Topic: China

[Libertas]

I do not see this as a pivot to Washington because the Euro's believe in Washington...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-china-summit-goes-nowhere-and-frustrates-beijings-plans

...I see it as a rare sober recognition that the interests of China are selfish and will always be that way...so needling them on their economic & trade practices, Uyghurs & Taiwan is indicating their patience has worn thin...

Perhaps too late, who knows...if China stays true to form they'll engage in soft bullying...

And XI probably wishes the Euro's were as easy to buy off as The Kenyan's corrupt jello-headed puppet FJB...



https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/12/18/now-that-blackrock-biden-white-house-have-forced-ev-mandates-china-moves-massive-investment-into-mexico-to-make-evs-for-u-s-market/

...the raping of America to enrich its corrupt leadership just keeps rolling on...

 

[patentlymn]

I keep seeing the same thing around the world. China is a bunch or merchants, traders, and now builders and manufacturers.  The US does not respond by doing those things better than China but by subverting them wherever possible.

I heard that US is working to subvert govts in SE Asia that get too friendly with China. China had some HS rail project lined up and US killed it. US does not seem to bring anything positive to the table to sweeten the pot.

[patentlymn]

old video clip of Nixon on the Israel lobby
https://t.me/putingers_cat_chat/171841

[patentlymn]

Had YT on. Some guys said that China and Russia just inked a big deal in the RU far east and named the province. I recognized it as the site of major flooding. Visa free travel both ways. Direct China federal control of the major city Harbin, usually reserved for important cities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbin.

RU city is Blagoveshchensk on the Amur river. Birthplace of Alina GingertailI believe. My  latest internet addiction.
From Blagoveshchensk ...2013
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzChrYwMj8FaBjvXhbfhDdtobIARAbcwO

[patentlymn]

Long. Different take on China. Canadian guy in China. What he reports on about Honk Kong matches what I heard elsewhere including reporting from Michael Yon.  He goes into details on the HK security law passed. Also the HK riots were US financed as many are. I recall that Muslim countries sent fact finding missions into the Uighur regions and did not find what the west reported.


https://youtu.be/BENky0V_qDM
[lowkeysays]https://youtu.be/BENky0V_qDM[/lowkeysays]
 Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Media Lies and the War On China, w/ Daniel Dumbrill
BreakThrough News

542K subscribers
TIME CODES
0:00 Intro
0:57 Who is Daniel Dumbrill?
4:15 What really happened in Hong Kong vs the western media narrative
17:32 How does China view the US leaving Afghanistan?
20:54 Has Daniel ever had trouble with security authorities in China?
23:52 How did Daniel get to Xinjiang? Was it hard to get in?
26:38 What Daniel saw in Xinjiang and how it compares to accusations in the US press
31:41The US “War on Terror” vs legitimate threats countries deal with in their own borders and how it’s different
34:30 Daniel speaks Mandarin!
38:51 What is the terrorism problem in Xinjiang? Who is behind it?
47:47 Is there diversity in China or is there an attempt to impose one culture on people, as Western media claims? 
49:51 The intended impact of US sanctions on Xinjiang
54:56 Who is behind all these wild accusations against China?
1:00:09 The importance of Xinjiang to the Belt and Road Initiative
1:06:15 Daniel responds to his critics
1:16:10 The eradication of extreme poverty in China
1:25:37 Where you can follow Daniel’s work

[Libertas]

Wow, shocking....China perfect, US evil incarnate...seems fair...

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And the perfect little Commies sure like dicking with Taiwan politics...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-sanctions-5-us-defense-firms-message-ahead-taiwan-election

...I think the twisted panda needs a kick in the berries!

PS - And this POS should have been executed!

https://www.frontpagemag.com/how-does-a-navy-sailor-spying-for-china-come-away-with-only-2-years-in-prison/

[patentlymn]

2 years in prison? Geez.

[Libertas]

It was an easy call I made earlier...the Chi-Com PPT jumps into action...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-rebound-amid-whispers-relief-rally-china-plunge-protection-team-steps

...state funds to the rescue!

When that has exhausted itself and the reversion to the original mean resumes...they'll move on to Plan I - Invasion of Taiwan!

[Libertas]

More on the absolute joy of living in a people's paradise...

A deleted article detailing the torture and death of a young man in police custody in China's northwestern region of Xinjiang offered a picture of the methods typically used by police during interrogations, a former police officer and a rights lawyer told Radio Free Asia in recent interviews.

In 2018, police officers in Xinjiang's Ili Kazakh Autonomous Prefecture detained Sun Renze, the 30-year-old son of a police officer who died on active duty, on suspicion of "picking quarrels and stirring up trouble," according to the Jan. 14 article on the news website Caixin, which cited court documents from a November 2023 trial of eight police officers in connection with Sun's treatment.

