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Simple answer to complex problem
« on: July 10, 2011, 10:36:28 AM »
 ::thinking::

While discussing [explaining to my wife] the budget and debt it occured to me that a forgotten
aspect to this problem is "the enemy" [congress] itself.
Get rid of the "enemy" solves the problem. How to solve problem ::thinking:: answer: TERM LIMITS
and drowning the lobbists  to be near and close to the dead lawyers already or soon to be at bottom of ocean.
Thus congree will not have any easons to solve debt and deficit issues. We already have POTUS limits as well as gubnetorial limits why havent we done this ::thinking:: answer the "enemy is US".
We are what we elect, stupid!!!

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Re: Simple answer to complex problem
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2011, 12:59:08 PM »
I'm always willing to look at term limits, and there are good arguments for them. But inherent in that debate are some arguments against them as well.

In arguing for them, we tend to blame career politicians and the corruption that comes with the power.

But how would we deal with kamikaze ideologues, willing to run for office once and "do what's necessary" for their cause? Imagine a congress full of people willing to say and do anything to get elected in order to fulfill a "mission", without the threat of electoral oblivion hanging over their heads? It seems to me that term limits would attract ideologues like flies. For what other reason would someone run for office, other than to fulfill what they believe to be their civic duty? How many Leftists are willing to say and do anything in order to create the desired results of their "civic duty"?

As it stands, the only non-violent power we have over politicians is the threat to remove them from office if they do not enact our will. Take away that threat, and what leverage do we have?

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Re: Simple answer to complex problem
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2011, 03:24:37 PM »
What I find sad is we shouldn't NEED term limits. Can we outlaw stupidity? ::laserkill::
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Re: Simple answer to complex problem
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2011, 03:29:08 PM »
What I find sad is we shouldn't NEED term limits. Can we outlaw stupidity? ::laserkill::

I wish.

Thanks to the Voting Rights Act, we definitely do need term limits, because of the laws mandating the perpetuation of majority minority districts ~~ always Dem ~~ which is how the likes of Sheila Jackson Lee and Maxine Waters keep getting reelected.

I'll add that we need to term limit the staffs and the bureaucrats as well.

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Re: Simple answer to complex problem
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2011, 04:46:11 PM »
I like the idea of a sliding bar within each  party primary. You must pass a general vote of confidence - 50% your first term, 60% the next and so on.
Then after you pass that bar, you have a primary to figure out who to run.  No one gets a pass to run again.  And heck, lets pick a group of  people out of the party rolls at random while we are at it.

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Re: Simple answer to complex problem
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2011, 04:47:52 PM »
Why are they paid?  They should receive a small stipend and a barracks to live.
They actually need to convene no more than one or two months a year.  
The founding fathers never intended for public office to be a career.

Every time they say they need to get back an "do the peoples business" I want to puke or run for cover.
If they would quit doing our business we would be in a lot better shape.

 

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Re: Simple answer to complex problem
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2011, 04:51:00 PM »
What I find sad is we shouldn't NEED term limits. Can we outlaw stupidity? ::laserkill::

I wish.

Thanks to the Voting Rights Act, we definitely do need term limits, because of the laws mandating the perpetuation of majority minority districts ~~ always Dem ~~ which is how the likes of Sheila Jackson Lee and Maxine Waters keep getting reelected.

I'll add that we need to term limit the staffs and the bureaucrats as well.



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Re: Simple answer to complex problem
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2011, 11:00:21 PM »
Why are they paid?  They should receive a small stipend and a barracks to live.
They actually need to convene no more than one or two months a year.  
The founding fathers never intended for public office to be a career.

Every time they say they need to get back an "do the peoples business" I want to puke or run for cover.
If they would quit doing our business we would be in a lot better shape.

 

What they mean to say is "We need to get back to interfere in the people's business"
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Re: Simple answer to complex problem
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2011, 11:18:59 PM »
Why are they paid?  They should receive a small stipend and a barracks to live.
They actually need to convene no more than one or two months a year.  
The founding fathers never intended for public office to be a career.

Every time they say they need to get back an "do the peoples business" I want to puke or run for cover.
If they would quit doing our business we would be in a lot better shape.

 


Damn straight.  Our business is none of their damn business.
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Re: Simple answer to complex problem
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2011, 07:04:56 AM »
Why are they paid?  They should receive a small stipend and a barracks to live.
They actually need to convene no more than one or two months a year.  
The founding fathers never intended for public office to be a career.

Every time they say they need to get back an "do the peoples business" I want to puke or run for cover.
If they would quit doing our business we would be in a lot better shape.

 


Damn straight.  Our business is none of their damn business.

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And your earlier statement - "I'll add that we need to term limit the staffs and the bureaucrats as well."

Oh hell yes!!!
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.