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Libertas:
If this is accurate, Central Asia is embracing independence Ukraine was denied...and how ironic it got a jump-start by the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

Via EurasiaNet.org,

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has reanimated US and EU interest in Central Asia.

China has eclipsed Russia as the region's largest trade partner.

Central Asian trade is diversifying away from Russia and towards the West.

The Great Game is playing out once again in Central Asia, but it is getting a new name and adopting a different set of rules. Economics, not politics, is defining the terms of the current superpower competition for regional influence, according to a report prepared by a Kazakh research institute.
There is a key difference governing the global rivalries in Central Asia in the 19th and 21st centuries: these days, regional states, not outsiders, wield the more influence over potential outcomes, according to the report, titled Pursuing Multi-Vectorism Through Business Diplomacy: The Path for Central Asia. The report was published by the Talap Center for Applied Research.

“The region, previously the theater of the Great Game in the confrontation of superpowers, is now trying to become an opportunity zone,” the report states.

Russia’s unprovoked attack on Ukraine in 2022, and the imposition of Western sanctions to punish Russian aggression, changed Central Asia’s geopolitical dynamics by reanimating US and European Union interest in the region. By extension, Russia’s actions encouraged the diversification of trade and investment, changing East-West trade patterns connecting China and Europe. Sanctions have diminished the utility of the Northern Corridor via the trans-Siberian railway, while providing impetus for the growth of the Middle Corridor via Central Asia.

These changes have shifted Central Asia’s center of geo-economic gravity. China has eclipsed Russia as the region’s largest trade partner, while the overall trend is toward diversification of trade partners. The West’s share of Central Asian trade under the present dynamic is set to keep rising.

“The trade and investment dynamics in the region show a significant shift of diversification with non-traditional markets of Europe, North America, South Asia, and the Middle East since 2022,” the Talap report notes.

“This has become possible due to a traditional, multi-vector policy for the region, which, under the stress of escalating conflicts, was transformed into a policy of emphatic non-alignment – a firm rejection of any involvement in the conflict.”

The report notes that the contacts between the European Union and Central Asian states have “have gained a special dynamism” since the start of the Russia-Ukraine war.

It also notes that public opinion in the region indicates that a majority of regional residents do not want to get dragged into the confrontation between the West and Russia, which is supported by China.

The prevailing circumstances have forced Central Asian states to “balance a genuine interest in developing their ties with the Western world while being surrounded by Iran, Afghanistan, China, and Russia, countries with which the West has strained and even tense relations,” the report says.

Maximizing economic multi-vectorism will require some work by Central Asian governments to enhance the predictability of the regional business climate. Vaguely defined trade rules and property rights, along with the unreliability of regional judicial systems, remain big impediments to Western investment. The lack of mechanisms to enforce contracts or resolve corporate disputes also constitutes an investment barrier. In addition to bolstering the independence of the judicial system, the Talap report recommends reforms to regional tax codes to foster more “equitable” business environments.

“The investment climate in Central Asia reflects a difficult balance between the determination of governments to take advantage of growing interest in the region and the inertia of institutional barriers,” the report states.

“To take advantage of these opportunities, the countries of the region have to address existing institutional and regulatory barriers for both domestic and international companies and investors, strengthen the rule of law, enforce fair and open competition, implement business friendly tax regulations, and align trade, customs and logistical standards.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/great-game-returns-central-asia

I wish them well.  Hopefully they can hang onto it.

patentlymn:

--- Quote from: Libertas on April 26, 2024, 09:13:09 AM ---If this is accurate, Central Asia is embracing independence Ukraine was denied...and how ironic it got a jump-start by the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

Via EurasiaNet.org,

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has reanimated US and EU interest in Central Asia.

China has eclipsed Russia as the region's largest trade partner.

Central Asian trade is diversifying away from Russia and towards the West.

 ...

--- End quote ---

I do not think it has anything to do with Ukraine.
China is becoming the leading trading partner almost everywhere.
I get the "stans" confused.
Decades ago USNWR did a few long stories that shocked me. The USSR benefited many of the central asia countries.
At the time I thought it was similar to what the Romans did. Electricity, running water, and reading and writing are good things.
Teaching females to read and write did not go over well.
I got the impression that Russians subsidized central asian development.

