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« on: June 10, 2011, 02:19:11 PM »

Pirating for European slaves was a popular activity in the southern Mediterranean during the 18th century.  European ships would avoid going too far south because muslim pirates would capture their ships and ransom or rape the passengers.  Europe and the U.S. would pay ransoms for persons and bribes so that their ships could travel unmolested.  Finally Thomas Jefferson sent the Marines, soon to be Devil-Dogs & Leather Necks, to Tripoli. The Marines satisfied the barbarians lust and impressed upon their primitive memory the nature of the USA. A century later General Pershing found it necessary to remind them of our nature.   They are overdue another reminder.  Possibly one of an even more compelling nature.

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Last week witnessed popular Muslim preacher Abu Ishaq al-Huwaini boast about how Islam allows Muslims to buy and sell conquered infidel women, so that “When I want a sex-slave, I go to the market and pick whichever female I desire and buy her.” This week’s depraved anachronism comes from a Muslim woman—political activist and former [...]
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Re: Sex Slaves
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2011, 02:24:21 PM »
Weiner needs a new job.

Send him.
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Re: Sex Slaves
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2011, 02:25:28 PM »
And if it didn't work out then he could always try again as a eunuch.
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Re: Sex Slaves
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2011, 05:43:57 PM »
If I remember the history correctly--the US waited a long time before we hit the shores of tripoli.  We are too patient sometimes.
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Re: Sex Slaves
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2011, 06:31:25 PM »
If I remember the history correctly--the US waited a long time before we hit the shores of tripoli.  We are too patient sometimes.
We paid the jizzya protection money for a long time.  After the American Revolution, we lost the protective umbrella of the British Navy, arguably the world's strongest at the time with the greatest world-wide reach.  So American shipping was now on its own.  Our Government paid tons of money to the Barbary pirates emirs beys thieves.  It was Jefferson, after studying that koran Rep. Ellison famously went on about (as in how multi-culti and progressive of ol' TJ), who began to understand the nature of just who we were paying and stopped paying the money.  Immediately, the beys began attacking our shipping and took prizes and slaves, demanding tribute above and beyond the agreed upon annual jizzya.  As a result of our Navy being so weak (strictly coastal at the time and a poor one at that), it took time to create a blue water Navy strong enough to actually do anything.  Jefferson, going against his original thoughts, rightly reasoned that the cost in building a small but effective Navy was more than offset by the cost of the jizzya, which was constantly increased and the new Navy would serve a dual purpose of protecting both coastal and international American shipping.  Originally, Jefferson was an isolationist of sorts, but the beys changed all that.  Projection of American power became important in protecting America's business, which was and is commerce.

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After the United States won its independence in the treaty of 1783, it had to protect its own commerce against dangers such as the Barbary pirates. As early as 1784 Congress followed the tradition of the European shipping powers and appropriated $80,000 as tribute to the Barbary states, directing its ministers in Europe, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, to begin negotiations with them. Trouble began the next year, in July 1785, when Algerians captured two American ships and the dey of Algiers held their crews of twenty-one people for a ransom of nearly $60,000.

Thomas Jefferson, United States minister to France, opposed the payment of tribute, as he later testified in words that have a particular resonance today. In his autobiography Jefferson wrote that in 1785 and 1786 he unsuccessfully "endeavored to form an association of the powers subject to habitual depredation from them. I accordingly prepared, and proposed to their ministers at Paris, for consultation with their governments, articles of a special confederation." Jefferson argued that "The object of the convention shall be to compel the piratical States to perpetual peace." Jefferson prepared a detailed plan for the interested states. "Portugal, Naples, the two Sicilies, Venice, Malta, Denmark and Sweden were favorably disposed to such an association," Jefferson remembered, but there were "apprehensions" that England and France would follow their own paths, "and so it fell through."

Paying the ransom would only lead to further demands, Jefferson argued in letters to future presidents John Adams, then America's minister to Great Britain, and James Monroe, then a member of Congress. As Jefferson wrote to Adams in a July 11, 1786, letter, "I acknolege [sic] I very early thought it would be best to effect a peace thro' the medium of war." Paying tribute will merely invite more demands, and even if a coalition proves workable, the only solution is a strong navy that can reach the pirates, Jefferson argued in an August 18, 1786, letter to James Monroe: "The states must see the rod; perhaps it must be felt by some one of them. . . . Every national citizen must wish to see an effective instrument of coercion, and should fear to see it on any other element than the water. A naval force can never endanger our liberties, nor occasion bloodshed; a land force would do both." "From what I learn from the temper of my countrymen and their tenaciousness of their money," Jefferson added in a December 26, 1786, letter to the president of Yale College, Ezra Stiles, "it will be more easy to raise ships and men to fight these pirates into reason, than money to bribe them."

