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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2011, 10:50:30 AM »
From my travels around the internet, I've found that there are two topics that have a high potential for escalation into ugliness.  One is evolution/creation and the other is abortion.

The reason why us GCPers ended up at Conservative Talk in the first place was "an abortion thread that went nuclear" as someone put it.  After a thread that went on for several days, the previous administrator suddenly yanked the whole board offline.  We were greeted by a white screen and the words "Grouchy Conservative Pundits has been permanently deleted".

Due to his prior involvement with CT, it was Mike C. who got us temporary accommodations there while we set up a new place.  It's pretty ironic that he's also the reason why I'm posting here and not there now.
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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2011, 10:53:18 AM »
...After a thread that went on for several days, the previous administrator suddenly yanked the whole board offline.  We were greeted by a white screen and the words "Grouchy Conservative Pundits Gulf Coast Pundit has been permanently deleted"....

 ::thinking:: FIFY!  ::thumbsup::
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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2011, 10:54:23 AM »
From my travels around the internet, I've found that there are two topics that have a high potential for escalation into ugliness.  One is evolution/creation and the other is abortion.

The reason why us GCPers ended up at Conservative Talk in the first place was "an abortion thread that went nuclear" as someone put it.  After a thread that went on for several days, the previous administrator suddenly yanked the whole board offline.  We were greeted by a white screen and the words "Grouchy Conservative Pundits has been permanently deleted".

Due to his prior involvement with CT, it was Mike C. who got us temporary accommodations there while we set up a new place.  It's pretty ironic that he's also the reason why I'm posting here and not there now.

I was wondering about that and would not discourage you from adding to that anything you choose, I'll just ask you to do so in the protected (members only) section of the forum "Official Forum Business".  And now that I've written that, I'm unsure if that section has been made off-limits to lurkers as it was at IAF.
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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2011, 10:56:04 AM »
From my travels around the internet, I've found that there are two topics that have a high potential for escalation into ugliness.  One is evolution/creation and the other is abortion.

The reason why us GCPers ended up at Conservative Talk in the first place was "an abortion thread that went nuclear" as someone put it.  After a thread that went on for several days, the previous administrator suddenly yanked the whole board offline.  We were greeted by a white screen and the words "Grouchy Conservative Pundits has been permanently deleted".

Due to his prior involvement with CT, it was Mike C. who got us temporary accommodations there while we set up a new place.  It's pretty ironic that he's also the reason why I'm posting here and not there now.

I was wondering about that and would not discourage you from adding to that anything you choose, I'll just ask you to do so in the protected (members only) section of the forum "Official Forum Business".  And now that I've written that, I'm unsure if that section has been made off-limits to lurkers as it was at IAF.

The entire "official forum business" section is readable by registered members only.
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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2011, 10:56:58 AM »
...After a thread that went on for several days, the previous administrator suddenly yanked the whole board offline.  We were greeted by a white screen and the words "Grouchy Conservative Pundits Gulf Coast Pundit has been permanently deleted"....

 ::thinking:: FIFY!  ::thumbsup::

Heh!  My memory is questionable in the best of circumstances.
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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2011, 11:01:08 AM »
From my travels around the internet, I've found that there are two topics that have a high potential for escalation into ugliness.  One is evolution/creation and the other is abortion.

The reason why us GCPers ended up at Conservative Talk in the first place was "an abortion thread that went nuclear" as someone put it.  After a thread that went on for several days, the previous administrator suddenly yanked the whole board offline.  We were greeted by a white screen and the words "Grouchy Conservative Pundits has been permanently deleted".

Due to his prior involvement with CT, it was Mike C. who got us temporary accommodations there while we set up a new place.  It's pretty ironic that he's also the reason why I'm posting here and not there now.

I was wondering about that and would not discourage you from adding to that anything you choose, I'll just ask you to do so in the protected (members only) section of the forum "Official Forum Business".  And now that I've written that, I'm unsure if that section has been made off-limits to lurkers as it was at IAF.

The entire "official forum business" section is readable by registered members only.

Okay, good, 'cause I went looking in the Admin section for confirmation and I've no idea how you made that so.
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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2011, 11:08:49 AM »
From my travels around the internet, I've found that there are two topics that have a high potential for escalation into ugliness.  One is evolution/creation and the other is abortion.

The reason why us GCPers ended up at Conservative Talk in the first place was "an abortion thread that went nuclear" as someone put it.  After a thread that went on for several days, the previous administrator suddenly yanked the whole board offline.  We were greeted by a white screen and the words "Grouchy Conservative Pundits has been permanently deleted".

Due to his prior involvement with CT, it was Mike C. who got us temporary accommodations there while we set up a new place.  It's pretty ironic that he's also the reason why I'm posting here and not there now.

I was wondering about that and would not discourage you from adding to that anything you choose, I'll just ask you to do so in the protected (members only) section of the forum "Official Forum Business".  And now that I've written that, I'm unsure if that section has been made off-limits to lurkers as it was at IAF.

