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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2021, 09:27:50 AM »
Pretty sure elections are corrupt there too...most if not all are...it's just a quibble over degree...a change in government more than likely will be violent...and again I would be surprised if CIA, GRU, Mossad, ISI, SIS, BND, DGSE & MSS all didn't have operatives all over the place.
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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2021, 02:36:52 PM »
Yes. Erdogan gutted some of the military is response to an alleged coup a couple years ago. I wonder what is left of their military. BTW Turkish drones and loitering munitions have been used in battles recently.

The reason Turkey turned more fundamentalist is that the Muslim East out bred the more secular Western part.
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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2021, 11:13:44 AM »
Erdogan allowed the increasing fundamentalism...he was delusional enough to  see himself as the second coming of Suleiman the Magnificent...but he failed at it for the reason all vain egomaniacs fail...rare is the person who can be all things to all people...and picking favorites creates jealous enemies just as much as middling Machiavellian's with their never-ending push-pull tension games...and now he's old, feeble of mind and body...basically a Turkish Jello-head-Joe...
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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2021, 05:34:35 PM »
Reminds me of a guy I knew. An engineer. Turkish who went to grad school in Germany where he met his Yugoslav wife.
She and the kid learned English watching Sesame Street in Chicago.
His family had a long military history and he was pushing 30 where he would be too old to enlist and would shame his family.
So at age 30 he took a leave from the company in Chicago and went back to boot camp!  At 30. I think he just had to spent a little time then the reserves.

Lucky for him they found out what he could do and he spent the whole time translating technical and military manual.
His name was Ufuk Baja K******. He went by Baha to his friends and Bob on is business card. I wonder why????
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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2022, 11:31:55 AM »
I think Erdogan's physical and mental state is slipping...it's likely they have a Biden-like leader on their hands...but one who calls his own shots and like most "strong" leaders a visceral hatred of any and all opposition...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/istanbuls-mayor-erdogans-worst-nightmare

...if this Imamoglu is really a threat I suspect Erdogan will dispense with the corrupt court vassals and have him rubbed out...he may even be able to contract it out to some Russian mercenaries since Russia would be loath to lose what tentacles it has invested into Erdogan's confidence.
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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2022, 04:24:07 PM »
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The Duran guys used to cover Erdogan more. He is too complicated for me to understand. He gets himself in lots of jams. He funneled lots of Jihadis into Syria but later did not know what to do with them as he sure does not want them in Turkey.  I read he sent them into Azerbaijan and recently into some other battles I cannot remember the latest countrystan name.
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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2022, 09:05:36 AM »
Lunatic Erdogan going Kurd slaying again...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/erdogan-announces-new-military-operation-northern-syria-against-kurds

...playing NATO partners for saps once more.

So tired of these clowns and NATO...
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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2023, 08:03:07 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/why-turkeys-may-14-election-really-matters

Democracy!  So sick of that word...  Everybody home and abroad perverts that word to mean strongest mob rules.

Whatever.  The sins of the strong man in the Sick Man of Europe come home to roost...

And if it helps end NATO...well, I doubt even that would matter now with the expansion Northwards...
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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2023, 12:23:33 PM »


Alex says that Erdogan got just shy of 50% so there will be a run off which he will win.
https://youtu.be/LcMxOA6cOXU
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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2023, 02:33:11 PM »
Yeah, looks like that insufferable geriatric megalomaniac is going to benefit from the exit of the minority Ultra-nationalist (is that another name for Nazi or am I projecting disinformation?)...

As Axios reports of Ogan, "He has said he would only consider endorsing K?l?çdaro?lu if the opposition leader promised not to make any concessions to a pro-Kurdish party. However, K?l?çdaro?lu needs Kurdish support to have any chance of victory."

Looks like Ogan is at the very least a disingenuous promise-giver...

Erdo the Turdo wins again...

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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2023, 02:53:18 PM »

I never made any attempt to figure out Erdogan. Is there some ideology aspect to his main opponent? Is the US backing his opponent?
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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2023, 03:03:32 PM »
Have the Duran on. They say that polling in Turkey shows increasing distrust of US and increasing desire to stay close to Russia. They use the words "color revolution." Is the US trying that in Turkey? Did the US back the coup attempt a couple years ago? Apparently public opinion is that the US is meddling in their affairs.

As I said, I do not follow Turkey other than reading headlines.
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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2023, 08:04:13 AM »
Yes, only the US meddles...everybody else is just so super nice and totally hands off...   ::unknowncomic::

In this case it doesn't matter, there is no way for anybody to game things here without serious risks of backfiring...what Erdo did do is instill a nationalist identity among Turks and I don't think the The Kenyan's tricks will work here, not if they want to keep the in the NATO fold and a nominal check on the region while they play in Ukraine.

Anything more than pouring money in for funny name with a K guy IMO is fraught with danger.  Besides, K guy is only a bit more moderate than Erdo, whuppty-do!

I see Beijing and Moscow being much more tempted to lend support to Erdo as he seems just a bit more amenable to them than K guy.

But I'm sure there are guys with bags of money from all over running around there...

ETA - Their sick man status seems secure no matter what though...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/key-issues-turks-want-their-next-president-address
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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2023, 11:55:08 AM »

I never said that only the US is meddling in other countries.

I read that Erdogan was elected because of demographic changes. The Muslim fundamentalists out bred the secular population. I will never try to understand Erdogan.
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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2023, 08:31:05 AM »
Well all that change began under the (born in Greece, heh) Kemal Ataturk (Gallipoli victor [German leadership on Ottoman side was mediocre at best] over Russia, France & Britain)...and the war hero and hero of Turkish independence might have created a secular state but he was a nationalist who spoke of desiring to establish a new kind of caliphate, later tossed aside once its usefulness was past and the Sultanate was abolished...he knew the failures of the Ottoman Empire and chief among them was an inability to modernize...he never asked anyone to give up their religion, just to absorb the modern while retaining the history, traditions and religion of the Turkish people.  A nationalist.  And his cooperation with the new Soviet state in battling "imperialists" shows to what extent he would go to fight Monarchists...though Britain can hardly be called a Monarchy when the Monarch's are powerless.  In truth he saw weakness in a waning empire and wanted some spoils, and he liked fighting Brits.  He was a nationalist through and through.  And Erdogan sees himself in the same way...but more so I think.  He has shall we say a colorful history.  He seems himself as Turkey, he and the state are one and inseparable.  And Turkey will float or sink with him.
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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2023, 09:41:07 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/what-does-erdogans-reelection-mean-new-cold-war

Big shock.

Sink or swim...or just desperately tread water...

Whatever...
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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2023, 02:41:33 PM »

Duran said Erdogan ran on an anti west platform. His opponent did also but people did not believe him. They said a stronger opponent might have won.  There are strong economic ties between Russia and Turkey and people would be harmed by anti Russian moves.
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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2023, 08:08:47 AM »
I'd like to kick them to the curb...but doubt I will live to see it...
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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2023, 02:49:36 PM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-visit-turkey-erdogan-urges-grain-deal-renewal-bridge-peace

Interestingly, Turkey is not a signatory to the ICC Rome Statute...but it doesn't mean some ethnic Turk couldn't be MK Ultra'd into a lethal anti-Putin froth and turned loose...
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Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2023, 09:43:23 AM »
The Turks themselves may be the best ally we have that extricates them from NATO...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/turkiye-quietly-renounces-nato-links-not-nato-benefits

...and we from them...and all it takes is one departure to lead to more...but I despair of ever seeing the day when we kick them all to the curb...or the expel the abominable Useless Nations!
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