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Re: The Progressive War Against our Founding Christian tradition continues
« Reply #100 on: August 08, 2022, 06:47:15 AM »
As I start each day (feeding the dogs, grabbing coffee, preparing to run/exercise) I listen to Audio Bible on the Bible Gateway app.
Today, I was in 1 Timothy and, at the very end of the chapter, listened to this:

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1 Timothy 6: 20-21
20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

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For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but of power & of love and of calm, a well-balanced mind, discipline and self-control.

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Re: The Progressive War Against our Founding Christian tradition continues
« Reply #101 on: August 08, 2022, 08:03:21 AM »
I had some talking heads on in back ground. They reported on some Russia-China agreement that opposed the WEF goals They had some Putin quote on about upholding traditional values. OK, call it propaganda if you want but it is their official position. Putin is not afraid to utter the words. What is the official US position?

I remember when the Russians were Godless communists or at least called that.

Yeah...but leading-by-example Vlad and his several mistresses (at least 2 of whom have spawned illegitimate children) places their "traditional values" being not much different than the clowns in Washington DC and Hollywood etc!

 ::hysterical::

They're just not playing the woke game...all other games okie dokie!  ;)
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« Reply #102 on: August 08, 2022, 10:21:38 AM »
I had some talking heads on in back ground. They reported on some Russia-China agreement that opposed the WEF goals They had some Putin quote on about upholding traditional values. OK, call it propaganda if you want but it is their official position. Putin is not afraid to utter the words. What is the official US position?

I remember when the Russians were Godless communists or at least called that.

Yeah...but leading-by-example Vlad and his several mistresses (at least 2 of whom have spawned illegitimate children) places their "traditional values" being not much different than the clowns in Washington DC and Hollywood etc!

 ::hysterical::

They're just not playing the woke game...all other games okie dokie!  ;)

Yeah I know all that.
There is a difference between touting traditional values while cheating on your wife and refusing to even utter the words.
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Re: The Progressive War Against our Founding Christian tradition continues
« Reply #103 on: August 08, 2022, 12:14:37 PM »
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Re: The Progressive War Against our Founding Christian tradition continues
« Reply #104 on: August 08, 2022, 12:24:02 PM »
ymCa

The C must stand for Corrupt...deviants appear to have no leash in corrupting any child...

So inclusive...for only the deviants!!!

Yeah, no...tolerating that BS is how societies implode.

Clem needs to have the nozzle nipped!!!
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Re: The Progressive War Against our Founding Christian tradition continues
« Reply #105 on: August 11, 2022, 06:44:56 AM »
Whole Foods' John Mackey: 'I Feel Like Socialists Are Taking Over'
The 'conscious capitalism' innovator on overregulation, COVID mandates, and why he will be speaking his mind much more freely when he retires.

https://reason.com/podcast/2022/08/10/whole-foods-john-mackey-i-feel-like-socialists-are-taking-over/

Hmm . . . ya' think . . ?
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Re: The Progressive War Against our Founding Christian tradition continues
« Reply #106 on: August 11, 2022, 07:58:01 AM »
Feelings ain't got nothing to do with it,  It is a reality, thanks to feeble, feckless or non-existent opposition to the corruption of America...
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« Reply #107 on: August 16, 2022, 10:56:34 AM »
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... This sort of supernatural gaslighting should not surprise anyone who can still recall the warnings about the extent to which people will be deceived.

    The Bible has changed, this is not false memories or hundredth monkey syndrome. This is real, many people have the correct passage memorized, as we would expect from dedicated Christians. “The lion shall lay down with the lamb” is not, nor ever has been, the wolf. There is no mention of wolf in any of the lion and lamb passages in the bible except for in this incorrect reality in which we find ourselves.

