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Liquid Metal Battery
« on: February 16, 2019, 08:17:28 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxegcZqx_8

Oh I hope they can bring this to market. 
This is a game changer if it all works

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Re: Liquid Metal Battery
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2019, 02:45:37 PM »
About time pointy-headed folks come up with something useful.

This is from over 2 years ago and the Ambri outfit (name change included) is over 8 years old and I don't remember hearing anything about this. 

I like the idea, use readily available materials, avoid the instability issues of things like lithium-ion.

Became suspicious of why this hasn't rocketed off as a practical solution.

Did some digging, not a lot out there, but about a year before this presentation, Ambri cut a quarter of their staff and pushed back commercial sales, largely due to a seal problem on their units, and then there is this this article from last August that says they are still pursing their energy storage plans and their revised target of units for 2018 have been kicked to 2020.  And, as stated in the article they are having traction issues since there isn't at present much demand for or providers of long term battery storage units (ironically due to the former).  Other players have pretty much fizzled out so they are the most viable option in this alternative storage world and are more guarded about their materials formula now.  It may yet pan out, and as more fragility in the existing grid is exposed (we are long overdue for a major upgrade in the whole transmission!) it may jump start demand and provide more capital in-flow to ramp it up, but as long as the existing grid holds up and doesn't get more expensive there will be little impetus to alter thinking and behavior.  Actually knowing things are fragile and could leave you floundering in catastrophe without a better backup plan than daisy-chaining gas-fed generators is the right time to plan contingencies if for no other reason than survival, but there you are.
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Re: Liquid Metal Battery
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2019, 04:15:18 PM »

Thanks for the post.
I hope it works.
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Re: Liquid Metal Battery
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2019, 09:13:01 PM »

 And, as stated in the article they are having traction issues since there isn't at present much demand for or providers of long term battery storage units (ironically due to the former).  Other players have pretty much fizzled out so they are the most viable option in this alternative storage world and are more guarded about their materials formula now.

Well bottom line,  they can't sell this easily because of regulation - transport can't "generate' and the scale is usch tat each neighborhood  would need its own power company.

Ultimately unless they sell direct to the consumer or bribe their  way in, this will probably go nowhere. The powerful don't want solar to actually work.. that would make us less dependent on oil, the petro dollar would suffer and  homes would keep falling off the grid.. Powers that be are very happy with the status quo.

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Re: Liquid Metal Battery
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2019, 07:13:33 AM »

 And, as stated in the article they are having traction issues since there isn't at present much demand for or providers of long term battery storage units (ironically due to the former).  Other players have pretty much fizzled out so they are the most viable option in this alternative storage world and are more guarded about their materials formula now.

Well bottom line,  they can't sell this easily because of regulation - transport can't "generate' and the scale is usch tat each neighborhood  would need its own power company.

Ultimately unless they sell direct to the consumer or bribe their  way in, this will probably go nowhere. The powerful don't want solar to actually work.. that would make us less dependent on oil, the petro dollar would suffer and  homes would keep falling off the grid.. Powers that be are very happy with the status quo.

Normally I would agree, and I do but only in part.  In trying to penetrate a commercial market I can see the PTBs being a little threatened by this, but it really shouldn't be that big a deal because it isn't a significant threat, not in the short or intermediate term...long term perhaps, but the long-term is a long way off and who knows what miracle of luck and or science happens between then and now to render perhaps all known ideas and methods moot?  If marketed toward the off-grid community then I think they could make a go of it, but that doesn't seem to appeal to the scale they are after and that the investors want.  And either way there is the usually corruption and selfishness to navigate, so greasing the right political/regulatory/legal assistance that can make it a reality will have to be engaged.  Or, you can go renegade, underground, black market.  I'm in growing favor of the latter, never too early to get a jump on the future!
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Re: Liquid Metal Battery
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2019, 07:39:40 PM »
I didn’t want to start an entirely new thread over this - but just got 2 of these in today’s mail: a water resistant, portable Solar/AC charging battery with 2 USB ports (charges any phone, iPad, Bluetooth speaker or device & laptop) + a flashlight. I figure it handy on vacation, day-tripping or during power outages.

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Re: Liquid Metal Battery
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2019, 09:08:26 PM »
Hmmmm ....... handy.

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Re: Liquid Metal Battery
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2019, 10:02:16 PM »
Thank you.
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Re: Liquid Metal Battery
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2019, 05:37:54 AM »
300,000 mAh?  These things have grown a little bit since I bought one.   :o

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Re: Liquid Metal Battery
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2019, 06:40:58 AM »
Well, some reviewers say the 300,000mHa is overstated.

Can't remember what I have...fold-out unit about twice those dimensions...don't think it is waterproof but water-resistant.
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