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31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« on: August 06, 2011, 07:49:08 AM »
The crash is confirmed; the cause is not.  The Taliban claim they shot it down.

This is the single deadliest incident for Americans since the war began.

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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2011, 08:55:05 AM »
Jeez, I hate hearing of stuff like this. 31.

I know choppers are an integral part of ground deployment, but they seem do damned vulnerable to me.
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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2011, 09:00:03 AM »

They said Obama, single handed, pulled the trigger on Osama.


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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2011, 11:29:12 AM »
The Chinook helicopter is the one that my son works on.

I expect that he will be in Afghanistan early next year.

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With its steep mountain ranges, providing shelter for militants armed with rocket-propelled grenade launchers, eastern Afghanistan is hazardous terrain for military aircraft. Large, slow-moving air transport carriers like the CH-47 Chinook are particularly vulnerable, often forced to ease their way through sheer valleys where insurgents can achieve more level lines of fire from mountainsides.

The AP gets at least one fact wrong in this paragraph.

The CH47 is the fastest helicopter the Army has. Top speed of well over 200mph. But it is large so I'll give them that.

Since this was a special forces operation the Chinook would have been a MH-47E or an MH47G. Probably the Echo rather than the Golf but either one is very hard to take down because of armor and avionics. Plus they would have had at least one but probably two 50 cal machine guns mounted in the side doors. They can fight back.
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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2011, 11:37:33 AM »
I'm seeing reports that many of the dead are from Seal Team 6.
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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2011, 11:53:22 AM »
Afghanistan is not worth one more drop of American blood.  It's time to bring the troops home to deal with the traitors in our own government.  Afghanistan can be nuked if necessary.
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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2011, 12:22:12 PM »
Afghanistan is not worth one more drop of American blood.  It's time to bring the troops home to deal with the traitors in our own government.  Afghanistan can be nuked if necessary.

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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2011, 01:27:37 PM »

President Barama, this is another thing the previous administration [GEORGE BUSH] did; He held Afghanistan in check by disallowing medrassas and Tally Band training and recruitment, kept casualties to a bare minimum (much safer than the streets of Chicago), and didn't disrupt the buggers killing each other.
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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2011, 07:10:28 PM »
Helicopters are especially vulnerable in that high altitude, mountainous terrain. The air is so thin some of them are running full power just to stay airborne, then you throw in hot air at this time of year and it's even worse.

I agree with the above sentiments about getting out of there and simply containing the place with whatever means are required. I've long advocated we let them turn it into their 7th Century Fantasyland, and even encourage all the 'slims from the rest of the world to relocate to their Mohammadean paradise. Then, just play whack-a-mole from afar as necessary.
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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2011, 08:47:27 PM »

Miss Barnhardt offers a different opinion.

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The Execution of SEAL Team Six (Part 1)
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - August 6, AD 2011 4:08 PM MST
You're damn right I said it.

On May 5th I had an email conversation with a retired military man with spook contacts. All were in total agreement that the Bin Laden episode was pure theater. The SEALS were sent into a compound as evidenced by the lost chopper on site. But Osama Bin Laden wasn't in that compound. Osama Bin Laden has been dead for years. Bin Laden had a genetic condition that caused renal failure (this genetic condition is common among deeply inbred Saudi arab muslims). Bin Laden had been on dialysis BEFORE 9/11. Dialysis is difficult enough for people in first world countries who can have it done in outstanding facilities. Bin Laden was having it done either in caves or in homes post 9/11. People in renal failure having dialysis done in fricking caves do NOT live for ten more years. Period. There was no dialysis equipment found in the compound the SEALS raided on May 2. Of course there wasn't. Bin Laden wasn't in that compound because Bin Laden has been dead for years.