    I have asked my Christian family members very specifically; what animal lays down with the lamb? My born again Christian brother in law who is an avid bible reader answered correctly, the Lion. He did not say wolf, wolf didn’t even cross his mind, wolf was the farthest animal from his mind and he was as surprised as us all that wolf is in place of lion. Lion is/was and always will be the correct answer.

    I then asked him, which books in the bible do you recall the lion laying down with the lamb in? To which, once again collaborating my own recall, he replied Revelation, Isaiah and possibly Daniel.

    I asked the same question to my mum, my brother and my sister. All of whom immediately said lion without hesitation. A Christian couple who my mum was staying with remember it being lion too.

    I even asked a random taxi driver this morning. He said lion. He had no recollection of a wolf. If wolf had ever been a thing (especially the primary symbol), then this layman taxi driver would have said wolf not lion. Wolf isn’t a thing, never has been. Not in the reality that you, me and the vast majority of people are actually from.

    Then this evening, on the way home, I asked another taxi driver, a Christian, she replied Lion, then she hesitated and said bear. She was confused when I told her that it was now a wolf. She said let me check my Arabic bible, she opened her glove box and pulled out her Arabic bible, it also reads wolf now in place of lion. She was shocked.

    What troubles me about that bible change is that the lion has been replaced with a wolf. The wolf represents the devil. So, the bibles in this reality now essentially say the devil will dwell with Jesus (the wolf will dwell with the lamb). You can see why that is disturbing?

However, it’s important to remember that while their demonic power is great, it is not all-encompassing, and while their cunning is formidable, they are not all-knowing nor are they beyond making obvious mistakes that reveal their deception.

For example, there is absolutely no chance that the Lion ever lay down with the Wolf. Not only do our memories of Scripture prove otherwise, but there are many examples to be found in the texts that they neglected to alter or of which they never knew. Consider, for example, this old text from a Jerry Pournelle collection which cites an older essay by the late, great science fiction editor John W. Campbell.

Read the rest if you like.  https://voxday.net/2022/08/15/the-mandela-affect-is-real/

Check your own Bibles -- Isaiah 11-6 is where to look.  Both of mine, printed in the 1980s, are wrong.  I'm not a reader of the Bible normally (I know, bad me) but I know, as the above people know, that the Lion lay down with the Lamb.  NOT THE WOLF.
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Re: The Progressive War Against our Founding Christian tradition continues
« Reply #108 on: August 16, 2022, 12:07:56 PM »
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... This sort of supernatural gaslighting should not surprise anyone who can still recall the warnings about the extent to which people will be deceived.

    The Bible has changed, this is not false memories or hundredth monkey syndrome. This is real, many people have the correct passage memorized, as we would expect from dedicated Christians. “The lion shall lay down with the lamb” is not, nor ever has been, the wolf. There is no mention of wolf in any of the lion and lamb passages in the bible except for in this incorrect reality in which we find ourselves.

    I have asked my Christian family members very specifically; what animal lays down with the lamb? My born again Christian brother in law who is an avid bible reader answered correctly, the Lion. He did not say wolf, wolf didn’t even cross his mind, wolf was the farthest animal from his mind and he was as surprised as us all that wolf is in place of lion. Lion is/was and always will be the correct answer.

    I then asked him, which books in the bible do you recall the lion laying down with the lamb in? To which, once again collaborating my own recall, he replied Revelation, Isaiah and possibly Daniel.

    I asked the same question to my mum, my brother and my sister. All of whom immediately said lion without hesitation. A Christian couple who my mum was staying with remember it being lion too.

    I even asked a random taxi driver this morning. He said lion. He had no recollection of a wolf. If wolf had ever been a thing (especially the primary symbol), then this layman taxi driver would have said wolf not lion. Wolf isn’t a thing, never has been. Not in the reality that you, me and the vast majority of people are actually from.

    Then this evening, on the way home, I asked another taxi driver, a Christian, she replied Lion, then she hesitated and said bear. She was confused when I told her that it was now a wolf. She said let me check my Arabic bible, she opened her glove box and pulled out her Arabic bible, it also reads wolf now in place of lion. She was shocked.

