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Red Flag Laws and Mistaken Identity - Happens in Florida
« on: August 19, 2019, 10:15:10 PM »
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This story didn't make the two local papers or any other local source I see, so we go to the AmmoLand newsletter today.  A St. Cloud (Florida) man had his firearms confiscated and his rights revoked because he has the same name as someone else.

    Last Wednesday, Jonathan Carpenter of Osceola County, Florida was sitting at home when a mail carrier knocked on his front door.

    The postal carrier had Carpenter signed for a certified letter from the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. Carpenter signed for it, but he was confused because he was not expecting anything from the state. He quickly opened it and was floored.

    The Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services was notifying him that they have suspended his concealed handgun permit.

        “On or about August 12th, 2019 in Osceola County, Florida, an injunction was entered restraining you from acts of domestic violence or acts of repeat violations,” the notice read.

Carpenter was shocked and confused.  What seems to have happened next is he dove right into the hornet's nest.  An innocent man who believes in the goodness and fairness of the system would do that.

    Figuring it was a mistake, Carpenter called the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services to clear things up since he has never committed domestic violence against anyone. The representative told him he had to get a form from the Clerk of the Courts saying that there weren't any actions against him.

Of course they did.  When he went to the Clerk of the Courts, he was told there was an injunction against a Jonathon Edward Carpenter - a resident of a different address.  Carpenter told the agent he was not that person, had never lived at that address and had never been accused of any domestic violence.  That person directed him to the Osceola County Sheriff's office to clear things up.  Still thinking the state was just confused rather than malevolent, he went to the Sheriff's office.  He thought he could clear things up.

Not quite.

    The Sheriff’s office supplied Carpenter with a copy of the injunction. In the statement, the plaintiff stated that she rented a room out to a “Jonathan Edward Carpenter” and his girlfriend. She alleged that this Carpenter was a drug dealer who broke her furniture and sold her belongings without her permission. He had a gun, and she feared for her life. She was not sure if the firearm was legal or not.

    Carpenter had never met the woman in question and never lived at the address listed in the restraining order. Moreover, other than being white, he looked nothing like the man the terrorized the woman.

    The man in question is 5'8. Carpenter is 5'11. The alleged drug dealer is 110lbs. Carpenter is over 200. The man has black hair. Carpenter is completely bald. Last but not least, the man in question is covered in tattoos, and Carpenter only has a few.

    It was apparent that the police had the wrong man, but Carpenter was in for his biggest shock yet. The Sheriff’s office told Carpenter he had to surrender his guns. Carpenter never even had as much as a hearing, yet he was losing his rights.

And this is where the system springs its "trap"; more accurately, this is where the system shows it  doesn't care the least little bit that they have the right person, they just "got someone".   It's where the reputation for putting innocent people in jail (or worse) comes from.  The Osceola County Sheriff's Office doesn't think the obvious differences in appearances and histories between the man in front of them and the accused is enough for them to say, "oops, they sent the letter to the wrong dude.  Sorry.  No hard feelings."  They should be saying, "here's a few bucks for your trouble"; instead, this is going to cost Carpenter a lot of money to get back property and a life he should have never been deprived of.

And this is why we hate Red Flag Laws, aka Extreme Protection Orders. Guilty until proven innocent.  No due process.  No protections.  Just a stupid mistake causes innocent people financial ruin to put their lives back.

How did it come to be? According to the AmmoLand news,

    A police officer I spoke to off the record thinks that the courts ran a check for a Jonathan Edward Carpenter with a concealed carry permit. Although he could not tell me for sure, he thinks that is what happened in this particular case. He did say that this is a common practice.

Seems very plausible that the abomination passed last year would automate this.  A warrant for someone on domestic abuse gets filed and it automatically generates a check to see if that name is associated with a CWFL; if it is, the Red Flag is automatically thrown. 

Meanwhile, Carpenter has to wait until August 27th to begin the legal proceedings to get his guns back.

https://thesilicongraybeard.blogspot.com/2019/08/red-flag-laws-and-mistaken-identity.html  via  http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2019/08/red-flag-laws-no-quarter-given-nor.html
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Re: Red Flag Laws and Mistaken Identity - Happens in Florida
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2019, 07:14:03 AM »
This is how tyranny begins, and how revolutions are precipitated!  And LEO's going along with this bullshyt with blinders on are no different than Stalin's goons, Hitler's Gestapo, Mao's minions or any of them!  And assholes like Peter King and his CFR/CoC DeepState cucks are all modern day Loyalists/Tories and Liberty Poles and worse will be their just reward!!!

And in the growing oppression such grotesquely obscene events like pAntifa terrorists are sheltered by DeepState obedient authorities and those opposing them in the streets will be persecuted by The Statists...where else have we seen this - "The victims in the case were never identified, and antifa refused to cooperate with the investigation."?  Brownshirts maybe?

