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Re: Trump turns neocon in Syria?
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2019, 07:20:15 AM »
I have no problems with the Kurds...and this is from someone who normally doesn't give a rats ass about Muslims...but the Kurds have been treated poorly by Iraqis under Hussein and Turks under Erdogan.  We blew a chance at the conclusion of GWII to let the Kurds establish a core of their homeland in northern Iraq (an argument I made several times in the past!)...then this would not be the poison-pill stumbling block with Syria...without the Kurdish issue Bolton would need to outright come out and admit it is only about regime change or stifle resistance and get on board the pull out express.  Trying to achieve that result now is more than problematic.  The Iraqis will eventually swing under more and more Persian domination and are less than thrilled with America regardless of who leads it.  Pretty much a total sh*t-show no matter how you cut it...thanks mostly due to the Obama policy of ceding regional hegemony to the radical Iranian Theocracy!

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Re: Trump turns neocon in Syria?
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2019, 09:52:41 AM »
I have no problems with the Kurds...and this is from someone who normally doesn't give a rats ass about Muslims...but the Kurds have been treated poorly by Iraqis under Hussein and Turks under Erdogan.  We blew a chance at the conclusion of GWII to let the Kurds establish a core of their homeland in northern Iraq (an argument I made several times in the past!)...then this would not be the poison-pill stumbling block with Syria...without the Kurdish issue Bolton would need to outright come out and admit it is only about regime change or stifle resistance and get on board the pull out express.  Trying to achieve that result now is more than problematic.  The Iraqis will eventually swing under more and more Persian domination and are less than thrilled with America regardless of who leads it.  Pretty much a total sh*t-show no matter how you cut it...thanks mostly due to the Obama policy of ceding regional hegemony to the radical Iranian Theocracy!

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Re: Trump turns neocon in Syria?
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2019, 03:11:43 PM »
I have no problems with the Kurds...and this is from someone who normally doesn't give a rats ass about Muslims...but the Kurds have been treated poorly by Iraqis under Hussein and Turks under Erdogan.  We blew a chance at the conclusion of GWII to let the Kurds establish a core of their homeland in northern Iraq (an argument I made several times in the past!)...then this would not be the poison-pill stumbling block with Syria...without the Kurdish issue Bolton would need to outright come out and admit it is only about regime change or stifle resistance and get on board the pull out express.  Trying to achieve that result now is more than problematic.  The Iraqis will eventually swing under more and more Persian domination and are less than thrilled with America regardless of who leads it.  Pretty much a total sh*t-show no matter how you cut it...thanks mostly due to the Obama policy of ceding regional hegemony to the radical Iranian Theocracy!

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 You think a line on a map is going to save the Kurds?  They backed us more that even the people we went to defend and deserve better.  Now a line on a map and a Military base would work to keep the wolves out.


Apparently we're pulling out regardless if Bolton and Pompeo like it or not...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-11/we-dont-take-orders-bolton-us-withdrawal-syria-begins

...time will tell if we have any kind of secret support of the Kurds in play or not...or if we made Erdogan's & Putin's day...hopefully we at least left some misplaced equipment, arms and supplies for them (and can always do air-drops)...but I am glad our people are being taken out of that s-hole.

The Kearsarge was deployed a while ago and is in central Med right now...Trump had to have made the decision weeks ago for this Amphib to be scheduled for pick up duty...maybe about the time Mattis resigned.
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Re: Trump turns neocon in Syria?
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2019, 07:25:46 AM »
Looks like President Trump is calling Sultan Erdogan's hand...

With the European nations, NATO allies, refusing to take their ISIS fighters back as prisoners, President Trump has made a deal with Erdogan to take them.

In the announcement President Trump has made it clear that any action by Turkey into Syria is unilateral; there will be no assistance by the U.S. on any aspect; including if Turkey is counter-attacked by Russia/Syria or organized Kurdish forces.

Essentially, Trump is leaving Erdogan naked to a myriad of his enemies if Erdogan does cross the border.  The U.S. part of the NATO shield is removed.  The Europeans will likely not evoke the NATO defense treaty without the U.S.  Heck, the EU is essentially spineless without the power of the U.S. military.

President Trump is calling out the duplicity of the entire situation by calling all of their bluffs.  President Trump is calling-out: NATO, weak EU ‘allies’ and Turkey.

In essence, this White House announcement is a major Gordian knot being cut.

It is unlikely President Erdogan expected to have this framework made so public.  This rather loud declaration by President Trump seems strategic in that it could make duplicitous Erdogan think twice about the actual military invasion itself.