One of the stans grew cotton. I read that the USSR held referendums on whether the USSR should remain intact
The results said "yes" but the results were ignored by the leaders. When USSR fell apart here was lots of looting.
Maybe it was easier with no USSR around.
Some places went to hell with no USSR to keep groups from killing each other. Tajikistan?
 
Speak of the devil. This just came on my YT feed. 90 pct of Tajiks voted to stay in USSR, Ignored. Then civil war.
Mr Bald is on the move again.

https://youtu.be/fBBiFhhY2to
This Country Tried To Ban Me! Find Out Why
465,775 views  Apr 27, 2024  TAJIKISTAN
🇹🇯 Five times I applied for a Tajikistan visa and five times I was rejected without reason. Then someone told me they knew a way to 'cheat' the system and so despite the government seemingly not wanting me I managed to get in. Join me in our 13th former-Soviet republic as we see what exactly it was the Tajik government were trying to stop me from seeing...

Libertas:

--- Quote from: patentlymn on April 27, 2024, 03:36:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: Libertas on April 26, 2024, 09:13:09 AM ---If this is accurate, Central Asia is embracing independence Ukraine was denied...and how ironic it got a jump-start by the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

Via EurasiaNet.org,

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has reanimated US and EU interest in Central Asia.

China has eclipsed Russia as the region's largest trade partner.

Central Asian trade is diversifying away from Russia and towards the West.

 ...

--- End quote ---

I do not think it has anything to do with Ukraine.
China is becoming the leading trading partner almost everywhere.
I get the "stans" confused.
Decades ago USNWR did a few long stories that shocked me. The USSR benefited many of the central asia countries.
At the time I thought it was similar to what the Romans did. Electricity, running water, and reading and writing are good things.
Teaching females to read and write did not go over well.
I got the impression that Russians subsidized central asian development.

One of the stans grew cotton. I read that the USSR held referendums on whether the USSR should remain intact
The results said "yes" but the results were ignored by the leaders. When USSR fell apart here was lots of looting.
Maybe it was easier with no USSR around.
Some places went to hell with no USSR to keep groups from killing each other. Tajikistan?
 
Speak of the devil. This just came on my YT feed. 90 pct of Tajiks voted to stay in USSR, Ignored. Then civil war.
Mr Bald is on the move again.

https://youtu.be/fBBiFhhY2to
This Country Tried To Ban Me! Find Out Why
465,775 views  Apr 27, 2024  TAJIKISTAN
🇹🇯 Five times I applied for a Tajikistan visa and five times I was rejected without reason. Then someone told me they knew a way to 'cheat' the system and so despite the government seemingly not wanting me I managed to get in. Join me in our 13th former-Soviet republic as we see what exactly it was the Tajik government were trying to stop me from seeing...

--- End quote ---

US Snooze is a charter member of the DeceptiCons...so, like commies in the MFM much of what they say has to be taken with immense grains of salt...

Also, I mentioned Ukraine only in that these Stans got better treatment than Ukraine did...I guess it is a matter of location, location and location...

Oh, BTW, do you see the masses deportations of Stans Muslims from Russia?

patentlymn:

--- Quote from: Libertas on April 29, 2024, 08:35:08 AM --- ...

US Snooze is a charter member of the DeceptiCons...so, like commies in the MFM much of what they say has to be taken with immense grains of salt...

Also, I mentioned Ukraine only in that these Stans got better treatment than Ukraine did...I guess it is a matter of location, location and location...

Oh, BTW, do you see the masses deportations of Stans Muslims from Russia?

--- End quote ---

How did the stans get better treatment than Ukraine? What time period?

The stans varied but got hydro power, electricity, education. WWII was not kind to Ukraine. USSR massively industrialized the Donbass.

I think that Russia assumed all the debts of the USSR. Ukraine was projected to be the best of the SSRs after the USSR fell.
Corruption was worse than even Russia then the Us 2014 coup. The hard core NAZI factions had outsized influence.

