Topic: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine

[Libertas]

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Well, sh*t...if no nazis then it has zero comparability to Ukraine.

They are totally different...

China is a threat, not Russia.

Taiwan is worth protecting, Ukraine isn't.

Taiwan is a key Pacific state, as the US is, as Japan is, as South Korea is, as Philippines is...Ukraine is a European state...

China is bullying everybody in the region and claiming territory international law only recognizes as belonging to others.

People who do not see the two as different IMO are willfully ignorant and/or biased or just naturally stupid.

I do not keep up on Taiwan.
I recall years ago most in Taiwan called themselves Chinese. The US pumped money into NGOs etc. and they called themselves Taiwanese. not sure of the percents. Not sure of what percent want to be not independent. How many would be willing to fight?


https://www.quora.com/2-million-Taiwanese-work-and-live-in-China-How-do-they-feel-about-living-in-mainland-China-the-enemy-of-Taiwan
2 million Taiwanese work and live in China. How do they feel about living in mainland China, the "enemy" of Taiwan?
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https://focustaiwan.tw/cross-strait/202304110013

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/no-mainland-chinese-undergraduates-in-taiwan-for-new-school-year-amid-cross-strait-tensions

https://www.reddit.com/r/taiwan/comments/19a02jk/genuine_question_are_there_taiwanese_people_who/

Also, the US govt previously agreed that Taiwan was a part of China.

The former and latter is a hallmark for the specious argument some like to engage in...

Since it is clear to anybody who studies Chinese history that the Communists betrayed the Chinese cause for independence...the nationalists bore the brunt of the fighting against the Imperial Japanese, while that POS Mao snuck around and seduced more into his cult...and the weakened nationalists were ripe for communist attack and propaganda...and the civil war ended when the weakened nationalists escaped to Taiwan.  Chiang should have turned The Long March into the Long Mass Grave...see what happens when you fail to stop commies dead in their tracks?

Anyway, Taiwanese consider themselves Chinese, duh...they are Chinese!  Sons and daughters of free Chinese.

I'd take free Chinese over Communist Chinese, free China over Communist China...and I think most people would.

[patentlymn]

This could be posted anywhere. Ray says that in the past now current US SEC DEF Austin lied so much about the intel he received that 50 intelligence people filed a complaint with the pentagon IG.

https://youtu.be/bOp4VJ35hls

[patentlymn]

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The former and latter is a hallmark for the specious argument some like to engage in...

Since it is clear to anybody who studies Chinese history that the Communists betrayed the Chinese cause for independence...the nationalists bore the brunt of the fighting against the Imperial Japanese, while that POS Mao snuck around and seduced more into his cult...and the weakened nationalists were ripe for communist attack and propaganda...and the civil war ended when the weakened nationalists escaped to Taiwan.  Chiang should have turned The Long March into the Long Mass Grave...see what happens when you fail to stop commies dead in their tracks?

Anyway, Taiwanese consider themselves Chinese, duh...they are Chinese!  Sons and daughters of free Chinese.

I'd take free Chinese over Communist Chinese, free China over Communist China...and I think most people would.

The book Blacklisted by History goes into how commie fellow travelers in China fed false info the the US govt to bend US aid toward Mao.  Also one such person in Yugoslavia to favor Tito. Amazing how much harm a small number of people can do.

[patentlymn]

Ukraine propaganda. I will look for another source..
https://t.me/c/1567469683/2018659

update here it is brutal
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1cr6lio/ru_pov_till_the_last_ukrainian/

[patentlymn]

I hear that Russia just walked through the non existent fortifications at Kharkov.. Not even mine fields..
Zelensky is removing the previous posts about all the strong fortifications at Kharkov. I recall lots of money was spent on them.

[patentlymn]

Col Davis gives a summary at 10 min. About the scandal.
https://youtu.be/UMv7OxwddaE?t=577

[Libertas]

Col Davis gives a summary at 10 min. About the scandal.
https://youtu.be/UMv7OxwddaE?t=577

Scandal, what scandal?  Like horsesh*t Uke operations are new?

I don't know about that open field running he's showing...result of abandonment or because of tactical retreat?

As far as where I see Uke defenses (see next post) they appear poorly led, waste of personnel and equipment.