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Re: Red Flag Laws and Mistaken Identity - Happens in Florida
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2019, 02:35:45 PM »

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Re: Red Flag Laws and Mistaken Identity - Happens in Florida
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2019, 02:34:43 PM »
The law as of today here ::outrage::

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Re: Red Flag Laws and Mistaken Identity - Happens in Florida
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2019, 04:47:46 PM »
This is going to get people killed...which I presume is their intent.
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Re: Red Flag Laws and Mistaken Identity - Happens in Florida
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2019, 07:58:09 AM »
Interesting...the obvious never gets air time...RedFlag laws are racist!  Demofascti REFUSE to apply to gangs...and in these big urban demofascist run shytholes is where the vast majority of gun-related (not lawful gun-owner related!) murders occur!  So, their aim is clear - disarm white America!

https://vdare.com/posts/it-s-all-about-disarming-white-america-democrats-refuse-to-use-red-flag-laws-on-gang-databases-because-racism

They want not only white America disarmed...they want them easier to rob, easier to rape and easier to kill...and for demofascisti, they will be easier to deny them all God-given rights!

Eff that noise!  NOT going to happen!  Ever!
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Re: Red Flag Laws and Mistaken Identity - Happens in Florida
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2019, 08:32:25 AM »
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/dan-crenshaw-threatens-america-first-students-at-campus-event-you-are-being-filmed-and-youre-going-to-regret-this/

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Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-TX) appeared at the Arizona State University (ASU) campus on Friday where a raucous audience challenged Crenshaw on many of his stances.

Crenshaw began to get chippy with attendees when individuals felt that questions were being cherry-picked, as they were during a recent Ben Shapiro speech at Stanford University. This is when Crenshaw started showing his contempt toward the students on campus who had the audacity to push back against the legislator.

Read the rest -- this guy is a totalitarian infiltrator ............
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Re: Red Flag Laws and Mistaken Identity - Happens in Florida
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2019, 12:10:52 PM »
The "you better watch what you say, you'll regret it" crap is a bit chilling and reminiscent of both Communist & National Socialism's hatred of free thought, free expression and free speech.

It is hard to point to any one statement he has made as a clear "ah ha" identification of core beliefs because when you gather them all and look at them he is literally all over the place.  Certainly a man of his age and experience have a grip on what drives him...and perhaps it is expressing his beliefs he struggles with logistically. 

If I had to hazard a guess, I think he may be a bit overly jaundiced, whatever happened to him caused him to see the world as largely unchangeable in terms of The State, The Institutions, The Globalists and The People...his admonishments to my ear have an undertone of resignation to them, like the battle we and for the most part President Trump have been waging against the DeepState and its plethora of parasites in most all political parties is futile, that the mess we have now is the best it can be...and all the while he is unconcerned with the mess being made worse if hardcore statists become more dominant and unchecked.  I find this capitulation horrifying...and cowardly!  Never surrender, never give up, never stop fighting!  I cannot think of throwing in the towel, but this guy seems to have done it quite casually.

He is lost, he is not to be trusted.
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Re: Red Flag Laws and Mistaken Identity - Happens in Florida
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2019, 02:13:01 PM »
Yeah, Crenshaw is a disappointment.

I'm not sure if he is confused, self-deluded, or a garden-variety fraud. As Libertas points out he's all over the map in his rhetoric. That indicates not being comfortable with his talking points. But it could also be not familiar with his talking points. He wouldn't be the first guy to have issues expressing himself! Unfortunately (for him), his attitude on red-flag laws was a disqualifier. There isn't much that he can do or say at this point to redeem himself.

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Re: Red Flag Laws and Mistaken Identity - Happens in Florida
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2019, 12:07:23 PM »
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/red-flag-insanity-doctor-snitches-to-authorities-to-have-patients-guns-confiscated-in-new-jersey/

Like that good advice "don't say anything to the police"...same for Doc's...commie-rat-bastards been grooming them for Big Brother tyranny...Red Flag BS is the last act before confiscation and camps!
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Re: Red Flag Laws and Mistaken Identity - Happens in Florida
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2019, 12:46:57 PM »
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Re: Red Flag Laws and Mistaken Identity - Happens in Florida
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2019, 12:53:46 PM »
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/red-flag-insanity-doctor-snitches-to-authorities-to-have-patients-guns-confiscated-in-new-jersey/

Like that good advice "don't say anything to the police"...same for Doc's...commie-rat-bastards been grooming them for Big Brother tyranny...Red Flag BS is the last act before confiscation and camps!

If he should choose to exact revenge against the doctor I hope he has the good taste to use a machete.

Just sayin...

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Re: Red Flag Laws and Mistaken Identity - Happens in Florida
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2019, 07:10:02 AM »
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/red-flag-insanity-doctor-snitches-to-authorities-to-have-patients-guns-confiscated-in-new-jersey/

Like that good advice "don't say anything to the police"...same for Doc's...commie-rat-bastards been grooming them for Big Brother tyranny...Red Flag BS is the last act before confiscation and camps!

If he should choose to exact revenge against the doctor I hope he has the good taste to use a machete.

Just sayin...

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