    What troubles me about that bible change is that the lion has been replaced with a wolf. The wolf represents the devil. So, the bibles in this reality now essentially say the devil will dwell with Jesus (the wolf will dwell with the lamb). You can see why that is disturbing?

However, it’s important to remember that while their demonic power is great, it is not all-encompassing, and while their cunning is formidable, they are not all-knowing nor are they beyond making obvious mistakes that reveal their deception.

For example, there is absolutely no chance that the Lion ever lay down with the Wolf. Not only do our memories of Scripture prove otherwise, but there are many examples to be found in the texts that they neglected to alter or of which they never knew. Consider, for example, this old text from a Jerry Pournelle collection which cites an older essay by the late, great science fiction editor John W. Campbell.

Read the rest if you like.  https://voxday.net/2022/08/15/the-mandela-affect-is-real/

Check your own Bibles -- Isaiah 11-6 is where to look.  Both of mine, printed in the 1980s, are wrong.  I'm not a reader of the Bible normally (I know, bad me) but I know, as the above people know, that the Lion lay down with the Lamb.  NOT THE WOLF.

You sure about this?  Where is the reference to a Wolf = Devil?  I thought the serpent was?  Wolf and sheep (lamb) is an old pairing in human minds (wolf in sheep's clothing - Matt 10:16)...though lion does denote royalty...

My Tyndale study Bible says wolf (last printed 1980)...my 1599 Geneva Bible says wolf (printed 2006-2012)...the latter commentary on the translation indicates the emphasis is upon the lamb influencing the other beasts (representing man) and changing their affections...it's not the beasts corrupting the lamb.

If a lion (royalty) does a noble being humbled by the lamb make more or less sense than humbling a wolf?

FWIW - https://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-qa/qa-archives/question/did-isaiah-116-once-say-lion-shall-lie-down-with-lamb/


Serpent.

In Revelations, the dragon.

Belial in 2 Corinthians, often associated with Baal.

Beelzebub in the Gospels, the chief of devils...(lord of the flies, fly demon).

Apollyon in Rev 9:11, king of demons, the angel of the bottomless pit, latter artists depict him as more dragon-like.

None of the above is depicted or described in mythology as being a wolf.

These may be all the "wolf" references...and Isaiah 65:25 reads like mine, sans "bullock" for "ox" in my Geneva Bible...and the part about the serpent eating dust seems to point the finger consistently:

30 Bible Verses about
Wolf
 
Matthew 7:15 ESV / 93 helpful votes
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Isaiah 65:25 ESV / 75 helpful votes
The wolf and the lamb shall graze together; the lion shall eat straw like the ox, and dust shall be the serpent's food. They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain,” says the Lord.

Luke 10:3 ESV / 59 helpful votes
Go your way; behold, I am sending you out as lambs in the midst of wolves.

Isaiah 11:6-9 ESV / 51 helpful votes
The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den. They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.

John 10:12 ESV / 37 helpful votes
He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them.

Matthew 10:16 ESV / 34 helpful votes
“Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.

Acts 20:29 ESV / 32 helpful votes
I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;

Genesis 49:27 ESV / 31 helpful votes
“Benjamin is a ravenous wolf, in the morning devouring the prey and at evening dividing the spoil.”

Zephaniah 3:3 ESV / 18 helpful votes
Her officials within her are roaring lions; her judges are evening wolves that leave nothing till the morning.

Habakkuk 1:8 ESV / 16 helpful votes
Their horses are swifter than leopards, more fierce than the evening wolves; their horsemen press proudly on. Their horsemen come from afar; they fly like an eagle swift to devour.

Jeremiah 5:6 ESV / 10 helpful votes
Therefore a lion from the forest shall strike them down; a wolf from the desert shall devastate them. A leopard is watching their cities; everyone who goes out of them shall be torn in pieces, because their transgressions are many, their apostasies are great.

