Topic: Ben Shapiro on Jesus Christ

[Pandora]

BS: From a Jewish point of view, where we don't believe in the divinity of Christ. There you can make an argument, that the Gospels which were written significantly-

JR: He was just a prophet.

BS: No, no, no. We don't even think he was a prophet.

JR: What do you think he was? What do you guys think he was?

BS: Well, I, I, I, what do I think he was historically? I think he was a Jew who tried to lead a revolt against the Romans and got killed for his trouble. Just like a lot of other Jews at that time who tried to lead revolts against the Romans and got killed for their trouble.

JR: So he became legend, and story, and it became a bigger and bigger deal as time went on.

BS: Yeah, he had a group of followers and that gradually grew.

JR: Do you think he was resurrected?

BS: No. That's not a Jewish belief.

JR: Okay. I just wanted to check.

BS: We're not into miracle stories, no. That's not.

JR: You don't have any miracles?

BS: Not by Jesus. There was in the Old Testament. Yeah, you've got Moses splitting the sea and all that.

JR: What do you think happened there?

BS: What do I think happened there? I'll go with my Maimonidean explanation. There was, it says in the Bible, there was a strong east wind. So there was a naturalistic explanation for a physical phenomenon.

JR: That makes sense.

BS: That's what Maimonides is constantly trying to do.


Big Bear sums up Shapiro and the so-called conservatives who are foolish enough to support him against the interests of their nation, their families, and their faith in a succinct manner: If you're a Christian and you just heard that and you ever support him again, you're a liar, you're a satanist, and you're evil.

The inescapable historical fact is that Muslims have FAR more in common with Christians than Jews do. It is considerably more accurate to talk about shared Islamo-Christian values than Judeo-Christian values. Notice that Shapiro's Maimonidean answer about Jesus Christ is very, very different than even the non-believers of Jesus's day, as well as being very different from whom we believe Jesus Christ to be.

When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
- Matthew 16:13-17

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/06/ben-shapiro-on-jesus-christ.html

America was founded on Christian principles.  There is no such thing as Judeo-Christian.

[Alphabet Soup]

BS (aptly identified) is entitled to his opinions. However, it is telling that the more he expresses them the more distance I put between us.

[Alphabet Soup]

Oh, and ain't it interesting that at least the muzzies regard JC as a prophet and Judaism (according to BS) doesn't even afford him that level of regard.

Shades of "Some people did something"

[WilliamVA]

So he follows the teachings of Maimonides, a jewish philosopher from 1100 years after
Christ.   The philosopher who dealt only in Judaic truth, while residing under the hammer
of a Islamic Sultanate.   Personally, I feel we borrowed from Judaism, only to the point
where Christ declared the Torah and Prophesies fulfilled.  Christianity left Judaism behind,
Judaism's apostate offspring is Islam.   

Shapiro is a relatively good conservative politician, leave it at that. Actually a little whiney voiced
if you ask me.

[paulh]

Didn't know he was a politician, radio host that talks too fast yes.

[Pandora]

So he follows the teachings of Maimonides, a jewish philosopher from 1100 years after
Christ.   The philosopher who dealt only in Judaic truth, while residing under the hammer
of a Islamic Sultanate.   Personally, I feel we borrowed from Judaism, only to the point
where Christ declared the Torah and Prophesies fulfilled.  Christianity left Judaism behind,
Judaism's apostate offspring is Islam.   

Shapiro is a relatively good conservative politician, leave it at that. Actually a little whiney voiced
if you ask me.

I realize you wrote "relatively good", but he is definitely not and not conservative.  He's a gatekeeper of the progressive "Right", decrying White identity politics while wearing his own Identity, at all times, loud and clear on his head, while punching Right too much of the time.

