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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #60 on: October 26, 2021, 08:25:26 AM »
 ::outrage::

So sick of these infantile EuroSocialist spoiled brats!

Trump made a few mistakes...trusting any career stooge like Wray, Barr et al, not pardoning Assange, not sacking Pence and not unilaterally removing us from the effing Euro brats!!!

Thus there's a desire for a more independent force that can deploy rapidly without seeking broader US and NATO approval first, or going through NATO hurdles.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/germany-launch-eu-wide-military-force-more-european-states-frustrated-afghan-debacle

Lousy  ::cussing::   ::cussing::  low-life lazy  ::cussing::   ::cussing::  bastards!

Stand on your own...end NATO!!!

But no, why would they with a DeepState puppet like JoeFraud and his masters powerless to stop them...those fusterclucks do not care if they are used and end-runned...they think this is swell, probably think somehow this enhances their shadow power...

This is the worst nightmare...the seemingly endless slow-motion circling of the drain on so very many fronts...nothing able to stop the inevitable...

THIS SUCKS!!!
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #61 on: October 27, 2021, 11:48:18 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/moscow-outraged-after-german-defense-minister-advocates-first-use-nuke-policy-against

Don't care...and no different from all other cold war holdover strategies that have not changed one iota...

And...to be clear...if America GTFO of NATO...no American nukes...Euro's would have to threaten with their own sh!t!   :D
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #62 on: October 27, 2021, 12:37:32 PM »

China violated the agreement with Hong Kong, took over Tibet, took over parts of the South China Sea, and threatens to invade Taiwan.
Russia abandoned communism and withdrew their armed forces East.

BUT Russia, Russia, Russia........
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #63 on: October 27, 2021, 03:32:07 PM »
Yeah, but why they partner with Communist China, Iran, Syria, Venezuela...heck they are still Cuba's #1 creditor and talked of whipping their debt clean, but getting cheap offshore oil leases there and nickel mining may have something to do with it...

Right/wrong/indifferent...they make it too easy for people who want to bash them to bash them...

They never partner with sane people (not counting Euro's who deserve to get bent over on energy...)...

So, as much as people here are stuck on the cold war...it's no different with them and proxies they are paid to support with goods and services (credit, tech and weapons)...

No Saints anywhere...ZERO.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #64 on: October 27, 2021, 05:15:43 PM »
Yeah, but why they partner with Communist China, Iran, Syria, Venezuela...heck they are still Cuba's #1 creditor and talked of whipping their debt clean, but getting cheap offshore oil leases there and nickel mining may have something to do with it...

Right/wrong/indifferent...they make it too easy for people who want to bash them to bash them...

They never partner with sane people (not counting Euro's who deserve to get bent over on energy...)...

So, as much as people here are stuck on the cold war...it's no different with them and proxies they are paid to support with goods and services (credit, tech and weapons)...

No Saints anywhere...ZERO.

I do not know of their reasons for all countries. I think they mostly ditched support for Cuba but like to have a place to dock the occasional war ship, when they venture that far from home. I recall they stopped giving subsidized oil to Cuba.

China was not their first choice as an ally. They wanted to be part of Europe but that would remove them as an enemy giving NATO a reason to exist.  Then there was  Russia gate and Ukraine gate, and trying to sabotage the gas pipeline at the last minute. Russia is now a conservative Christian nation.

I know they did not want an ISIS run nation in Syria so close to home as that would spill over into countries near Russia. Russia and Iran, not the US, fought ISIS BTW. The US, according to John Kerry, was happy to see ISIS advance on Damascus.

Some people who ID as progressives thought that Russia gate and Ukraine gate were a joke and a waste of time.  They were pissed that the Dems wasted years on that instead of pushing progressive agendas.
Kim Iversen and the Moderate Rebels/Grayzone guys come to mind.

BTW Katy Halper and Matt Taibbi were fired by Rolling Stone as the "Useful Idiots" because they dared to question the propaganda that Assad was evil and should be deposed.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #65 on: October 28, 2021, 08:46:40 AM »
Yeah, but why they partner with Communist China, Iran, Syria, Venezuela...heck they are still Cuba's #1 creditor and talked of whipping their debt clean, but getting cheap offshore oil leases there and nickel mining may have something to do with it...