USNWR would have been maybe around early 70s. They were good back then. They almost did not cover current events weekly but more things of monthly or quarterly interest.

In the Bald video above the local confirmed what I  thought. When the civil war hit Tajikistan the Russians left taking tech skills with them. Then the jihadis killed people and looted the factories. Not sure who backed the civil war factions. Russians took off.

What I learned is that if you are from a Muslim region of Russian federation you have the rights as Russians. Some regions like Chechnya have more real autonomy.  There are no regional passports just the Russian federation. If you are from a foreign country say in central asia or US then you have a foreign passport and maybe a visa that lapses after a time and may or may not allow for work.

So the people being deported likely overstayed their visa or worked when they should not have. Even Russians inside Russia need a passport to board a train.


I learned that a small zealous group can have outsized influence. Only 13 pct of US wanted to separate from great Britain?  The Bolsheviks were a minority? The Ukr NAZI elements took over the diaspora organizations and had outsized influence helped with US money.

I think that when  the USSR fell it was rare to hear Ukrainian spoken in Kiev, the capital. Mostly Russian. Maybe 25 years later it became illegal to use Russian in govt or business or education.

Libertas:

--- Quote from: patentlymn on April 29, 2024, 05:06:47 PM ---
--- Quote from: Libertas on April 29, 2024, 08:35:08 AM --- ...

US Snooze is a charter member of the DeceptiCons...so, like commies in the MFM much of what they say has to be taken with immense grains of salt...

Also, I mentioned Ukraine only in that these Stans got better treatment than Ukraine did...I guess it is a matter of location, location and location...

Oh, BTW, do you see the masses deportations of Stans Muslims from Russia?

--- End quote ---

How did the stans get better treatment than Ukraine? What time period?

The stans varied but got hydro power, electricity, education. WWII was not kind to Ukraine. USSR massively industrialized the Donbass.

I think that Russia assumed all the debts of the USSR. Ukraine was projected to be the best of the SSRs after the USSR fell.
Corruption was worse than even Russia then the Us 2014 coup. The hard core NAZI factions had outsized influence.

USNWR would have been maybe around early 70s. They were good back then. They almost did not cover current events weekly but more things of monthly or quarterly interest.

In the Bald video above the local confirmed what I  thought. When the civil war hit Tajikistan the Russians left taking tech skills with them. Then the jihadis killed people and looted the factories. Not sure who backed the civil war factions. Russians took off.

What I learned is that if you are from a Muslim region of Russian federation you have the rights as Russians. Some regions like Chechnya have more real autonomy.  There are no regional passports just the Russian federation. If you are from a foreign country say in central asia or US then you have a foreign passport and maybe a visa that lapses after a time and may or may not allow for work.

So the people being deported likely overstayed their visa or worked when they should not have. Even Russians inside Russia need a passport to board a train.


I learned that a small zealous group can have outsized influence. Only 13 pct of US wanted to separate from great Britain?  The Bolsheviks were a minority? The Ukr NAZI elements took over the diaspora organizations and had outsized influence helped with US money.

I think that when  the USSR fell it was rare to hear Ukrainian spoken in Kiev, the capital. Mostly Russian. Maybe 25 years later it became illegal to use Russian in govt or business or education.

--- End quote ---

Dude, Russia didn't invade the Stans post-USSR...or threaten to if they did something they didn't like...   ::pokeineye::

And now Russian rights as citizens has met real ethnic Russians deporting Muslims back to the Stans...   ::hysterical::

And I read USN&WR back in the day...they slowly morphed DeciptiCon in late 70's and by 1990 was full-on DecptiCon...we didn't call it that back then, but the leftist incrementalism was there, kept alive by the likes of Kissinger et al...and re-sprouted under the idiot GHW Bush who straight up betrayed the Reagan Revolution...

And give up the language stuff already...conquered people throughout the New World speak the conquerors' language...pushing it as emblematic of natural subservience to continue for perpetuity is colonizer imperialism!

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