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« on: August 02, 2011, 11:51:56 AM »

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Open Letter: Why I Oppose the Debt Ceiling Compromise  [Sen. Rand Paul]

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today Sen. Rand Paul issued an open letter on the subject of the debt ceiling compromise facing the Senate. Below is that letter.

To paraphrase Jim DeMint: When you’re speeding toward the edge of a cliff, you don’t set the cruise control. You stop the car.

The current deal to raise the debt ceiling doesn’t stop us from going over the fiscal cliff. At best, it slows us from going over it at 80 mph to going over it at 60 mph.

This plan never balances. The President called for a “balanced approach.” But the American people are calling for a balanced budget.

This deal does nothing to fix the overreaches of both parties over the past few years: Obamacare, TARP, trillion-dollar wars, runaway entitlement spending. They are all cemented into place with this deal, and their legacy will be trillions of dollars in new debt.

The deal that is pending before us now:

  • · Adds at least $7 trillion to our debt over the next 10 years. The deal purports to “cut” $2.5 trillion, but the “cut” is from a baseline that adds $10 trillion to the debt. This deal, even if all targets are met and the Super Committee wields its mandate – the BEST case scenario is still $7 trillion more in debt over the next 10 years. That is sickening.

    · Never, ever balances.

    · The Super Committee’s mandate is to add $7 trillion in new debt. Let’s be clear: $2.5 trillion in reductions off a nearly $10 trillion,10-year debt is still $7 trillion in debt. The Super Committee limits the Constitutional check of the filibuster by expediting passage of bills with a simple majority. The Super Committee is not precluded from any issue therefore the filibuster could be rendered most. In addition, the plan harms the possible passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment. Since the goal is never to balance, having the BBA as a “trigger” ensures that the Committee will simply report its $7 trillion in new debt and never move to a BBA vote.

    · Cuts too slowly. Even if you believe cutting $2.5 trillion out of $10 trillion is a good compromise, surely we can start cutting quickly, say $200 billion-$300 billion per year, right? Wrong. This plan so badly backloads the alleged savings that the cuts are simply meaningless. Why do we believe that the goal of $2.5 trillion over 10 years (that’s an average of $250 billion per year) will EVER be met if the first two years cuts are $20 billion and $50 billion. There is simply no path in this bill even to the meager savings they are alleging will take place.

Buried in the details of this bill there also appears to be the automatic Debt increase as proposed a few weeks ago. Second half of the debt ceiling is increased by President automatically and can only be stopped by two-thirds of Congress. This shifts the Constitutional check on borrowing from Congress to the President and makes it easier to raise the debt ceiling. This would cede debt ceiling to the President, and none of the triggers in this deal include withholding the second limit increase.

Debt agencies have clearly stated the type of so-called cuts envisioned in this plan result in our AAA bond rating being downgraded. Ironically then, the only way to avoid our debt from downgrading and the resulting economic problems that stem from that is for this bill or the resulting Super Committee to fail, so that a Balanced Budget Amendment can save our country.

This plan does not solve our problem. Not even close. I cannot abide the destruction of our economy, therefore I vigorously oppose this deal and I urge my colleagues and the American people to do the same.

Sincerely,

Rand Paul, M.D.

U.S. Senator



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Below is the text of Hatch’s full speech delivered on the Senate floor this morning:

Mr. President, we are coming down to the wire here.  We will soon be voting on a proposal that would couple some deficit reduction with an increase in the statutory debt limit.  There are some positive features in this legislation, and the Senate’s Minority Leader, the Speaker of the House, and conservatives throughout the country should be commended for insisting on them.

First, the President asked for a clean debt limit increase, and conservatives refused.  They held the line and made clear that any increase in the debt limit required matching deficit reduction.

Second, having lost the fight over a clean debt limit increase, the President insisted on a balanced approach to deficit reduction, by which he meant reducing the deficit by raising taxes.  But conservatives again fought this back.  They knew that the primary driver of our debt is spending.  Regardless of the President’s talking points, non-defense discretionary spending is at historic levels.  We are set for our third straight trillion dollar deficit.  We have a national debt of $14.5 trillion, and the President’s budget would give us $13 trillion more in debt.  The answer to this is not giving the government more money to spend.