This is why the "body" was declared "positively identified" faster than any known DNA testing process in existence - and this DNA testing was carried out not in a lab mind you, but inside Chinook and/or V-22 Osprey helos en route to the USS Carl Vinson. The body was then dumped into the Indian Ocean in a mad dash to ensure that "burial" took place within 24 hours of death in order to "honor" musloid burial traditions. Not a single picture of the so-called "Bin Laden corpse" has ever been released - and never will.

The entire Bin Laden episode was stagecraft. It was pure theater that was designed to give Obama a boost in the polls and give distraction and cover. Distract from what? Cover from what?

April 20, 2011: The release date of Dr. Jerome Corsi's book, "Where's the Birth Certificate" is announced as May 17, and pre-sales begin on Amazon.com. Corsi's work is known to be extremely thorough and meticulous. Within hours, Corsi's book is #1 on Amazon.com - fully 28 days before its release. The Obama regime is panicked.

April 27, 2011: In order to diffuse and undercut the Corsi book, the Obama regime releases a PDF image purported to be a scan of his original long-form Hawaiian birth certificate. Within hours, thousands of graphic designers, many of whom are self-professed Obama voters and supporters, isolate and demonstrate with dozens of objective proof sets that the PDF released by the Obama regime is not just a forgery, but an astoundingly incompetent and obvious forgery.

April 27 through May 2: The Obama regime is now in a blind panic. Deeming it too risky, instead of commissioning the forged birth certificate from document and photo illustration experts within the CIA or NSA, the Obama regime instead farmed the project off on someone inside the White House with a functional but middling knowledge of photo illustration programs. To the thoroughly inexpert eyes of Barack Obama, Michelle Obama and Valerie Jarrett, the forged certificate file appeared extremely convincing, and was thus released with fanfare. Within hours, they knew that they had not only made a mistake, but a massive mistake that could land them all in prison. The forger was so incompetent that he/she didn’t even flatten the image thus compressing and masking the component layers before posting it. And that was just the tip of the iceberg of glaring flaws and errors. The mainstream press was, so far, completely complicit in the cover-up of the forgery, but Rathergate proved that if the forgery debunking generated any mainstream traction whatsoever, the end could come swiftly. The Obama regime needed a big distraction and they needed it fast. They had been planning on holding the staged Bin Laden capture and killing until 2012 – for the thick of the campaign, and perhaps as an “October Surprise”, but it would have to be moved up to now.

May 2, 2011: The Bin Laden operation occurs. In all likelihood, a low-to-mid level Taliban or insurgent leader is killed.

May 3, 2011: Within hours, Vice President Joe Biden destroys any notions of OPSEC and bellows to the entire world in public remarks at a dinner at the Ritz Carlton that the Bin Laden raid was carried out by “the SEALS”. Within hours Obama regime had gleefully leaked that the raid was carried out by “SEAL Team 6”, also known as DEVGRU. Up until this point in history, all DEVGRU activities and information had been highly classified. Now the term “SEAL Team 6” was blasted across every newspaper in the world, with Disney even moving to trademark the name. The Obama regime wanted the ENTIRE WORLD to know the name “SEAL Team 6”.

May 5, 2011: As I said earlier, I conversed with retired military contact with spook contacts regarding the obvious theatrics of the Bin Laden episode and the need for a cover-up by the Obama regime. The conversation ended with the following exchange:

Ann: I’m on the US Military casualty email list. It would be NO PROBLEM to “hide” casualties. It’s a steady stream out of Afghanistan.

Contact: look for training accidents in the eastern mountains.

May 6, 2011: Obama travels to Ft. Campbell, KY to openly “meet and congratulate” SEAL Team 6 members. This receives huge press coverage, and the press declares the incident “a huge boost [for Obama] going into 2012.” Video citation here:

http://abcnews.go.com/assets/player/walt2.6/flash/SFP_Walt_2_69.swf

The Execution of SEAL Team Six (Part 2)
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - August 6, AD 2011 4:07 PM MST
August 6, 2011: A Chinook helo is shot down in Tangi, Wardak Province, Afghanistan. Within hours, before family notifications could possibly have been completed, global press accounts positively confirm that 22 of the 30 Americans killed were not just SEALS, but members of SEAL Team 6. Again, DEVGRU operations have been, up until now, highly classified. Today, the Obama regime made a point of immediately revealing the unit identities of the SPECOPS forces among the dead.