Jefferson's plan for an international coalition foundered on the shoals of indifference and a belief that it was cheaper to pay the tribute than fight a war. The United States's relations with the Barbary states continued to revolve around negotiations for ransom of American ships and sailors and the payment of annual tributes or gifts. Even though Secretary of State Jefferson declared to Thomas Barclay, American consul to Morocco, in a May 13, 1791, letter of instructions for a new treaty with Morocco that it is "lastly our determination to prefer war in all cases to tribute under any form, and to any people whatever," the United States continued to negotiate for cash settlements. In 1795 alone the United States was forced to pay nearly a million dollars in cash, naval stores, and a frigate to ransom 115 sailors from the dey of Algiers. Annual gifts were settled by treaty on Algiers, Morocco, Tunis, and Tripoli.

When Jefferson became president in 1801 he refused to accede to Tripoli's demands for an immediate payment of $225,000 and an annual payment of $25,000. The pasha of Tripoli then declared war on the United States. Although as secretary of state and vice president he had opposed developing an American navy capable of anything more than coastal defense, President Jefferson dispatched a squadron of naval vessels to the Mediterranean. As he declared in his first annual message to Congress: "To this state of general peace with which we have been blessed, one only exception exists. Tripoli, the least considerable of the Barbary States, had come forward with demands unfounded either in right or in compact, and had permitted itself to denounce war, on our failure to comply before a given day. The style of the demand admitted but one answer. I sent a small squadron of frigates into the Mediterranean. . . ."

The American show of force quickly awed Tunis and Algiers into breaking their alliance with Tripoli. The humiliating loss of the frigate Philadelphia and the capture of her captain and crew in Tripoli in 1803, criticism from his political opponents, and even opposition within his own cabinet did not deter Jefferson from his chosen course during four years of war. The aggressive action of Commodore Edward Preble (1803-4) forced Morocco out of the fight and his five bombardments of Tripoli restored some order to the Mediterranean. However, it was not until 1805, when an American fleet under Commodore John Rogers and a land force raised by an American naval agent to the Barbary powers, Captain William Eaton, threatened to capture Tripoli and install the brother of Tripoli's pasha on the throne, that a treaty brought an end to the hostilities. Negotiated by Tobias Lear, former secretary to President Washington and now consul general in Algiers, the treaty of 1805 still required the United States to pay a ransom of $60,000 for each of the sailors held by the dey of Algiers, and so it went without Senatorial consent until April 1806. Nevertheless, Jefferson was able to report in his sixth annual message to Congress in December 1806 that in addition to the successful completion of the Lewis and Clark expedition, "The states on the coast of Barbary seem generally disposed at present to respect our peace and friendship."

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Jefferson would be sickened by the foreign aid jizzya we currently pay.

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Re: Sex Slaves
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2011, 07:16:39 PM »

Full disclosure:  Being raised in Virginia, and having visited Monticello quite a few times, TJ is my absolute favorite American historical figure.

thanks for the history lesson!

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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2011, 10:23:27 PM »

Full disclosure:  Being raised in Virginia, and having visited Monticello quite a few times, TJ is my absolute favorite American historical figure.

thanks for the history lesson!

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Yes, it was. ::cool:: When I saw the title to this topic, I thought it was about my relationship with my wife. ::facepalm::
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2011, 01:55:38 PM »

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Shaykh al-Huwayni Explains the Islamic Doctrine of Offensive Jihad and Taking Sex-Slaves
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After Egyptian Shaykh Abu-Ishaq al-Huwayni's controversial comments about jihad and slavery (see here) were published on YouTube, Facebook, and also in Egyptian press, he was given the opportunity to respond in a telephone interview aired on the Islamic satellite television station al-Hikma on 22 May 2011. In his approximately 20-minute response, he contended that his words in that clip were taken out of context--he was talking within the larget topic of offensive jihad. In this interview he explained the meaning of offensive jihad, and established through sources in the Qur'an and sayings of Muhammad that both offensive jihad and the taking of spoils of war, namely slaves and "sex-slaves," are legitimate under Islam.

I condensed the 20-minute interview down to about 8 and a half minutes, and subtitled the video in English.
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2011, 07:17:19 PM »
Well, I'm glad he cleared that up. I was worried about the "Religion of Peace" there for a minute.
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Re: Sex Slaves
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2011, 05:14:17 AM »
Why would an Arab woman support sex slavery?

Think about it. The answer is obvious.
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