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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2011, 09:03:00 AM »
The Coalition Against Copper Theft

(it's a lobbying group, duh)

It's serious when they start to lobby congress to do something.
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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2011, 09:08:13 AM »
Newnan, GA Church Air Conditioners Gutted


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Minnie Robinson, program coordinator with CAFI, said that she arrived at work Monday to discover they had become victims of this all-too-common crime. Copper had been removed from two air-conditioning units, rendering them unusable.

"I've been here 43 years and never seen this before," said Robinson on Tuesday. "I've heard about it. I hear people talk about this happening to churches and things like that, but I didn't know what they were talking about.

"It's really sad to see people who don't have anything else to do than demolish people's property," she continued. "It's very frustrating."

In the latest case, on Thursday just before 5 a.m., Newnan Police Officer Christopher Robinson was on patrol on Savannah Street when he noticed something suspicious at Stonepoint Church, located at 18 Savannah St., according to the police incident report.

Robinson observed four units on the east side of the building appeared damaged. He found that all four units had been opened and most of the copper tubing had been cut out and stolen, according to the report.
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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2011, 09:24:42 AM »
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  In California, where copper wire theft appears to be most rampant,


California?   ::falldownshocked::
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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2011, 09:44:42 AM »
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  In California, where copper wire theft appears to be most rampant,


California?   ::falldownshocked::

As the economy worsens CA will take on the look of a car up on blocks, stripped of all value and left for dead on a street in the ghetto.

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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2011, 10:51:49 AM »
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  In California, where copper wire theft appears to be most rampant,


California?   ::falldownshocked::

As the economy worsens CA will take on the look of a car up on blocks, stripped of all value and left for dead on a street in the ghetto.



The only thing bad about that scenario that I can see is that the parasites will then be looking for a new host to ravage.

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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2011, 11:03:04 AM »
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  In California, where copper wire theft appears to be most rampant,


California?   ::falldownshocked::

As the economy worsens CA will take on the look of a car up on blocks, stripped of all value and left for dead on a street in the ghetto.



The only thing bad about that scenario that I can see is that the parasites will then be looking for a new host to ravage.

 ::rockets::

I have a daughter who wants to move to CA.  As supportive as I am of her dreams I have to admit I'm praying she gets a new dream.
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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2011, 11:44:14 AM »
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  In California, where copper wire theft appears to be most rampant,


California?   ::falldownshocked::

As the economy worsens CA will take on the look of a car up on blocks, stripped of all value and left for dead on a street in the ghetto.



The only thing bad about that scenario that I can see is that the parasites will then be looking for a new host to ravage.

 ::rockets::

I have a daughter who wants to move to CA.  As supportive as I am of her dreams I have to admit I'm praying she gets a new dream.

If forced at gunpoint I would still insist on being north of Sacramento!
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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2011, 12:10:19 PM »

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I have a daughter who wants to move to CA.  As supportive as I am of her dreams I have to admit I'm praying she gets a new dream.

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If forced at gunpoint I would still insist on being north of Sacramento!

Ah, if it were that easy.
She wants to live in southern CA.
Although she did look up the most conservative counties after the last election.  She's pretty conservative and doesn't mind taking on anyone in a debate (I keep telling her to start a blog). Perhaps though I better send some articles her way.
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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2011, 12:24:23 PM »

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I have a daughter who wants to move to CA.  As supportive as I am of her dreams I have to admit I'm praying she gets a new dream.

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If forced at gunpoint I would still insist on being north of Sacramento!

Ah, if it were that easy.
She wants to live in southern CA.
Although she did look up the most conservative counties after the last election.  She's pretty conservative and doesn't mind taking on anyone in a debate (I keep telling her to start a blog). Perhaps though I better send some articles her way.

"Although she did look up the most conservative counties after the last election."

