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Re: Caterpillar moons Chicago, moves HQ to Irvine, TX
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2022, 09:59:14 AM »
I moon Caterpillar for them "selling" equipment to buyers but withholding ownership of the software that runs the machine.  In effect, buyers are essentially renting that which they're supposed to own.
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Re: Caterpillar moons Chicago, moves HQ to Irvine, TX
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2022, 10:39:40 AM »
This referring to their ET (Electronic Tech) for remote diagnostics etc?

Can older equipment be bought without the crap?  Like cars et al...pre-chip old-timey stuff may be an option...though harder to find...

What do other outfits do?  Deere, Komatsu, Mitsubishi et al?

Apart from knowing some manufacturers I really have no experience with anything heavier than a Bobcat and trailers and such, lol!
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Re: Caterpillar moons Chicago, moves HQ to Irvine, TX
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2022, 11:06:44 AM »
Something in my memory banks is trying to recall a time early in Hussein’s malevolent attempt to ruin the country, when he tried using Caterpillar as a political prop, and it didn’t go well for him. What am I thinking of?
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Re: Caterpillar moons Chicago, moves HQ to Irvine, TX
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2022, 11:43:51 AM »
Porkulus pimping...put words in CEO's mouth...which were totally wrong...

https://youtu.be/frj5G-V0SAo

...but the cronies got their pork, plowed it into their own pockets and some back into the DemCom pockets...and the American people got the shaft yet again...
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Re: Caterpillar moons Chicago, moves HQ to Irvine, TX
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2022, 02:55:03 PM »
This referring to their ET (Electronic Tech) for remote diagnostics etc?

Can older equipment be bought without the crap?  Like cars et al...pre-chip old-timey stuff may be an option...though harder to find...

What do other outfits do?  Deere, Komatsu, Mitsubishi et al?

Apart from knowing some manufacturers I really have no experience with anything heavier than a Bobcat and trailers and such, lol!

I'm referring to the fact that if the equipment/tractor breaks down in the field, it sits in the field until a Deere-certified repairman can get there.

ETA:  I don't know about the other brands of tractors/eqpt. except that Gunsmith is a big fan and promoter of ooold Massey-Ferguson tractors, of which we have two.  We had a third he bought to repair and sell, which we did -- he had to "split" the thing to replace the clutch.  No chips, no crap, just mechanicals.

The new vehicles are just as bad with their computers/chips and such (not to mention the spy-on-you crap).  A code-reader is needed to even determine the problem when there is one.
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Re: Caterpillar moons Chicago, moves HQ to Irvine, TX
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2022, 03:30:25 PM »
This referring to their ET (Electronic Tech) for remote diagnostics etc?

Can older equipment be bought without the crap?  Like cars et al...pre-chip old-timey stuff may be an option...though harder to find...

What do other outfits do?  Deere, Komatsu, Mitsubishi et al?

Apart from knowing some manufacturers I really have no experience with anything heavier than a Bobcat and trailers and such, lol!

I'm referring to the fact that if the equipment/tractor breaks down in the field, it sits in the field until a Deere-certified repairman can get there.

ETA:  I don't know about the other brands of tractors/eqpt. except that Gunsmith is a big fan and promoter of ooold Massey-Ferguson tractors, of which we have two.  We had a third he bought to repair and sell, which we did -- he had to "split" the thing to replace the clutch.  No chips, no crap, just mechanicals.

The new vehicles are just as bad with their computers/chips and such (not to mention the spy-on-you crap).  A code-reader is needed to even determine the problem when there is one.

I know nothing about this topic. I recall Louis Rossmann is a huge advocate for right to repair. I recall this remote diagnostics feature may be a way to remove the ability to self repair and perhaps to get around the few current right to repair laws.

Long ago, there was some company that used a SW disc to start up a machine. It had to copy the contents into RAM. At the time this was considered copying under copyright laws. They sued any third party repair outfits. I dunno if they sued their customers. Likely not.
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Re: Caterpillar moons Chicago, moves HQ to Irvine, TX
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2022, 03:54:03 PM »
This referring to their ET (Electronic Tech) for remote diagnostics etc?