The entire "official forum business" section is readable by registered members only.

Okay, good, 'cause I went looking in the Admin section for confirmation and I've no idea how you made that so.

It's in "permissions"

ETA: No, scratch that. You determine who can see what when you set the board up. You can change it by modifying a board.
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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2011, 11:42:58 AM »
I wrote something in response but I am shelving it for the time being.

Sorry to see Pablo go.

As to Redstate and their troubles, this is a phenomenon that I have seen played out over and over on Internet discussion sites. The cliques, the drama, the Machiavellian intrigue - all that sh!t bores me to tears and offends me. But it reminds me of that mouthwash commercial from years ago: "I hate it but I use it".

I've mentioned (without details) similar troubles I've seen and had at FreeRepublic. Some individuals decide that their notions are the only acceptable notions and employ every tactic - no matter how underhanded - in order to hold that hill. So I did what I never thought I'd do - I sought alliances with like-minded individuals to fight fire with fire. Together we presented a vastly more formidable foe than our scattered and independent efforts ever did.

I believe that the goals of my group differ greatly from our adversaries. We recognize that bad press can ruin a conservative site and that our real enemies on the left are looking for every advantage they can find. They will exploit every chink in our armor. My adversaries at FR are too caught up in their vantage point to focus on the greater enemy.

My quick read of the Redstate mess looks disappointingly similar to what I've seen at FR. Factions or cliques get to internecine warfare and forget our true mortal enemies. It's damned unfortunate.


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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2011, 12:09:01 PM »
For my own part, I accept Christ as the savior of Man. I also believe the Earth is 4.5 billions years old, and that biological evolution is a reality. I've never found the two irreconcilable, but I know many people do. Regardless of position, there is little to be gained from militancy. Considering the work that needs to be done, I don't want to see rifts formed around doctrinal minutiae.
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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2011, 03:05:35 PM »
Wow, I didn't know about all that history.  I never interacted much with him, though.

When I was looking around IAF for threads to salvage, I found a comment of his that seemed to indicate that he favored the "Young Earth" hypothesis, i.e. that Earth is only a few thousand years old.  Needless to say, I strenuously disagree with that.

I better quit right there before I open up another rift.   ::unknowncomic::

Rickl,

Don’t ever feel like you cannot discuss something here.  I may passionately disagree with you especially if we are discussing Christianity but I will do my best never to humiliate, name call etc. I too, will do my best to respect you and your views and hopefully the worst that will come out of it is we will agree to disagree and live on to defeat liberalism.

My best friend who I love like a brother is an atheist I think really an agnostic but I will leave it there. My neighbors, and even some of my family are passionately liberal, so I am used to being in the minority in my beliefs, however I will make no bones about it I am a passionate Zionist born again Messianic Christian Believer. The only thing I ask if we debate is try not to speak ill of Yeshua Jesus Himself. You can call me any name you want…………. a big nosed stupid dumb dago Italian jerkwad……….. whatever but I love my Lord and I hold him in deep and Holy reverence.

Any way you discussed Young vs Old earth…………

Here are a few articles amoung hundreds dealing with the age of the earth wrt to a Christian viewpoint.

http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5639

http://www.skepticfiles.org/origins/gish-ros.htm


I do not have the time right now but I would be happy to discuss later if we want to.

As far as evolution; I graduated with a degree in molecular genetics and cellular biology - summa cum laude (but you would never know it as I am a terrible writer thanks to inner city public school education). I was accepted to medical school (but threw it all away as I liked drinking and girls more) I have dissected and studied dozens of human bodies in my graduate work. From that knowledge gained and the Bible I do not believe in Darwinian evolution.  

Anyway I have gotten in many debates about evolution and most end not in the evidence for/against but rather…………if there is a God why is their suffering. Again, I will be happy to discuss these issues, but for now I want obama/liberalism defeated.
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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2011, 03:58:42 PM »
I have visited Red State on occasion and have left comments. I forget the issue, but I made some comment that was ill-received by the "clique" on one occasion and the response seemed a bit strange to me. That left a bad taste in my mouth for those folks over there. I remember being personally attacked for posting my opinion regarding some issue. On a Conservative Issue forum.

Strange.

I had the same thing happen to me. I forget what the issue was, too, but the some sycophants jumped on me like a couple 'a bums on a baloney sandwich.
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I stopped going over there when Ericson preemptively banned any talk about 9/11 or birth certificate issues.
I did recognize they had a good political commentary, but there's enough elsewhere. I don't think I even got the satisfaction of self-deleting! It wasn't an option.

As far as PdF...I, too, was puzzled by the contradiction between his profession of faith at every opportunity and his incredibly dark and irresponsible comments on certain subjects. I know I agreed w/ him on the impending need for taking up arms, but I don't think I really day-dreamed out loud.
But, damn, he didn't even last a week!