Right/wrong/indifferent...they make it too easy for people who want to bash them to bash them...

They never partner with sane people (not counting Euro's who deserve to get bent over on energy...)...

So, as much as people here are stuck on the cold war...it's no different with them and proxies they are paid to support with goods and services (credit, tech and weapons)...

No Saints anywhere...ZERO.

I do not know of their reasons for all countries. I think they mostly ditched support for Cuba but like to have a place to dock the occasional war ship, when they venture that far from home. I recall they stopped giving subsidized oil to Cuba.

China was not their first choice as an ally. They wanted to be part of Europe but that would remove them as an enemy giving NATO a reason to exist.  Then there was  Russia gate and Ukraine gate, and trying to sabotage the gas pipeline at the last minute. Russia is now a conservative Christian nation.

I know they did not want an ISIS run nation in Syria so close to home as that would spill over into countries near Russia. Russia and Iran, not the US, fought ISIS BTW. The US, according to John Kerry, was happy to see ISIS advance on Damascus.

Some people who ID as progressives thought that Russia gate and Ukraine gate were a joke and a waste of time.  They were pissed that the Dems wasted years on that instead of pushing progressive agendas.
Kim Iversen and the Moderate Rebels/Grayzone guys come to mind.

BTW Katy Halper and Matt Taibbi were fired by Rolling Stone as the "Useful Idiots" because they dared to question the propaganda that Assad was evil and should be deposed.

We can skip the conservative assertion for the moment...I think there is significant differences in what that really means between Americans and Russians and even Europeans...and focus on the one part I find the most problematic - Christian.

First, we have to recognize the medieval Great Schism that parted the Eastern Orthodox Church from the Catholic Church in 1054.  The political motivations of authority (Pope vs Council of Bishops from East and West) gets overplayed (though I do not discount their importance) that overshadows the cultural impacts of the Greek speaking East and the Latin speaking West (a natural division resulting from the split of the over-extended Roman Imperial remnant) while the religious differences often get tossed in as mere contributors to the growing rift.  The East was more mystical and philosophical in worship and the West more legalistic in a Roman sense to the practical and scholastic.  There is differences in the incarnate Christ (Devine or Devine and Human), Iconoclasm, celibacy, medium used in the Eucharist...and a big one - The Trinity and the Nicene Creed.  All of this threw fuel on the fire and caused the split, and it culminated in violence when the armies of the 4th Crusade saw sacking Constantinople in 1204 more rewarding than kicking the Muslims out of Jerusalem and some greedy Venetians and a deposed Byzantine Prince convinced the nobles leading the army...and all it did was make more territory ripe for rampaging Muslims who captured Constantinople in 1453 and it's renaming Islambol/Islambul...later a more Hellenic influenced Arabic - Istanbul.  OK, a long-winded way of saying they got a lot of anti-Western bias and I concede it is not all unjustified.

Second, unlike the prelates overseeing the Holy Sites in Jerusalem who get along with Israel the Russians never seem to get along with Israel and appear to delight in their discomfort and in arming their enemies.

Third, the Russians arm and support the most nefarious regimes on the plant...none more troubling than the Mahdi Death Cult of Iran who has stated too many times to count its intent to exterminate the Jewish state.

It is a peculiar form of Christianity that sees nuclear-armed genocidal-maniacs as good partners and sees Israel as an enemy, and this peculiarity cannot be blamed in any way on an Orthodox distrust of the West no matter how justified it might be and be considered authentically "Christian" in character.   IMO it is not unlike the Christianity of Nazism.  And I do not see any evidence out there capable of altering this opinion.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #66 on: November 15, 2021, 08:40:13 AM »
Well...how ironic that a technology introduced by competitors for once and not Yankee Imperialist dogs spurred the dogs to react and deploy...



https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-nuclear-unit-germany-reactivates-dark-eagle-hypersonic-missiles

...and adds glue to the outdated alliance...so much glue in fact that I doubt if Edogan announced a pan-Muslim caliphate with Iran and Pakistan it would have no impact on said alliance...at best the would eject the Turks...the alliance marches on...

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #67 on: November 16, 2021, 01:17:25 PM »
https://www.weaselzippers.us/476505-nato-warns-russia-over-ukraine-military-buildup/

See?  It's always the Eurotards pushing most of this Ukraine crap...sure would be nice if we ended this useless alliance...let these Euro idiots fend for themselves and leave us out of it.