[WilliamVA]

So he follows the teachings of Maimonides, a jewish philosopher from 1100 years after
Christ.   The philosopher who dealt only in Judaic truth, while residing under the hammer
of a Islamic Sultanate.   Personally, I feel we borrowed from Judaism, only to the point
where Christ declared the Torah and Prophesies fulfilled.  Christianity left Judaism behind,
Judaism's apostate offspring is Islam.   

Shapiro is a relatively good conservative politician, leave it at that. Actually a little whiney voiced
if you ask me.

I realize you wrote "relatively good", but he is definitely not and not conservative.  He's a gatekeeper of the progressive "Right", decrying White identity politics wh

I agree, he is a ?never Trumper",  still further to the right then the Dims.  Still, I can't sit and listen to him whine,
boring.  I wonder if he lost the propellor to his beanie?   

[WilliamVA]

Didn't know he was a politician, radio host that talks too fast yes.

In my book if all they can talk is politics, then their politicians, just not candidates.
I list Tucker Carlson alongside him.  Carlson appears to be pro Trump, however....he is a libertarian.

[John Florida]

  I would like to read the article "Jesus Christ on Ben Shapiro"   

[Libertas]

  I would like to read the article "Jesus Christ on Ben Shapiro"   

 

[AlanS]

The inescapable historical fact is that Muslims have FAR more in common with Christians than Jews do.

Things that make me go WTF?

[Syzygy]

  BS: Well, I, I, I, what do I think he was historically? I think he was a Jew who tried to lead a revolt against the Romans and got killed for his trouble. Just like a lot of other Jews at that time who tried to lead revolts against the Romans and got killed for their trouble. 

But,  but,  but,....
___________
Mark 12:17
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. ...
____________

Try again,  Ben.

[Pablo de Fleurs]

It was the exact opposite, Benjamin: it was expected of the Jews that Christ/Messiah would come to lead a physical revolt against Rome. When they saw that wasn't the plan & that His teachings undermined the Pharisees' own power, they (not Rome) began a plot to kill him.

[IronDioPriest]

It was the exact opposite, Benjamin: it was expected of the Jews that Christ/Messiah would come to lead a physical revolt against Rome. When they saw that wasn't the plan & that His teachings undermined the Pharisees' own power, they (not Rome) began a plot to kill him.

^^^THIS^^^

[IronDioPriest]

Shapiro is a sharp kid. I consider him to be a not insignificant voice in the war against Leftism and radical Islam. I agree with him occasionally, disagree with him often, but I think it’s better to have his voice out there than not. I disagree with his opinion here, obviously.

I also disagree that there’s no such thing as Judeo-Christian. The Jews are God’s chosen people. The history and destiny of Christiandom is inextricably intertwined with the Jewish people. Given that our Christian New Testament is the fulfillment of the Jewish Old Testament, our theology is commonly rooted in worship of Jehovah. Our Biblical future is tied to the Jews. The unfolding saga of the Jewish people and the state of Israel is a part of the prophesy heralding the return of Jesus Christ. Jews and Israel are our natural philosophical/theological allies, and have been since long before our nation’s founding.

[Pandora]

Shapiro is a sharp kid. I consider him to be a not insignificant voice in the war against Leftism and radical Islam. I agree with him occasionally, disagree with him often, but I think it’s better to have his voice out there than not. I disagree with his opinion here, obviously.

I also disagree that there’s no such thing as Judeo-Christian. The Jews are God’s chosen people. The history and destiny of Christiandom is inextricably intertwined with the Jewish people. Given that our Christian New Testament is the fulfillment of the Jewish Old Testament, our theology is commonly rooted in worship of Jehovah. Our Biblical future is tied to the Jews. The unfolding saga of the Jewish people and the state of Israel is a part of the prophesy heralding the return of Jesus Christ. Jews and Israel are our natural philosophical/theological allies, and have been since long before our nation’s founding.

No, they're not.

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The big mental shift most "Conservatives" have to make is breaking away from the term "Judeo-Christian," which is a lie they've been sold for the past five decades.