On the early morning of Sept. 27, 2018, Sun Renze fell into a coma after being interrogated and tortured for seven hours straight by officers in Ili's Kuitun city, Caixin reported, detailing a litany of torture methods including the being forced to carry an iron chair, electric shocks, mustard, hanging heavy objects from the victim's genitals and waterboarding.

While the article, which focused on the Nov. 6, 2023, trial of eight of the officers involved, was deleted within minutes of appearing on the Caixin website, copies were still available on overseas websites, including China Digital Times.

While it has been increasingly targeted for deletion and censorship under Xi Jinping’s nationwide crackdown on public speech, Caixin nonetheless once made a name for itself as a cutting-edge media organization that published a number of hard-hitting reports on the suppression of press freedom and purges at the Guangzhou-based Southern media group in 2012 and early 2013.

Sun, who is Han Chinese, was taken to the ICU and transferred between "multiple hospitals" after losing consciousness, eventually dying at the age of 30 on Nov. 9, 2018, Caixin reported.

The Kuitun Municipal People's Court found eight Ili police officers, including two named as Wu Xuemin and Liu Xianyong, guilty of "intentional injury," and sentenced them to jail terms ranging from three to 13 years, it said.

‘Murderers!’

Sun's mother and police widow Ren Tingting was present at the trial, crying on a number of occasions during proceedings, and standing up and shouting at the officers: "Murderers! I will never forgive you!" at one point, the report said.

The article said Sun was initially held at the Qapqal Xibe Autonomous County Detention Center, then transferred to a basement room at the Ili traffic police headquarters because officers felt they had made little progress in extracting a confession.

According to the Caixin article, Sun was arrested during a region wide crackdown on criminal gangs, and police were hoping to extract a confession that was precisely worded, in connection with the death of a young woman, Deng Xuefei, who fell from a building during a visit by debt collectors including Sun several years earlier.

Sun was then taken to the "case-handling station" at Huocheng County police, where the officers were asked to take him away again because Sun's screams could be heard in the front-of-house offices.

Sun eventually wound up in the Huocheng County Detention Center, where the officers arranged for an interrogation room without surveillance cameras, the court heard.

The interrogations were so intense that even the officers were exhausted, and asked their bosses for a break on Sept. 26.

But they were told to intensify their efforts to "completely break Sun Renze’s spirit," Caixin reported.

Waterboarding, beatings

The court heard that the interrogation room was one used exclusively by state security police, and was equipped with two surveillance cameras. The detention center director ordered one of the members of staff, surnamed Chai, to shut down the cameras, but Chai kept one of them rolling for seven hours, for fear that the case would come back to bite him, the report said.

"The surveillance video showed that for more than seven hours between 4 p.m. and 11:30 p.m., Sun Renze was waterboarded, both directly and with a towel, more than ten times, with two of the sessions lasting more than 15 minutes at a stretch. He was also forced to carry an iron chair and dumbbells back and forth repeatedly for 40 minutes.

"In the video, when the interrogators were carrying out the waterboarding, we couldn't see Sun Renze's expression and reaction, but we saw the iron frame bed shaking violently for a long time, and we can imagine how much he was suffering," one witness told the court.

Sun's interrogators also slapped him in the face, beat his calves and heels with a white PVC pipe, and administered electric shocks with an old-fashioned telephone, while he was restrained on the bed.

While some of the police officers claimed that they wouldn't typically engage in such torture methods, a former police officer told Radio Free Asia that they were common in Chinese law enforcement.

"Some officers get emotionally involved in interrogations, and they will hit a bit harder," former Zhuzhou city cop Cheng Xiaofeng told RFA Mandarin.

"This kind of water torture can make it hard for suspects to breathe, and it can cause suffocation and death," he said. "It's a harsher method that they use in the north, but we typically don't use it in the south."

According to Cheng, officers are more likely to torture suspects when they are under pressure to crack a case from higher up.

"The higher-ups would say things like 'you have to crack this case in the next week', which would prompt the lower-ranking officers to rush their investigations and start using 'methods'," Cheng said. "This was quite common, and a primary cause [of torture]."

Guo Min, a former deputy director of a police station in Zhuzhou, Hunan, agreed that torture is commonplace in Chinese law enforcement.

"Actually, we would often use such methods when handling cases," Guo told RFA. "Using 'methods' is pretty common when suspects are uncooperative."

He said there has been more of an attempt to prevent the abuse and torture of suspects in run of the mill police work, but political cases had fewer restraints.

"The police are a bit more regulated while handling [regular] criminal cases, but in political cases, they stop at nothing," Guo said.

‘It happens in almost every case’

U.S.-based rights attorney Chen Jiangang, who once exposed the details of the torture of fellow rights lawyer and client Xie Yang, agreed.

"Based on my more than 10 years of experience in handling criminal cases, it is common for the public security to use illegal methods like torture, ill-treatment, beatings and intimidation when handling cases," Chen told RFA in a recent interview. "It happens in almost every case."

