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'ol Dick Bitz is a long-time America-hating turd-world-dwelling BRICS-pimping moron...proves it in every piece written...especially this one on Trump threatening to pull out of the broken INF treaty:

Flash forward to 2018. Trump’s foreign policy coterie, led by Secretary of State Michael Pompeo and National Security Advisor John Bolton – a man who was never a fan of arms control agreements – has accused Russia of violating the INF Treaty by continuing to test two types of missiles.

The first is the SSC-8 cruise missile, reportedly a ground-launched version of the ship- and submarine-based Kalibr missile system. The INF Treaty does not apply to sea-based or air-launched intermediate-range delivery vehicles.

Russia has been testing the SSC-8 for the past decade and it supposedly has a range of 2,500 kilometers, placing it clearly within the banned zone.

Second, Moscow is also working on a ballistic missile designated the RS-26. Although technically an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), that is, with a range greater than 5,500 kilometers, the RS-26 has been test-fired at distances of about 2,000 kilometers, potentially making it an INF weapon in disguise.
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More to the point, it is likely that the Trump administration is concerned more about the build-up of Chinese nuclear forces than it is about Russia. The INF Treaty applies only to the US and Russia, and China has been steadily expanding its stable of medium- and intermediate-range nuclear forces for decades.

More importantly, it has significantly built up its strategic nuclear forces, which now stands at about 50-60 ICBMs, particularly road-mobile, solid-fueled rockets.

The US argument inferred here is that Washington lacks the capacity to deploy countering nuclear forces closer to China and that it therefore needs ground-based INF in Asia.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-11/china-agenda-behind-trump-leaving-inf-treaty

Got that?  Russia can cheat and build up, China can build up...and America cannot be allowed to cheat, cannot be allowed to build and cannot be allowed to leave the INF!  Oh, and America is always wrong, must always surrender...and Trump is evil!

Yeah, that'll work...

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Re: Asia Times...not much better than NY Times...dreck is dreck - INF issue
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2018, 08:22:22 AM »
Yah, well, bullsh*te to that. 

We should not go looking for trouble or interfere in affairs that clearly do not adversely affect us, but we as a country need to be able to defend and project if necessary.  IOW, don't want no sh*te, don't start no sh*te.
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Re: Asia Times...not much better than NY Times...dreck is dreck - INF issue
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2018, 08:36:06 AM »
Amen!
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Re: Asia Times...not much better than NY Times...dreck is dreck - INF issue
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2018, 01:03:59 PM »
  As much as I agree with both of you we cannot forget that we have agreements with allies that will be taking a pounding long before it gets to us that we will back them.  We sell them down the river they can turn on us for their own safety.
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Re: Asia Times...not much better than NY Times...dreck is dreck - INF issue
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2018, 01:20:12 PM »
  As much as I agree with both of you we cannot forget that we have agreements with allies that will be taking a pounding long before it gets to us that we will back them.  We sell them down the river they can turn on us for their own safety.

Agreements with allies?  Which allies would those be, like Britain and Australia, two of the FiveEyes intel "community", that were part of the cabal spying on Trump from his campaign on to the Presidency?  Those allies?  Or France's Macron, who openly mocked and disparaged Trump's view of nationalism for us?

We need better, real allies, so, I'm guessing those agreements need to be redone as have our trade policies.
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Re: Asia Times...not much better than NY Times...dreck is dreck - INF issue
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2018, 05:32:42 PM »
  Poland right next to the Ukraine.  France don't care about UK I care.  Don't forget Obama was spying an them and got caught.
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Re: Asia Times...not much better than NY Times...dreck is dreck - INF issue
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2018, 09:24:34 PM »
Well, more power to ya; care all you want.
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Re: Asia Times...not much better than NY Times...dreck is dreck - INF issue
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2018, 11:39:35 AM »
  As much as I agree with both of you we cannot forget that we have agreements with allies that will be taking a pounding long before it gets to us that we will back them.  We sell them down the river they can turn on us for their own safety.

Agreements with allies?  Which allies would those be, like Britain and Australia, two of the FiveEyes intel "community", that were part of the cabal spying on Trump from his campaign on to the Presidency?  Those allies?  Or France's Macron, who openly mocked and disparaged Trump's view of nationalism for us?

We need better, real allies, so, I'm guessing those agreements need to be redone as have our trade policies.

Yup.

We're in a time of great fluidity...same old same old isn't going to cut it...and Progs claim (falsely) that conservatives are stuck in the past (only in terms of being guided by Our Founders and the principles and Judeo-Christian heritage they stood for) when it is they who want all manner of entanglements because of the stupid hope that they can rise together because nobody wants to die together...and because controlling each others populations actions and thoughts craddle to grave is the only way to ensure their survival as elites.
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Re: Asia Times...not much better than NY Times...dreck is dreck - INF issue
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2018, 12:34:32 PM »
Well, more power to ya; care all you want.


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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2018, 09:35:24 PM »
Well, more power to ya; care all you want.


  Pan we can't dump all of Europe.  they're the reason wars don't come here.

JF, no, not all; western Europe and Britain dumped us already, except for the hands Trump is prying out of our pockets; we will be better off, and making better allies, with Poland and Hungary, and maybe Italy.  I don't about the Czech Republic and a few others, but even Australia knifed us.

Tell me, please, how Europe is the reason wars don't come here.
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2018, 09:46:29 PM »
  Both WW were in Europe not here other than Pearl Harbor.   They take a pounding and we don't.
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Re: Asia Times...not much better than NY Times...dreck is dreck - INF issue
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2018, 06:44:01 AM »
So, we're supposed to keep them from killing each other, same as two other times, so they don't cross an ocean to come and kill us?

Yah, nope.
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Re: Asia Times...not much better than NY Times...dreck is dreck - INF issue
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2018, 08:14:09 AM »
We get ridiculed and vilified for bailing their asses out, spending billions rebuilding their countries and billions more every year protecting them from assholes they cave in to anyway...

Hard to see a payoff any more.

Western Europe especially...they cave to Islam and Russia, fine...they can be on their own.  Central Europe more sane than Western, ally with them but to a point.

Besides, if the ingrates in the West get invaded/taken over by whoever...all we have to do is keep them on their side of the ocean.
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