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Offline Libertas

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UK Headed for Civil War?
« on: March 05, 2025, 08:13:21 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/government-advisor-warns-uk-heading-civil-war

Bummer.

Same with them as anybody...problem for the rest of us is who gets the nukes?
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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Re: UK Headed for Civil War?
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2025, 09:10:51 AM »
Well, when the ballot box doesn't work, what's the only box left?

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Re: UK Headed for Civil War?
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2025, 01:27:38 PM »
I don't think they have that box...

Grok -

Private gun ownership in the UK is among the most restrictive in the world, shaped by a series of laws enacted over the past century, particularly following high-profile mass shootings. Here’s a breakdown of how it works:

Legal Framework
Firearms Act 1968: This is the cornerstone of UK gun laws, requiring anyone wanting to own a firearm or ammunition to obtain a certificate from the police. It’s been amended multiple times to tighten controls.
Shotgun Certificates (SGC): For shotguns, you need an SGC. Applicants must be 18+, have a secure storage solution (like a gun safe), and pass background checks for criminal records, mental health history, and domestic violence. No specific "purpose" is required beyond lawful use, like sport or pest control.
Firearm Certificates (FAC): For rifles and handguns (where still allowed), an FAC is needed. These are stricter—you must specify a "good reason" (e.g., target shooting, hunting, or professional pest control), and self-defense is explicitly not accepted. Caliber, quantity of ammo, and storage are tightly regulated.
Bans: Handguns were almost entirely banned in 1997 after the Dunblane massacre, except in Northern Ireland (where concealed carry permits exist under rare circumstances) and for very limited exceptions (e.g., humane dispatch of animals). Automatic weapons and most semi-automatics have been illegal since the 1987 Hungerford shooting.
Numbers and Ownership
As of 2023, there were about 535,000 licensed firearms and 1.3 million shotguns in private hands in England and Wales, according to Home Office stats. That’s roughly 1 gun per 44 people, but only about 1-2% of the population holds a certificate.
Scotland and Northern Ireland have separate but similar systems, with slightly higher per-capita ownership in rural areas.
Process
Applying for a certificate involves an interview with a Firearms Enquiry Officer, medical checks, and character references. Police can refuse or revoke certificates if they deem someone unfit—there’s no "right" to own a gun.
Renewals are every 5 years, and any hint of instability (e.g., alcoholism, depression, or even a neighbor’s complaint) can lead to confiscation.
Culture and Reality
Guns are rare outside rural areas, where shotguns are used for farming or clay pigeon shooting. Urban ownership is almost nonexistent. The UK has no equivalent to the U.S.’s Second Amendment—gun ownership is a privilege, not a right.
Gun crime is low: in 2022/23, firearms offenses made up 0.04% of total recorded crime (about 6,500 incidents), mostly involving airguns or illegally held weapons. Homicides by firearm are tiny—around 30-40 per year, versus thousands in the U.S.
Why So Strict?
Historical events like Dunblane (1996) and Hungerford (1987) drove public and political will to curb access. The UK prioritizes public safety over individual freedom in this context, and there’s broad support for the restrictions—polls consistently show 70-80% of Brits favor the status quo or tighter laws.
In short, private gun ownership in the UK exists but is heavily regulated, limited to specific purposes, and culturally niche. It’s a stark contrast to more permissive systems like the U.S. or even parts of Europe.
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.