Ezekiel 22:25-29 ESV / 5 helpful votes
The conspiracy of her prophets in her midst is like a roaring lion tearing the prey; they have devoured human lives; they have taken treasure and precious things; they have made many widows in her midst. Her priests have done violence to my law and have profaned my holy things. They have made no distinction between the holy and the common, neither have they taught the difference between the unclean and the clean, and they have disregarded my Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them. Her princes in her midst are like wolves tearing the prey, shedding blood, destroying lives to get dishonest gain. And her prophets have smeared whitewash for them, seeing false visions and divining lies for them, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord God,’ when the Lord has not spoken. The people of the land have practiced extortion and committed robbery. They have oppressed the poor and needy, and have extorted from the sojourner without justice.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/wolf
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Re: The Progressive War Against our Founding Christian tradition continues
« Reply #109 on: August 16, 2022, 12:19:56 PM »
So, then, contrary to your multiple quotes, how is it when people are asked, they answer "Lion lay down with Lamb"?!

Most people somehow got it wrong, generations of us?!  I'm not buying it.
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Re: The Progressive War Against our Founding Christian tradition continues
« Reply #110 on: August 16, 2022, 12:37:33 PM »
Because they really don't read their bible. Lib is correct in his Isaiah quote per our bible.

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Re: The Progressive War Against our Founding Christian tradition continues
« Reply #111 on: August 16, 2022, 12:53:15 PM »
I think it may be a human brain association thing...

L's

Lion

Lamb

Plus, from a predator/prey standpoint it's always wolves and sheep, Lions and oxen (large grazering ungulates)...

I say human brain thang.
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Re: The Progressive War Against our Founding Christian tradition continues
« Reply #112 on: October 09, 2022, 11:19:08 AM »
Cannot destroy the family without perverting the kids...

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/tierin-rose-mandelburg/2022/10/07/number-trans-youth-2021-70-2020-9-reasons-why-media

...the DemoCommies and sundry perverts and deviants behind this are doing Satan's work on Earth...

...they all need to be sent back to Hell!!!

Gender is easy, Our Creator made it so...



Only sick twisted evil people want to make it seem complicated...
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Re: The Progressive War Against our Founding Christian tradition continues
« Reply #113 on: October 09, 2022, 12:20:53 PM »

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Re: The Progressive War Against our Founding Christian tradition continues
« Reply #114 on: October 26, 2022, 12:38:31 PM »

H/T-WZ
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Re: The Progressive War Against our Founding Christian tradition continues
« Reply #116 on: December 05, 2022, 05:04:11 PM »
God is NOT DEAD!  And will not be mocked.
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Re: The Progressive War Against our Founding Christian tradition continues
« Reply #117 on: April 10, 2023, 10:10:22 PM »
Missed this initially -- a friend just emailed me:

Archdiocese blasts Walter Reed after 'cease and desist' to priests ahead of Holy Week

Walter Reed National Military Medical Center is receiving backlash after it ended its contract for pastoral care and directed a "cease and desist order" to a community of Franciscan Catholic priests and friars at Holy Name College on March 31, days before Holy Week.

The priests had spent the last two decades ministering to U.S. military personnel, veterans, and their beneficiaries at the medical center.

CATHOLIC LEAGUE CONDEMNS FBI INTERNAL MEMO TARGETING CATHOLICS

“It is incomprehensible that essential pastoral care is taken away from the sick and the aged when it was so readily available,” Archbishop Timothy P. Broglio, the head of the Archdiocese for the Military Services, said in a statement on Good Friday.

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Re: The Progressive War Against our Founding Christian tradition continues
« Reply #118 on: April 11, 2023, 08:19:24 AM »
Must be authentic Catholics and not cafeteria/apostate Catholics...otherwise they would not be targeted by demonic totalitarian filth...
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