But in Chen's view, torture and ill-treatment aren't effective ways of getting a suspect to tell the truth, and will likely just generate miscarriages of justice.

He said it's extremely rare for a case such as the torture of Sun Renze to win any kind of public redress -- the vast majority have no consequences for the perpetrators.

"The law states that video cameras must be switched on during interrogations ... but obviously officers who torture won't be recording it," he said.

"Cases like [Sun's, in which perpetrators are brought to justice] only happen by accident, and the ratio is less than 1 in 10,000," he said. "It's the tip of the iceberg."

"Torture is huge [in China] -- it's a humanitarian disaster," Chen said.

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/china-torture-01172024134723.html

And remember, this regime is the one demonazis and DeepState despots long to emulate in America...   

[Libertas]

Heh, Chi-Com PPT effort #1 fizzled, time for PPT effort #2!

The rout in China was about to take out key knock-in levels before Beijing's Plunge Protection Team, i.e., the Naitional Team, stepped in. Turnover on a handful of ETFs tracking the CSI 300 Index and the SSE 50 Index jump in afternoon trading, a sign that state-led buying continues as the CSI 300 falls as much as 1.5%.Trading on the China AMC CSI 300 Index ETF was 5.6 billion yuan, the E-Fund CSI 300 ETF was 6.5 billion yuan and Harvest CSI 300 was 6.2b yuan, with all hitting their highest levels on record as of 2:18 p.m. local time.

The intervention was triggered after the CSI 500 Index slipped 2.2% to 4,911 points on Monday, taking it less than 1% away from an earlier estimated threshold that would possibly result in a mass knock-in level for so-called snowball derivatives ties to the gauge. CICC estimated that the average knock-in threshold for the CSI 500 Index is 4,865 points, a breach of which would mean a loss at maturity, and could bring wave of selling in index futures.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-enter-blow-top-tech-led-frenzy-chinas-plunge-protection-team-steps-again

More here - https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-stocks-crash-through-snowball-derivatives-trigger-levels-overnight

Basically, option derivatives betting one way were poised to be slaughtered and the Chinese stepped in to reverse at best or lessen at worst the natural damage it was heading to...and the stimulus bazooka they talk about is no guarantee and as we saw here with the loose Fed there is a steep price to pay for over-priming...

I still say their best stimulus is invading Taiwan...and it could happen in the next couple months...

[patentlymn]

I do not understand such finance stuff at all.
I have been reading headlines that china finance is about to collapse for maybe decades.
Maybe it will tomorrow. Or not.

[Libertas]

Well, their empty infrastructure projects are legendary...and they've hurt their own domestic manufacturing sector and I am still trying to figure out if it was planned to harm external customers or not but am leaning towards yes...and this mess of late is all getting bailed out...and its effect will be fleeting...so I am sticking to my prediction that their answer to their problems is an invasion of Taiwan...

[patentlymn]

The Chinese diaspora in SE Asia controls most commerce and will aid China.
https://youtu.be/b-dpiEwSmB0
 
WHY China's UNICULTURAL EDGE Terrifies Pentagon Planners



In short, China has an advantage as a nation state over the US multicultural empire.
https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Litigation_Release/Litigation%20Release%20-%20The%20Strategic%20Consequences%20of%20Chinese%20Racism%20%20201301.pdf

THE STRATEGIC CONSEQUENCES
OF CHINESE RACISM:
A Strategic Asymmetry for the United States

[Libertas]

Well, to be fair...totalitarian states can cut out of society whatever it wants to...duh! 

And it should be no surprise to people to learn the demoscats envy the Chi-Com system...

[Libertas]

WTF is this crap?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-piano-player-threatened-ccp-agents-filming-their-faces-public

You a-holes are not in communist China MFer!  What arrogant little bastards!  I would have told them to bugger off...and the Bobbies...really, they're useless...

[patentlymn]

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/46683
Chinese lead home ownership.

[Libertas]

Have you read the links on real estate collapse and loan implosion and eroding standard of living?

They have problems, and their solutions no different than anybody else's - stimulus and war.

[patentlymn]

Have you read the links on real estate collapse and loan implosion and eroding standard of living?

They have problems, and their solutions no different than anybody else's - stimulus and war.

Yes but I have been reading headlines like that for a long time. China may fall apart tomorrow or in 100 years.

[Libertas]

Have you read the links on real estate collapse and loan implosion and eroding standard of living?

They have problems, and their solutions no different than anybody else's - stimulus and war.

Yes but I have been reading headlines like that for a long time. China may fall apart tomorrow or in 100 years.

Same here, same in Europe, same a lot of places...just because the big collapse hasn't happened yet doesn't mean all is well...

And I still say in the end the Chi-Coms will see war as their answer...

[Libertas]

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/beijing-appoints-capital-markets-veteran-regulatory-chief-amid-stock-meltdown

https://youtu.be/NuAKnbIr6TE