Can older equipment be bought without the crap?  Like cars et al...pre-chip old-timey stuff may be an option...though harder to find...

What do other outfits do?  Deere, Komatsu, Mitsubishi et al?

Apart from knowing some manufacturers I really have no experience with anything heavier than a Bobcat and trailers and such, lol!

I'm referring to the fact that if the equipment/tractor breaks down in the field, it sits in the field until a Deere-certified repairman can get there.

ETA:  I don't know about the other brands of tractors/eqpt. except that Gunsmith is a big fan and promoter of ooold Massey-Ferguson tractors, of which we have two.  We had a third he bought to repair and sell, which we did -- he had to "split" the thing to replace the clutch.  No chips, no crap, just mechanicals.

The new vehicles are just as bad with their computers/chips and such (not to mention the spy-on-you crap).  A code-reader is needed to even determine the problem when there is one.
Big Massey-Ferguson fan here,  also.  I have a ~'74 MF-175 which I've owned and farmed with from about 1984.  Easily maintained,  still fairly easy to get parts for,  and easy to understand mechanics that require no special expertise to repair or replace parts.  And most importantly,  no computers or microprocessors. 
I think it was John Deere who started the "restricted from the owner" repair data trend several years ago.  It's now been picked up by some car manufacturers,  and I think it was Massachusetts that recently passed a "Right to Repair" law because of it.
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Re: Caterpillar moons Chicago, moves HQ to Irvine, TX
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2022, 09:30:46 PM »
It does my heart good to know others are on the same page ........ and among the "resisters". 

My F150 is pretty old (old is relative, right? but "old" for a vehicle) and if I was told I had no right to repair it, the teller of such would be really sorry.
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Re: Caterpillar moons Chicago, moves HQ to Irvine, TX
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2022, 09:17:21 AM »
Obviously I was a moron when young...I had no concept then of looking to the future...(one constant has been my dim view of the future no matter what point I was in...sans Reagan years, truly the best of times...then it went all to sh*t again...)....I should have kept 2-3 of my older vehicles and old Honda motorcycle...

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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2022, 10:59:05 AM »
Obviously I was a moron when young...I had no concept then of looking to the future...(one constant has been my dim view of the future no matter what point I was in...sans Reagan years, truly the best of times...then it went all to sh*t again...)....I should have kept 2-3 of my older vehicles and old Honda motorcycle...

 ::facepalm::   ::bashing::   ::unknowncomic::
I have two 2002 Saturns. One high mileage in bad cosmetic shape. One lower mileage  "SL" model which is a stripped down SL1 meaning no power windows or sunroof (which always breaks).
My son had a doge avenger that had the transmission computer circuit board break which cost a fortune. Screw that.

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Re: Caterpillar moons Chicago, moves HQ to Irvine, TX
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2022, 11:05:52 AM »
Obviously I was a moron when young...I had no concept then of looking to the future...(one constant has been my dim view of the future no matter what point I was in...sans Reagan years, truly the best of times...then it went all to sh*t again...)....I should have kept 2-3 of my older vehicles and old Honda motorcycle...

 ::facepalm::   ::bashing::   ::unknowncomic::
I have two 2002 Saturns. One high mileage in bad cosmetic shape. One lower mileage  "SL" model which is a stripped down SL1 meaning no power windows or sunroof (which always breaks).
My son had a doge avenger that had the transmission computer circuit board break which cost a fortune. Screw that.

I had an Avenger once...wrecked it...

Wrecked my Crown Vic too, but that one was not my fault...miss that one...  :'(
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Re: Caterpillar moons Chicago, moves HQ to Irvine, TX
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2022, 11:58:34 AM »
Now Citadel is bailing on Chitcago and heading for Miami...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/ken-griffin-moving-citadel-miami-leaving-chicago-crime-cesspool-forever-behind

Yeah, that's a shame...less for Beetlejuice to fleece and extort...

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