My views...my views...yeah, the planet's, like, really really old. :)
I have seen too much scientific evidence and made too many observations, personally, to not believe evolution.
For the larger part of human history, religion was science, as much as it was a means to order a society to best facilitate co-existence. It's difficult to be productive when your killing for greed or sleeping with somebody's wife. That stuff's detrimental to progress, to say the least.
I do recognize that the Judeo-Christian ethic, on which Western Civilization is largely founded, is clearly the most successful. I'm sure that separating the teachings from teh belief may lead some to say I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too, but I don't think it's a full-subscription-or-nothing kind of deal. I strictly adhere to the philosophy of "Do unto others...", but don't ever waste my time on petty revenge.
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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2011, 04:12:25 PM »

I got the boot but I asked for it.
Got out in front of myself & pushed it.


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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2011, 05:13:53 PM »
When you talk about planetary age..........my youngest summed it up one day pretty well...........

when he said something to the effect of the 90's.......and that would be the 1990's.......

"the 90's seemed like ancient times....."   ::speechless::

in 75 years, who's going to really give a sh*t one way or the other, life is too short and if your whole life revolves around a blog you got issues that need more than a doctors help...........

so in the mean time...........

maybe we need one of these:  ::beertoast::  http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,246.new.html#new

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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2011, 11:03:19 PM »
Politics and religion...two subjects which can cause angst among those discussing thier beliefs.

One thing I try to do regarding posts on any message boards. I try not to allow any disagreements in one thread bleed over to others....I'm not always successful, but it is a goal. We may disagree in a thread....but completely agree in another.....I do my best to keep the subject matter separate. I believe I get a better understanding of stances and people this way.....Plus, the disconnect helps when choosing what stock, mutual fund, ETF, bond, etc, to invest. ::USA::

Whether it is a political board or a fishing board, certain subjects, other than the boards primary objective, will come up. Your personal religious beliefs or other beliefs for that matter,(whether we agree or disagree) will not create a disconnect, at least with me, over our shared conservative values.

So heres to debate, disagreements, arguments, jabbing, poking, prodding and ridicule......I do not expect to agree on every point...on any subject matter....Just remember to ask for Gods forgiveness if you mke me mad.....LOL...kidding.
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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2011, 12:15:34 AM »
This is why I don't do religion. No percentage in it. Nobody ever wins or loses because nobody changes their mind.
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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2011, 05:53:55 AM »
I love the way this thread has progressed. Really.

This thread discussion is an example why militant Islam is a mortal danger to Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hari Krishnah's, whatever. Muzzies don't want to enter into a polite, philosophical discussion. They want to cut your damned head off with a rusty scimitar.
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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2011, 08:44:28 AM »
I love the way this thread has progressed. Really.

This thread discussion is an example why militant Islam is a mortal danger to Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hari Krishnah's, whatever. Muzzies don't want to enter into a polite, philosophical discussion. They want to cut your damned head off with a rusty scimitar.


They want to cut each others heads off too. That doesn't mean that we need to argue over Religion at least not ours.
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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2011, 10:41:07 AM »
Wow, I'm out a few days and once again miss out on all the fun.  Well, OK, not all it was fun I see.  Wish Pablo well.  One thing is for sure, he's passionate, I just hope he isn't too zealous in his future dealings.
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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2011, 11:10:51 AM »
Generally I keep my spiritual business private. I'm the last person to be telling anyone how to express their faith.

Several years ago I found myself unemployed. It was a dry spell and so I looked beyond my chosen field to whatever honest work I could find. I saw an advertisement for a assistant position at a Christian organization (ain't gonna name them).

I applied and almost immediately got a call to come in and interview. The interview itself was interesting because of the additional religious component. They were impressed with my presentation even though it had been years since I had done that kind of work, but they were insistent on pigeon-holing me on the degree of my religiosity.

I explained my exploration of comparative religion, my study of Taoism, Confucianism, Islam, and Christianity and how this knowledge had all served to define my faith. But they wanted to know which "brand" of Christianity I practiced.

I explained that I considered faith and religion a deeply personal thing. I reminded them that my personal work ethic was peerless. I was rarely sick and consequently could trust that I would be on the job. I got along well with my co-workers and had several letters of recommendation to support that. That wasn't good enough for them and I didn't get the job.

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Re: Major league rift went down at RedState
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2011, 11:33:55 AM »
Litmus tests, no matter what the flavor, suck.  This nation was founded upon the principle of advancing by merit, the only limit being your own ambition.  Having said that, there is the long forgotten tradition of treating corporations, public or private, like individuals and possessing the rights accorded to them.  I can neither find fault with a religious organization hiring who they believe is the best fit for their company, nor do I find this violates the principle of merit.  Equal opportunity of choice, not equal opportunity of outcome, for both parties, is what matters, yes?

I trust it you found an acceptable home after all?

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