And third, conservatives resisted the effort by the President’s allies to push most of the deficit reduction in this package down the road.

So there are some achievements in this proposal that conservatives can hang their hat on.

But I regret to say that I will not be able to support it, because it does not sufficiently provide us with the solution to the debt crisis that the markets are demanding.  Last week, Moody’s made clear that the real threat to America’s Triple A rating is not default, which even the administration now acknowledges was never going to happen.  The real threat of a downgrade comes from a failure of will.  It comes from a failure of presidential leadership in getting federal spending under control.

There is a solution to this spending crisis.  It is Cut, Cap, Balance, which I was an early supporter of.  In addition to providing short term relief by cutting and capping spending, it provides for a long-term solution through passage of a strong Balanced Budget Amendment.

This proposal falls well short of Cut, Cap, Balance, and I cannot support it.

I would like to address a technical point about this package that raises concerns for me — whether the President is looking to the deficit reduction Committee as an opportunity to raise taxes.  He says that he is, as have some of my colleagues in the Senate.

I do believe that it will be very difficult, given the Committee’s charge to reduce the deficit, to raise marginal tax rates.  However, I worry that some Democrats will be looking at tax expenditures in order to hit the Committee’s required deficit reduction targets.

This would be a mistake for a number of reasons.  The President has referred to tax expenditures as “spending through the tax code.”  But rhetoric aside, tax expenditures are an opportunity for individuals and businesses to keep more of the money that they earn.  And getting rid of tax expenditures, without corresponding reductions in tax rates, will result in a net tax increase on the American people.

The President would have you believe that getting rid of tax expenditures is acceptable, because they only impact the rich.  That is why he talks about bonus depreciation for jets and yachts used as second homes.  Yet in a series of speeches, I have attempted to show that this rhetoric of class warfare might work politically, but as a description of tax reality it is lacking.  The fact is, the largest tax expenditures, those that the President and Democrats would have to look to in order to raise revenue for deficit reduction, benefit middle class itemizers the most.|

Consider the example of the home mortgage interest deduction.  This is the most significant of the itemized deductions available to taxpayers.  The mortgage interest deduction is the second largest tax expenditure identified by the Joint Committee on Taxation, and it is not primarily a benefit for the wealthy.  Thirty percent of the benefit of the mortgage interest tax expenditure goes to taxpayers over $200,000.  Taxpayers with income below $200,000 receive 70 percent of the benefit of the mortgage interest deduction.  By a ratio of almost 2 to 1, taxpayers under $200,000 benefit from the mortgage interest deduction.   Since $200,000 basically fits the definition of rich used by my friends on the other side of the aisle, we can see that the non-rich or middle income group disproportionately benefit from the mortgage interest deduction.

The larger point is this, however.  To the extent that the home mortgage interest deduction, or any tax expenditure for that matter, should be addressed by Congress, it should be addressed through the context of a comprehensive, revenue neutral tax reform that lowers rates.  These tax-expenditures should not be cherry-picked by the President and his liberal allies to pay for the giant checks that his administration has written.

Mr. President, I would like to make a last procedural point about where we go from here.  Even if Congress passes, and the President signs, this deficit reduction package, we are going to be back at this again before the year is out.  The President will be asking Congress to raise the debt ceiling again.  Given that, I would like once again to address the failure by the Treasury Department to respond to repeated requests I have made over the past week about Treasury’s short-term cash position, and the failure by almost every member of the so-called Financial Stability Oversight Council — or, F-SOCK — to provide Congress with information about their contingency plans in the event there is a ratings downgrade on U.S. debt in the future.

Does Treasury still think it will run out of cash by midnight tonight?  I have been given only limited information.  Treasury continues to say we will run out of cash today and will not be able to pay our bills, the same date they estimated way back in May.  But, Treasury won’t show me how they are arriving at that estimate.  I have not been informed, Congress has not been informed, and Americans counting on timely Social Security payments have not been informed.  Almost every member of the F-SOCK, including Treasury and the Federal Reserve, has refused to provide me with any information about their contingency plans for ratings downgrades.  Even if the debt limit is raised, there is no assurance that we won’t face a downgrade.  We need to know the government’s plans.