However, Erdogan is also a rabid ideologue and he wants to recreate the Ottoman empire… so he’ll likely go ahead regardless of cost.


https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/07/president-trump-announces-turkish-unilateral-invasion-of-northern-syria/

What we don't know is what was left for the Kurds in the way of arms and supplies...it would be nice if they could fend off all rivals from any direction, but their fate appears to be mostly up to themselves...the cutting of this knot is nothing short of inspired...washing our hands of idiot Turks, Syrians, Jihadists, Persians and Russians is correct...let them sort it out, and whatever speeds the dissolution of NATO and sh*t partners like the Turks, Krauts and Frogs...so much the better!
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Re: Trump turns neocon in Syria?
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2019, 08:05:28 AM »
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Re: Trump turns neocon in Syria?
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2019, 12:33:42 PM »
Whole thing hinges on trusting the Islamist Erdogan not to slaughter Kurds and not to exceed this so-called "security zone" (see map below) or flood DAESH asswipes everywhere.



https://www.debka.com/__trashed-8/

Frankly, I don't trust Erdogan with anything...and there are some reports (could be endless war/statist/globalist neerdowells manufacturing it) of "atrocities" and while the article above says Kurds may be inflating aerial damage done by the Turks there is no confirmation here of "atrocities" and the Kurds would not hold back any evidence of the latter.

Best case - No atrocities, no incursion beyond this zone, no flood of DAESH scum.  (Those red dots....why are they not our targets as we leave?)

Now...if we can just decouple from the batshyt cultists of Saud...
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Re: Trump turns neocon in Syria?
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2019, 01:14:04 PM »
I am reposting this here. I did not see this topic.
Kim Iversen talks about the Kurds. She did research for this She self describes as a progressive.
I think she is a breath of fresh air compared to the MSM but I do not watch them much.

The more recent Oct 10 video is 22 min long.
https://youtu.be/IWQmjKbJg3A

A previous Oct 9 video is below. 30 min.
https://youtu.be/-CSeXtdZAO4
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Re: Trump turns neocon in Syria?
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2019, 07:38:07 AM »
Holy Guano Batman...Trump did it again!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/14/trumps-syrian-maneuver-works-president-erdogan-asks-for-negotiations-with-kurds-insyria/

And he makes it look so easy.  Seriously, everybody else wasn't trying to solve anything...they were perpetuating the status quo...a stupid status quo!

The Red/Blue DeepState incest is being unraveled!

Do we need to start seriously being concerned about DeepState assassin plots now?  The coup plots continue to fail, the President continues to get things done often at the expense of the DeepState and the political and legal pushback on the DeepState allies is engaged.

As with the coup attempts...any attempt to remove President Trump...will be a trigger setting off CWII...so these DeepState a-holes are on notice!
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Re: Trump turns neocon in Syria?
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2019, 08:14:51 PM »
  None of this is being said by the collection of whores pecker puffer or socialists and garden variety idiots they are suddenly all war mongers.
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Re: Trump turns neocon in Syria?
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2019, 08:41:32 PM »
The coup plots continue to fail, the President continues to get things done often at the expense of the DeepState and the political and legal pushback on the DeepState allies is engaged.



What is it they call that?

Oh, yeah.

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Re: Trump turns neocon in Syria?
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2019, 09:54:14 PM »
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Re: Trump turns neocon in Syria?
« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2019, 08:02:13 AM »
Sure, it would be akin to Erdogan giving up his maniacal lust to become the next Sultan of a reconstituted Ottoman Empire.

Not my problem though.  The real problem is having any American connected in any way to the batshyt blood-thirsty Muzz-clown.
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Re: Trump turns neocon in Syria?
« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2019, 09:24:09 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/erdogan-says-turkey-will-never-declare-ceasefire-in-northern-syria-ntv/ar-AAIP9rV



Erdogan says Turkey will never declare ceasefire in northern Syria

Don't care.  As long as *it* stays there, not our circus/not our monkeys.
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Re: Trump turns neocon in Syria?
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2019, 07:44:55 AM »
https://freebeacon.com/politics/pence-announces-ceasefire-deal-with-erdogan-to-end-turkeys-syria-offensive/

One would think Trump would be exhausted from all this winning...yet he keeps forging ahead, keeps accomplishing tasks, keeps drawing huge numbers to his rallies.

And getting our people out of stupid situations is double-plus good.

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Re: Trump turns neocon in Syria?
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2019, 12:03:26 PM »

Kim Iversen said she might take this video down for a while???? I hope it stays up.
Kim  Iversen talks about Syria.
She vents and clubs the US MSM like a baby seal. I understand how she feels. She self describes as progressive or liberal. The Duran talks about Putin and Syria in the other video. You will not see content like this in the MSM

https://youtu.be/2xVqfi-nuo4

https://youtu.be/fG3jeiJpuBg
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Re: Trump turns neocon in Syria?
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2019, 08:33:56 AM »
Cucks...we are overflowing with fat stupid corrupt useless fricken cucks!!!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/22/mitch-mcconnell-warns-president-trump-not-to-remove-troops-from-syria-or-else/

 ::cussing::  him!   ::cussing:: them all!

Cannot have this Congress adjourn fast enough.  Fricken useless!
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Re: Trump turns neocon in Syria?
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