But nooooo.  Between Biden/DeepState idiocy and mis-steps by Russia making it easier for the former to cling to stupid ideas...we are all porked.

So, fine...have Russia invade, watch America cut and run...and drop this mess on the Euro's.  Going to happen with or without NATO, right?

WTF then, invade already!   ::gaah::
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #68 on: November 19, 2021, 09:04:47 AM »
Stoltenberg, jackbooted Norwegian...inbred Labor Party (socialist) ass-clown...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/jan-6-riot-attack-nato-jens-stoltenberg

...has really stepped in it and pissed off me and legions of other legitimate Americans!

NATO has just announced itself a mortal enemy of Liberty.  So be it.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #69 on: January 24, 2022, 09:07:09 AM »
Turks going after Kurds again...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkish-kurdish-war-gaining-momentum

...I'd arm the heck out of the Kurds and let them march on and slaughter the damned Turks.

But, TeamFraud a little distracted right now so the Kurds are hung out to dry...again...
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #70 on: April 04, 2022, 08:32:47 AM »
Whatever...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/european-union-unveils-new-strategy-become-global-power

Liars!  All these losers ever want is their cake and eat it too...

I wish they'd take care of their own BS, but these clowns are gutless, lazy and stupid...and as long as American leadership is under corrupt and illegitimate occupation the US will never be able to break away from NATO.

Everybody is porked!
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #71 on: April 10, 2022, 10:51:29 AM »
I see this as a big nothing-burger...

“NATO and our Asia-Pacific partners have now agreed to step up our practical and political cooperation in several areas, including cyber, new technology, and countering disinformation,” he said.

“We will also work more closely together in other areas such as maritime security, climate change, and resilience. Because global challenges demand global solutions.”


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-engage-asia-pacifc-counter-china

...this engagement looks like a glorified globalist/woke-ist circle-jerk...

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #72 on: April 13, 2022, 08:31:49 AM »
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #73 on: April 13, 2022, 11:58:19 AM »
Who sold China C-17's?
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #74 on: April 13, 2022, 12:18:10 PM »
Who sold China C-17's?

ChiCom Y-20's...

Your criminal insinuations are reported to the appropriate Communist Chinese agents for processing...sit tight, you may get a visit by an armed contractor who reports directly to Chairman Obama...
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #75 on: April 13, 2022, 12:35:26 PM »
Who sold China C-17's?

ChiCom Y-20's...

Your criminal insinuations are reported to the appropriate Communist Chinese agents for processing...sit tight, you may get a visit by an armed contractor who reports directly to Chairman Obama...

Please, please, please the spirit in my 2000 year old Katana has been begging for blood fow quite some time now.    ::dueling::
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #76 on: April 13, 2022, 12:38:43 PM »
Who sold China C-17's?

ChiCom Y-20's...

Your criminal insinuations are reported to the appropriate Communist Chinese agents for processing...sit tight, you may get a visit by an armed contractor who reports directly to Chairman Obama...

Please, please, please the spirit in my 2000 year old Katana has been begging for blood fow quite some time now.    ::dueling::

Heh, that made me smile!

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #77 on: April 13, 2022, 02:15:02 PM »
Whatever...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/european-union-unveils-new-strategy-become-global-power

Liars!  All these losers ever want is their cake and eat it too...

I wish they'd take care of their own BS, but these clowns are gutless, lazy and stupid...and as long as American leadership is under corrupt and illegitimate occupation the US will never be able to break away from NATO.

Everybody is porked!

The EU is grossly incompetent. Ursula's incompetence as German defense minister(?)  was legion.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #78 on: April 13, 2022, 04:38:25 PM »
I'm resigned to the fact that I will not in my lifetime (what is left of it...and I mean in both in the me and us sense) see us decouple from those Euro dependents...

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #79 on: April 15, 2022, 08:47:45 AM »
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20220413-le-pen-wants-france-out-of-nato-integrated-command-backs-nato-russia-links

But, I'm not willing to move to France...

Unless they also boot the Muslims, Charles the Hammer style if necessary...and embrace Fraxit...and return to De Gaulle style independence...

So, yeah...probably don't have to pack...
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