[Libertas]

I hear that Russia just walked through the non existent fortifications at Kharkov.. Not even mine fields..
Zelensky is removing the previous posts about all the strong fortifications at Kharkov. I recall lots of money was spent on them.

War porn, better than I've seen in a while...from the Vovchansk area -

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/northern-offensive-russian-troops-enter-volchansk-key-kharkov/

...the first clip to me is confusing because if the enemy is close enough to shoot with rifles, they are close to on your ass...but seems like they are firing to suppress not to hold in place for their own artillery, mortar or drone attack though...WTF?  And the last clip...WTF they doing in a thin line in the open?  Looks like better ground to mine and set up a kill box behind, fricken insane.  Leadership is crap.

It's like toddlers against varsity...

The attrition and the long front I think is taking its toll.  Throwing more of our money and equipment in is just going to go to waste probably more of the equipment will be captured by the Rus...

Stupid beyond imagining...

The pressure for NATO to intervene directly has to be a high risk now, especially if the Rus get too close to Kiev or other Uke territory west of the annexed lands...

[patentlymn]

As I understand, the recon units were supposed to find weak spots for the main forces to exploit except the recon units found no one there anywhere. The progress measured in km became much greater than before and unexpected. Then people started posting previous videos from Zelensky about all the fortifications that had been built in Kharkov. People assumed fraud.

Other Russian advances had been hard won. Not this one.

[Libertas]

Well, hitting each others energy sector is still vibrant...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/emergency-blackouts-introduced-across-ukraine-temperatures-dip

As for this, Smith is saying much of what I've been saying all along...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-about-overrun-ukraines-defenses-why-are-there-no-peace-negotiations

And now here we are, watching Ukraine collapse from a war of attrition it was not configured to win because of the lack of experienced manpower and experienced intelligent leadership...and NOBODY is talking peace and nobody seems interested in starting...

The West wants to escalate their participation...Russia screaming Western aggression is the cause (right, wrong or otherwise makes zero difference) locks them into their participation...

How does this not escalate?  I have not seen one reasoned explanation from any quarter outlining how that is possible...

As if to emphasize my point...now we have more fear driving other nation's decisions people probably once thought impossible...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/natos-newest-member-open-hosting-nuclear-weapons

I reckon they'll see "a war" soon...

We all will...

[patentlymn]

Robot clip at 0:45
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1790703917396803778

[patentlymn]

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1789999125930348835
 “Putin cut off gas supplies and it has had a devastating impact on people's lives” - Sunak

At this point it’s just malicious lying, they imposed sanctions and now pretend it was not them.

They think you’re stupid

[Libertas]

Robot clip at 0:45
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1790703917396803778

I guess they cannot see it...

 

[Libertas]

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1789999125930348835
 “Putin cut off gas supplies and it has had a devastating impact on people's lives” - Sunak

At this point it’s just malicious lying, they imposed sanctions and now pretend it was not them.

They think you’re stupid

A sh*tload of Brits are stupid...

[patentlymn]

I can't find the link I wanted. The recent RU advance was not supposed to happen even from the RU side.
It is like a boy scout troop got lost in the woods and passed through the Ukr lines.


Here is the better one. Zelensky may have believed there were fortifications there.
https://youtu.be/rt6fhuiM2Co?t=504


https://youtu.be/0EVrrc-0U80?t=206
If you jump to 12:50 you see the troops.

[Libertas]

If they are pushing and flanking and doing aerial ground support and artillery this is more than a recon in force...it seems a methodical advance...because if there was little opposition most recon in force units would keep advancing and calling up the main body to secure what they covered, they aren't doing that, they are pausing...they know they need to consolidate before going into a larger city like Kharkiv...they are being careful regardless what the opposition puts in front of them using the forces they need to use.

Also, I am hearing chatter about a lot of Rus airlift activity in Konigsberg...like dozens per day...leading to speculation there is a buildup in progress and the Baltics going hot soon.  That'll be fun.

H/T-WRSA@GAB

Back in Ukraine...no democracy for you!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-justifies-ukraine-canceling-elections

And it's hilarious the people favor Zaluzhny!  It has more to do with keeping a corrupt POS in power over somebody they may not be able to control...

Trump needs to hound and ridicule FJB and the dems and cucks that support this sh*tshow!!!