Because frankly, "Judeo-Christianity" doesn't exist anywhere on planet earth. There aren't "Judeo-Christian" churches. No one converts to "Judeo-Christianity."

You either choose to be a Christian, or you choose to be Jewish. And the difference is only centered around our response to the identity of arguably the most important figure in all of human history:

Either you believe Jesus was the Theánthropos, the God-man, literally God taking on flesh and becoming incarnate to right the wrongs of the world...

Or you believe he was, as in the words of Ben Shapiro, "a rebel who got killed for his trouble." An inconsequential footnote in history, as the real plan marches on.

There's no way around this: these are fundamentally mutually exclusive ideas. Forget everything else for a moment. THIS is the most important argument.

Because THIS is the foundation of Western Civilization.

"Judeo-Christianity" didn't exist prior to 1900, and is nothing more than an attempt to redefine Western Civilization. It's as idiotic as saying Islamo-Christianity.

Ah, but now you see it! All they've done is join two words together that have little-to-nothing else in common, in order to take your eyes off Christ, and put your focus elsewhere.

Is it any surprise that since Conservatives adopted the "Judeo-Christian" lie, and as we've taken our eyes off Christ, we've become weakened from the inside-out? Is it any wonder pornography has taken off, and now the media age to first exposure for boys is 11? (I was 12, personally, when I was first exposed to it). Is it any wonder we have Drag Queen story hour? Is it any wonder we can't maintain a border (which is, in itself, a reflection of the strength of our people)?

The dissident right often uses the term "Degeneracy" to describe the social ills we see, but the the truth is this: You're always on a trajectory.

Either that trajectory is Regenerate.

Or it's Degenerate.

The West was fundamentally made great because of its Christ-consciousness. It was the *FIRST* society to be utterly exposed and permeated by Christ-consciousness. It will not be, and should not be the last. (Imagine what China would look like, if permeated by Christ-consciousness), and now the enemies of the West wish to DEGENERATE society, and increase their own wealth/relevance/importance by casting a spell over us and making us forget this fundamental reality.
Nov 18, 2019, 12:45

https://gab.com/NeonRevolt/posts/103160160989629948

[Libertas]

It's as idiotic as saying Islamo-Christianity.

That is idiotic.  And I get it.  I also understand how we allow ourselves to assume benevolence in something we do not perceive as a threat to what we believe and adopt it while still technically committing the same error as others we would condemn.

I think a better way to put it is...I have sympathy for our authentically Jewish friends especially those in Israel, and allies like Bibi...limo-liberal Jews that kiss Islamic butts and like socialism...they are traitors to Jews, like apostate Christian churches are traitors to Christ and His true followers.

[Pandora]

It's as idiotic as saying Islamo-Christianity.

That is idiotic.  And I get it.  I also understand how we allow ourselves to assume benevolence in something we do not perceive as a threat to what we believe and adopt it while still technically committing the same error as others we would condemn.

I think a better way to put it is...I have sympathy for our authentically Jewish friends especially those in Israel, and allies like Bibi...limo-liberal Jews that kiss Islamic butts and like socialism...they are traitors to Jews, like apostate Christian churches are traitors to Christ and His true followers.

My previous post was not aimed at you, Libertas, it was intended to make my belief as straightforward as possible, using someone else's  words.  Jews do not claim Jesus Christ as their own, we Christians do, and therein lies the schism.

I have sympathy for Israel as well, but I'd rather hear more "America First" than "rah-rah Israel" from the likes of Mark Levin, particularly since Trump moved our Embassy.  I do not care about any who are traitors to Jews, be they Jews themselves or not; they are for other Jews to concern themselves with.

I see outspoken Jews identifying as Jews first, while declaiming "identity politics" for White people, like Benny Shapiro has done so while wearing his little beanie "identifier":  solidarity for me but not for thee.

White folks in this country had better wake the hell up.