Mr. President, as I have said repeatedly, this is unacceptable.  I want to be clear about two things.  First, Congress will have to look into this matter very carefully, and investigate whether Treasury and most of our major financial regulators have been deliberately withholding information from Congress, and if so for what purposes.

Second, assuming that down the road Treasury will present Congress with another default date, I want to put them on notice that this fall I will be demanding timely substantiation of Treasury’s assessment and the government’s cash position.  Absent this cooperation, I will stand in the way of any debt limit increase demanded by an unsubstantiated Treasury-determined deadline.

Mr. President, in closing I want to be clear.  I cannot support the outcome of these negotiations.  But my opposition is not owing to the failure of conservatives or the Republican leadership in the House and Senate.  It is owing to what is clearly amounting to the failed presidency of President Obama.  He and his allies are ideologically committed to more spending.  Fortunately, the American people will have the final verdict on this economic philosophy in 2012.


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Re: Open letters
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2011, 12:01:20 PM »
Senate dipsh*ts passed it 74-26.  What a fricken joke!

http://www.foxnews.com/

Rand Paul is spot on.

And good luck Hatch, getting answers on F-SOCK or any shadow PPT from this Regime is DOA.

Embrace the horror, we are witnessing the death gasps of the Republic!

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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2011, 08:27:05 PM »
We needed Republican senators standing unified in opposition to this. God, how I loathe the Senate. I can scarcely imagine a more loathsome collection of individuals outside of a penitentiary.
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Re: Open letters
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2011, 08:30:27 PM »

Hey dude, that's insulting to convicts. 


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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2011, 08:50:24 PM »
I'm not a big fan of Hatch, but I have to admit he has his moments.
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2011, 09:19:23 PM »
I'm not a big fan of Hatch, but I have to admit he has his moments.

He does. Unfortunately, he's a remnant of the old way of doing business. He's always been a decent and likable guy. He's never seemed fake - always genuine. But he has been genuine both in his right-of-center politics, and his belief that bi-partisanship and moderation are virtues in and of themselves. Politicians like Orrin Hatch must go by the wayside if the ship is to be righted.

I leave room for genuine epiphanies. Orrin Hatch is desperately broadcasting his own. But I will remain steadfastly skeptical of such epiphanies unless they are demonstrated, and not just proclaimed. Orrin should retire for the good of the country. Allow a real conservative with the willingness to fight emerge from Utah.
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Re: Open letters
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2011, 09:34:07 PM »
I will not trust any pol who's been there more than 2 or 3 election cycles at this point.
He's not interested in saving the Republic...just his bacon. They all had a hand in creating this mess and now they want us to trust them to get us  out of it?
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2011, 09:39:19 PM »
I'm not a big fan of Hatch, but I have to admit he has his moments.

He does. Unfortunately, he's a remnant of the old way of doing business. He's always been a decent and likable guy. He's never seemed fake - always genuine. But he has been genuine both in his right-of-center politics, and his belief that bi-partisanship and moderation are virtues in and of themselves. Politicians like Orrin Hatch must go by the wayside if the ship is to be righted.

I leave room for genuine epiphanies. Orrin Hatch is desperately broadcasting his own. But I will remain steadfastly skeptical of such epiphanies unless they are demonstrated, and not just proclaimed. Orrin should retire for the good of the country. Allow a real conservative with the willingness to fight emerge from Utah.

Pork, too.  He's one of the big guns trying to force NASA to build their next-generation rocket, the Space Launch System or SLS, using solid rocket motors built in his state. 

SLS also stands for Senate Launch System in some circles.
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Re: Open letters
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2011, 07:27:19 AM »
I will not trust any pol who's been there more than 2 or 3 election cycles at this point.
He's not interested in saving the Republic...just his bacon. They all had a hand in creating this mess and now they want us to trust them to get us  out of it?

Yeah, sometimes it's hard to tell when a conversion is genuine or if it is just politically expedient to save ones ass.  I have my doubts on this one, he's been AWOL up until now.  I'll bet they'll be a stampede of ass-savers this election cycle!
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