Just remember, Orange County is surrounded!
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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2011, 07:38:14 AM »
The reason that I remember it so well is that it happened just as I described in Houston. Perhaps some parts of the country were immune but the pics that I posted all came from a search for "1979 Energy Crisis" And that first pic shows the rear end of a 1976 Datsun pickup.

I stand corrected. By the time '79 rolled around, I was working in the offshore industry and didn't have much time to buy gas. It seemed like anyone could get it if they could afford it. My most memorable moments of the Carter years are the interest rates and the inflation.
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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2011, 10:19:22 AM »
The reason that I remember it so well is that it happened just as I described in Houston. Perhaps some parts of the country were immune but the pics that I posted all came from a search for "1979 Energy Crisis" And that first pic shows the rear end of a 1976 Datsun pickup.

I stand corrected. By the time '79 rolled around, I was working in the offshore industry and didn't have much time to buy gas. It seemed like anyone could get it if they could afford it. My most memorable moments of the Carter years are the interest rates and the inflation.

 Car loan interest rates were 21.5% only because Connecticut had a state cap or they would have been higher.
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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2011, 10:31:51 AM »

Some folks invested a boat load of $$$ into long term CDs.  ...16%  '79/'82


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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2011, 10:36:11 AM »

Some folks invested a boat load of $$$ into long term CDs.  ...16%  '79/'82



 The owner of the dealership I worked at was being charged prime +2% and prime was 19% so he decided to offer us 20% return if we loaned him money for 6 mo. at a time. I did it and it paid on nicely.He figure that it was a win win and his people could make some money and he could save 1%.
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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2011, 10:40:10 AM »
I remember gas lines, but I recall that it was fairly easy to predict the best times to go to certain stations, once you knew their schedule for topping off their underground tanks.  The few I frequented the most had tankers top them off at night, so if I got there right away in the morning when they opened up (most stations were not 24/7 back in the day!) I could top off without much waiting, if at all.  And making sure all your gas cans were topped off in case you ran low before getting to a station was done.  I remember more than one occassion where I was on fumes and needed a couple gallons out of the can to make it!  We had one neighborhood station where we knew an employee who told us when their tanker came in, so we could get cars up there, that helped too.  And people learned a little about logistics too, no back and forth stuff, errands were scheduled like bus runs so there was not any wasted fuel.

The key to success for us was an utter indifference to the rules and a transfer pump. No, we didn't siphon other people's gas tanks, but we would fill up on the even days in one car and then go back to fill in another car on the odd days. We would transfer fuel from vehicle to vehicle as needed in total defiance of the authorities. We would trade plates on the van that had the 30 gallon fuel tank.

And we looked out for each other. Mom & dad's cars always came first. Dad was always grumpy and disapproving but he never turned away the full tank. Mom just chose to focus elsewhere.

I was in my early teens and still trying to make sense of the world around me. I was witness to our country slipping a cog, thanks to jimmuh carter. I got to learn about home-style fascism and heavy-handed authoritarianism. Seattle cops aren't as corrupt as Chicago or New Orleans cops - but they're damned close. I was beaten more than once by cops. I was involved in riots in the summer of '69 so from then on I found myself in a peculiar, not quite criminal side of the law, but not entirely legal side either. I learned that respect is earned and in the absence of it I would do whatever it took to take care of me & mine.

Somewhere along the line I must have lost some of my idealism  ::eyes::

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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2011, 10:47:42 AM »
On top of that gas stations had quotas that limited the total number of gallons they could sell each day. A rationing thief would shut down his station early, leaving several hundred gallons for him to sell to friends and special customers. The rationing thief would charge a few extra bucks per person (under the table) to fill cars "by appointment." A lot of people would gladly pay the bribe to avoid the nuisance of the long lines during the odd/even day rationing period.

Exactly like the Soviet Union or any Third World hellhole.  Funny how government-controlled economies always end up like that.  If you don't have a friend who's a gas station owner, you're SOL.  Get to the back of the line.

