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McConnell Talking Tough
« on: July 12, 2011, 12:06:54 PM »
Frankly, I'm shocked. Hopefully this is not just a precursor to capitulation.

HT: gatewaypundit...

GOP Leader McConnell: Real Deficit Solution Is Unattainable “As Long As Obama Is in White House”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) offered his strongest criticism yet of President Barack Obama’s leadership in the ongoing talks.

“I have little question that as long as this President is in the Oval Office, a real solution is unattainable,” he said on the Senate floor Tuesday. Adding, “This was not an easy decision for me.”

Obama, he said, “has presented us with three choices: smoke and mirrors, tax hikes or default. Republicans choose none of the above.”

McConnell added the Democratic budget plan would provide only “a couple of billion dollars in cuts up front with empty promises of more to follow.”

”I had hoped to do good, but I refuse to do harm,” he said.

Congressional leaders will return to the White House at 3:45 today to continue negotiations on reaching a deal.
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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2011, 12:08:41 PM »
Rush warned Boehner yesterday that Duh Wun's looking to roll him as a re-election guarantee.

I suspect the same applied to McConnell.

They all better wake the hell up.
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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2011, 12:10:12 PM »
Quote from: Pandora on July 12, 2011, 12:08:41 PM
Rush warned Boehner yesterday that Duh Wun's looking to roll him as a re-election guarantee.

I suspect the same applied to McConnell.

They all better wake the hell up.

They are walking on a razor's edge.
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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2011, 12:10:39 PM »
"But after years of discussions and months of negotiations, I have little question that as long as this president is in the Oval Office, a real solution is unattainable,"

No sh*t?!

Follow through, Mitch.  Follow through!!!

Get suckered again, that's strike three  YEEEEERRRE OOOOOUT!
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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2011, 12:22:48 PM »
Marco Rubio on with Rush now.

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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2011, 12:37:38 PM »
Quote from: Pandora on July 12, 2011, 12:22:48 PM
Marco Rubio on with Rush now.



He was awesome on Hannity last night. As Michele Bachmann was awesome on O'Reilly.
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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2011, 12:39:47 PM »
Quote from: IronDioPriest on July 12, 2011, 12:37:38 PM
Quote from: Pandora on July 12, 2011, 12:22:48 PM
Marco Rubio on with Rush now.



He was awesome on Hannity last night. As Michele Bachmann was awesome on O'Reilly.


 And how!!
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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2011, 12:40:33 PM »
Old Mitch better start feeding the soon to be Mr.Obama his Peas.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2011, 12:45:12 PM by John Florida »
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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2011, 12:43:44 PM »
Quote from: John Florida on July 12, 2011, 12:40:33 PM
Old Mitch better start feeding soon to be Mr.Obama his Peas.

The worst part is I think I understood that ..............^^
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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2011, 12:44:55 PM »
Quote from: Pandora on July 12, 2011, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: John Florida on July 12, 2011, 12:40:33 PM
Old Mitch better start feeding THE soon to be Mr.Obama his Peas.

The worst part is I think I understood that ..............^^

 There all better.
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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2011, 12:51:26 PM »
Quote from: John Florida on July 12, 2011, 12:44:55 PM
Quote from: Pandora on July 12, 2011, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: John Florida on July 12, 2011, 12:40:33 PM
Old Mitch better start feeding THE soon to be Mr.Obama his Peas.

The worst part is I think I understood that ..............^^

 There all better.

 ::thumbsup::
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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2011, 01:06:53 PM »
Quote from: Pandora on July 12, 2011, 12:51:26 PM
Quote from: John Florida on July 12, 2011, 12:44:55 PM
Quote from: Pandora on July 12, 2011, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: John Florida on July 12, 2011, 12:40:33 PM
Old Mitch better start feeding THE soon to be Mr.Obama his Peas.

The worst part is I think I understood that ..............^^

 There all better.

 And be very afraid of understanding me. It's a sign of mental problems to come.

