.

From above link.

According to Al Jazeera, "Khan has been slapped with more than 100 cases – including corruption, 'terrorism' and even blasphemy – since he was removed from power last April through a parliamentary vote of no confidence."

Heightening the risk of national instability is the fact that many of Khan's well-placed enemies are top military and intelligence officials:

    Khan's detention came after Pakistan's military spokesman, Maj. Gen. Ahmed Sharif, released an usually sharply worded statement against the former prime minister, warning him not to malign a serving officer. That followed recent allegations made by Khan that a military intelligence official was leading behind a plot to kill him.

    Sharif described Khan's claims as "highly irresponsible and baseless allegations" which were "unfortunate, deplorable and unacceptable."

    To add insult to the allegations, Khan referred to the military intelligence official as "Dirty Harry," from an old Clint Eastwood movie — allegations he doubled down on Tuesday before reaching the courthouse.
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Re: India v. China & Pakistan
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2023, 07:42:06 AM »
I am certain if the military wanted Khan dead he would already be dead.

I am also certain there is a lot more going on here than anybody is saying...and I am ruling out nobody.
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Re: India v. China & Pakistan
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2023, 09:45:59 AM »
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Re: India v. China & Pakistan
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2023, 02:42:09 PM »

I am sure many countries have their fingers in this mess.
Long I learned long ago about the old India-China battles in the Himalayas.
The Indians flew their troops from sea level to the mountain heights. The troops could not fight, but were mostly sick, throwing up a lot with major head aches.
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Re: India v. China & Pakistan
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2023, 08:06:15 AM »
Altitude adjustment is real, just as getting sea legs is real, decompression for divers is real...

If India, Iran, Taliwhacker Afghanistan, US, Russia, Israel, Saudis, Norks, Brits and Chi-Com's and a few others are not scurrying around there gleaning info and/or scheming I would be shocked...
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Re: India v. China & Pakistan
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2023, 08:13:47 AM »
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/08/09/the-intercept-publishes-diplomatic-cable-highlighting-u-s-pressure-on-pakistan-to-remove-president-imran-khan/

Sure.  But the West's socialists learned it from the Russian Imperialists and Chinese Communists.  But, it is wrong no matter who does it....but fat chance getting that to take hold...
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Re: India v. China & Pakistan
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2023, 10:00:19 AM »
Notice how Khan was said to be neutral. That is no longer allowed. In the 1950s Austria opted for neutrality. Eisenhower  reportedly welcomed this as US/NATO was stretched too thin as it was. Today the people running US/NATO are insane. The Baltics are way out of their depth.

Douglas Macgregor recently connected the dots on videos in pithy statements.

Donors, often globalists, control the US govt. Globalists want to destroy nation states. That is why they are flooding EU and US with third world immigrants.

Countries resisting this are subject to regime change.

Globalists hate the Russians the same way they hate the US citizens.

There is some 1993 paper by Soros where he proposes tearing Russia apart using western tech and Eastern Europe manpower as the West and US do not have the stomach for all the body bags. Then the 2019 RAND paper on over extending Russia using Ukraine.

Some US person asked a Chinese diplomat why China did not allow Tibet to be neutral? He replied that weak countries like Tibet will never be allowed to remain neutral and would fall under  influence of a stronger country. China prefers that it be them. BTW once over the Himalayas into Tibet, it is an easy roll into China.
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Re: India v. China & Pakistan
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2023, 10:52:30 AM »

I posted the 1993 Soros paper under east vs west. It is more nuanced that I believed. Or maybe hidden agenda is better stated.

Re: The Paki post above, this is consistent with how I see things.
The great game is for the US to weaken other big countries by peeling off allies and flipping them to the pro US side sung regime change. Also fueling civil unrest inside those countries. Manufacture consent inside the US using the MSM controlled by 6 corporations, to create fairy tales.
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Re: India v. China & Pakistan
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2023, 11:39:36 AM »
And Russia allies with Iran and China solely because of Evil American hegemony!

Pah!  They are rank opportunists looking for political and economic gain wherever they can find it, just like in their Soviet days.

Iran is batshyt-crazy and hates America if led by Globalist-controlled DemoNazis or Pubbies or mavericks like Trump.

China cannot deal favorably with America...it has to be allowed (by Globalists trash and their UniParty puppets) to sell us all the cheap crap they make in order to fund their military and pass crumbs to their people to keep them anesthetized to their totalitarian servitude and if they rob our technology and bribe our cronies and puppets well the Americans better accept it or else...and they better accept growing Chinese hegemony in the world and especially the Pacific Rim, or else!  And they better not say true things about China or FJB will censor it!

Russia not once ever tried to improve things during Trump's first term.  A clear indication they have ZERO interest in a friendly America.

I'm willing to see any evidence to the contrary... but I do not believe it exists except in fiction.
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Re: India v. China & Pakistan
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2023, 12:14:22 PM »
I think Russia, China, Iran trade with each other out of naked self interest. US/West has sanctioned them, especially Russia and Iran, and has plans to sanction China over Taiwan. Not being stupid they trade with each other. China wants belt and road to bypass future US sea blockade. All very rational.

Germany's self destruction is not rational. Germany used to export cars to Russia. Now China filled the gap.

Seeing things as a great game makes  things make sense to me. I find the "manufacturing consent" by the MSM and US govt annoying more and more. They make fairy tales for public consumption.

Wesley Clark reported that the US wanted to conduct regime change in 7 countries in 5 years? Or 5 countries in 7 years? All would require fairy tales for the US public.

Someone said that the US wanted regime change in Syria because they were helping Hezbollah in Lebanon against US ally Israel.  That makes sense. Not the US/MSM fairy tale reasons created to manufacture consent. .

Concluding X was done for reason Y is different than saying it is  morally wrong, which is a matter of opinion. So is concluding it was or was not in US interests.

Israel is good at getting their enemies to fight each other. Britain was  a master at this. Right or wrong is a matter of opinion.



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Re: India v. China & Pakistan
« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2023, 03:24:05 PM »

I watch travel video blogs off and on. I believe what I see over most other sources (BUT there are controlled video sources from inside China now. )
Iran did not seem that bad, compared to what I expected. People seem down to earth, maybe like US in the 1950s.

Here is the series for Iran. NZ guy. Any US (the great Satan) citizen would need a govt approved minder I was told.
https://youtu.be/0U3-7Ey3siA?list=PLN0FlxE6vY5BJbDJiGWk0gG00c2E07BSF
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Here is his Iran hitch hiking video.
https://youtu.be/6TleZuubucU?list=PLN0FlxE6vY5BJbDJiGWk0gG00c2E07BSF
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@ME-zl8ts
4 years ago
10 years ago I went to Iran for a visit and the group I was with ended up having a huge accident in the middle of no where. Every person who passed us by offered us food water and shelter. I had never seen anything like that. The car was totaled, everyone was ok, just had minor injuries. I forget sometime how safe Iran is, and how good the people there are.


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I am blown away by the hospitality of all the Iranian people you have encountered on this adventure. Real salt of the earth people. Its a testament to the notion that most people are good at heart. Thank you & travel safe.

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Treating the guest and the stranger well is considered one of the greatest virtues in Persian culture.  We say, "The guest is the beloved of God."  Even if you have just a tiny bit of food to eat, you give it to your guest and skip a meal. I grew up on the north of Tehran, in Niavaran, and my father always brought home Americans and Europeans who were hitchhiking through Iran.  Mom would give them a great meal, and they would spend the night in one of the guest rooms.  And in the morning, they'd continue on their journey.
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