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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2011, 11:17:07 AM »
I remember gas lines, but I recall that it was fairly easy to predict the best times to go to certain stations, once you knew their schedule for topping off their underground tanks.  The few I frequented the most had tankers top them off at night, so if I got there right away in the morning when they opened up (most stations were not 24/7 back in the day!) I could top off without much waiting, if at all.  And making sure all your gas cans were topped off in case you ran low before getting to a station was done.  I remember more than one occassion where I was on fumes and needed a couple gallons out of the can to make it!  We had one neighborhood station where we knew an employee who told us when their tanker came in, so we could get cars up there, that helped too.  And people learned a little about logistics too, no back and forth stuff, errands were scheduled like bus runs so there was not any wasted fuel.

The key to success for us was an utter indifference to the rules and a transfer pump. No, we didn't siphon other people's gas tanks, but we would fill up on the even days in one car and then go back to fill in another car on the odd days. We would transfer fuel from vehicle to vehicle as needed in total defiance of the authorities. We would trade plates on the van that had the 30 gallon fuel tank.

And we looked out for each other. Mom & dad's cars always came first. Dad was always grumpy and disapproving but he never turned away the full tank. Mom just chose to focus elsewhere.

I was in my early teens and still trying to make sense of the world around me. I was witness to our country slipping a cog, thanks to jimmuh carter. I got to learn about home-style fascism and heavy-handed authoritarianism. Seattle cops aren't as corrupt as Chicago or New Orleans cops - but they're damned close. I was beaten more than once by cops. I was involved in riots in the summer of '69 so from then on I found myself in a peculiar, not quite criminal side of the law, but not entirely legal side either. I learned that respect is earned and in the absence of it I would do whatever it took to take care of me & mine.

Somewhere along the line I must have lost some of my idealism  ::eyes::

 Working as a family was the way to go,we had a dump truck and boat cans that we used as storage and to be honest I had a 55 gal drum that was used too.Because the dealership had a connection with a gas station we went on off hours to fill up and did the siphon thing till everything was filled up and kept it all full all the time.As a salesman I had a 20 gal allowance per week but I only used 7 so 13 gals a week came out of my demo (Opel Manta) and I made a deal to fill the wife's car every week and used very little because she didn't work then(I wanted her home with the baby) so it was all good,we even went fishing on weekends.

 And we had a couple of people we helped out too.
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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2011, 11:36:21 AM »
The reason that I remember it so well is that it happened just as I described in Houston. Perhaps some parts of the country were immune but the pics that I posted all came from a search for "1979 Energy Crisis" And that first pic shows the rear end of a 1976 Datsun pickup.

I stand corrected. By the time '79 rolled around, I was working in the offshore industry and didn't have much time to buy gas. It seemed like anyone could get it if they could afford it. My most memorable moments of the Carter years are the interest rates and the inflation.

That brings to mind another Carter creation, bracket creep
We had a very different tax structure back then in which there were several increments of progressive tax correlated to increase in income.  As employee salary increased, caused by inflation, they also moved into higher tax brackets the end result being, even though the employee was "making" more money, at the end of the year his net income was less than before the increase.  This was a net loss to the worker.   Bracket creep causing a net loss of income while prices were increasing was a double whammy to the worker. 

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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2011, 08:24:54 AM »
LINK

Copper thieves knock down more than 300 power poles since the first of the year.

Where? California town, of course.
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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2011, 09:59:48 AM »
Must be Obama shovel-ready jobs in action!
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Re: More copper thievery
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2011, 10:47:39 AM »
LINK

Copper thieves knock down more than 300 power poles since the first of the year.

Where? California town, of course.

From the video at the link, in Antioch, thieves are "targeting utility poles, buildings, construction sites, foreclosed and abandoned homes, and catalytic converters."  Also it costs PG&E $500 in repairs for every $1 of copper stolen.

It won't take long to destroy our infrastructure if the destruction costs are 500 to 1 in value-reduction ratios.
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