 ::thumbsup::
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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2011, 02:11:33 PM »
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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2011, 02:24:17 PM »
From American Patriot's RedState link:

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McConnell’s idea is to make the debt ceiling automatic unless Congress, by a 2/3 vote blocks the increase. Oh yes, he put a salve on it by dressing it up in tough talk that, to quote the Wall Street Journal, “[a] ‘eal solution’ to U.S. fiscal problems isn’t possible as long as President Barack Obama remains in office.” So since no “real solution” is possible, McConnell proposes to go Pontius Pilate and wash his hands of spending, blaming Obama while doing nothing himself.

Here is how the plan would work.

In a nutshell, the President would get to raise the debt ceiling three times in the next year at several billion bucks a pop without making any spending cuts unless two-thirds of both houses of Congress disagree. In his press conference, McConnell says he would not give the President “unilateral authority to make spending cuts on his own,” but this plan would allow the President to raise the debt ceiling pretty much automatically.As the Politico notes,

    Senate Republicans are actively pursuing a new plan under which the debt ceiling would grow in three increments over the remainder of this Congress unless lawmakers approve a veto-proof resolution of disapproval.

    In effect lawmakers would be surrendering the very power of approval that the GOP has used to force the debt crisis now. But by taking the disapproval route, Republicans can shift the onus more onto the White House and Democrats since a two-thirds majority will be needed to stop any increase that President Barack Obama requests.

Yes, instead of putting the burden on the White House, McConnell would make it damn near impossible to block a debt ceiling increase.

RedState links to National Review and "details from McConnell's office":

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   The initial legislation would authorize the President to submit a request to Congress asking to increase the debt limit by $700 billion, and would require submission of a plan to reduce spending by a greater amount.

    Upon receipt of the President’s request, the debt limit would be provisionally increased by $100 billion to provide breathing room and avert an August 2nd default.

    The House and Senate would have 15 days to disapprove of the request.

    Within three days of the President’s request, it would be in order for the House and Senate to introduce a joint resolution disapproving of the President’s request.

    Under expedited consideration of the Resolution of Disapproval, the resolution would be placed directly on the Senate calendar; the Motion to Proceed to the resolution would be privileged; there would be 10 hours of debate and passage would require a simple majority.

    If either chamber defeats the resolution, the remaining $600 billion increase would be allowed.

    If both chambers pass the resolution, it would be sent to the President for a veto or signature.

    If vetoed, debate on an override would be limited to one hour.

    If the veto is overridden (which would require a 2/3 vote) in both chambers, then the request would be denied and the provisional $100 billion increase revoked.

    If the veto is sustained in either chamber, the remaining $600 billion increase would be allowed.

    For the second and third requests in fall 2011 and summer 2012, the President could request an increase of the debt limit by $900 billion once the Treasury Department determines that the country is within $100 billion of the debt limit. The President would also be required to submit a plan to reduce spending by a greater amount.  Each of these subsequent requests would be subject to the same disapproval process outlined above.

Everybody got that?

I'm pulling my hair out over here.
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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2011, 02:53:23 PM »
You can spare it I don't have enough to pull out so I'll settle for swearing in all the languages I know!! 

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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2011, 03:39:32 PM »
So we will kick the can down the road....a few weeks.

Few weeks, few months, few years, we lose.
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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2011, 04:00:21 PM »
The Heritage Foundation has already responded to this "contingency plan":

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Washington – Heritage Action for America’s CEO Michael A. Needham released the following statement in response to reports detailing Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell’s debt ceiling contingency plan.

    There is no question that the Obama administration is fundamentally unserious about the types of reforms our country needs, but to date Republicans in Congress have been expressing their intent to use the debt ceiling as a means to secure systemic reforms that could save our country from fiscal collapse.  The plan that we are reading reports about today is a serious walk back from that position and would seemingly trade the leverage needed to achieve reforms in return for political gains.

    If Republicans in Congress believe they cannot strike a real deal with President Obama, they should begin making serious plans to live under the confines of a de facto balanced budget come August 2.

The Stupid Party strikes again. They just love to give away leverage.
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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2011, 04:01:45 PM »
Hah! And I almost said something nice about him!  ::doh::
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Re: McConnell Talking Tough
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2011, 05:41:35 PM »
Quote from: Alphabet Soup on July 12, 2011, 04:01:45 PM
Hah! And I almost said something nice about him!  ::doh::

 Perish the thought!!That son of a bitch just won't let you say anything nice about him.
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