In the past, DEVGRU men and other SPECOPS men have been killed in action, but their missions were so secret and so crucial to OPSEC that their deaths were covered-up by the government and attributed to such things as “training accidents” and the like – and I have no problem with that. These men understand going in to intense units such as DEVGRU that OPSEC is paramount, that they will never be publicly acknowledged for their heroism, and that if they are killed or captured in action, the government will lie about that in order to protect OPSEC and to prevent the enemy from gaining a propaganda and morale coup. Compare that reality with what happened today. The Obama regime distributed this information, and the Obama regime’s lapdog press instantly splashed headlines declaring this as the Taliban’s “REVENGE” for the “death of Bin Laden.” As I write this now, the Drudge Report headline in bright red reads, “REVENGE: SEALS WHO GOT OSAMA KILLED IN AFGHANISTAN.”

I’ll say what everyone else is thinking but is too scared to say. The Obama regime is almost certainly directly complicit in these deaths. The time, location and most especially, the PASSENGERS in the Chinook were passed to the Taliban. Additionally, you can’t take out a Chinook with small arms fire or even standard RPGs such as the Taliban use. The Taliban needed serious weaponry to take this helo down, and that serious weaponry needed to be in exactly the right spot at exactly the right time, ready to fire.

Why would the Obama regime kill Americans? I think the question is, why WOULDN’T the Obama regime kill Americans? The Obama regime is composed of Marxist-Leninist psychopaths. A glancing, superficial survey of 20th century history shows one glaring fact above all others: MARXISTS MURDER PEOPLE WITHOUT COMPUNCTION. Marxists also hate Americans, by definition. Three tacks:

1. The men on board the Chinook may have been the same men who participated or had direct knowledge of the staged Bin Laden raid and were killed to permanently silence them. See my email exchange of May 5 above.

2. These DEVGRU men were killed to send a signal to the surviving DEVGRU men who carried out the Bin Laden raid to keep their mouths shut.

3. Certainly, the release of the unit identity of the dead within hours – before even family notification could have been made (which requires an IN PERSON visit to the family, remember) was an obvious bow to Al Qaeda, the Taliban and the entire muslim world. This event was INSTANTLY propagandized by the Obama media as “revenge” exacted for Bin Laden’s death. And remember, Bin Laden has been dead for many years. The raid of May 2 was pure stagecraft to distract the world from the release of the forged Obama birth certificate.

I am not a conspiracy theorist. I can’t stand Alex Jones or any 9/11 truther. I have turned down dozens of interviews with such types. In fact, I am a huge believer in the Lex Parsimoniae, which is sometimes called “Occam’s Razor”, which states that the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one. I teach this as part of my job, namely that the cattle markets are neither manipulated nor impossible to operate within at a profit. The reality is that the cattle industry participants do not make money because they are functionally incompetent. It is very, very simple. True conspiracies are very rare.

This entire Obama situation is a conspiracy, and I say that without the slightest hesitation. Obama is not a citizen of the United States, he is a puppet front for a cabal of Marxist-Leninsts including Soros, Ayers, Dohrn, Strong, Jarrett and many, many others. These people are enemies of the United States. These people are deeply psychologically damaged, and are capable of ordering people murdered in order to protect themselves and increase their own power. The three dead homosexual black men from Trinity United Church of Christ, Young, Bland and Spencer, all of whom were sexually linked to Barack Obama, were probably the first people specifically murdered by the Obama regime. The hundreds of Mexicans and the two American agents Terry and Zapata were murdered by Operation Fast and Furious in order to advance and increase the power of the Obama regime. These SEALS and the others on board that Chinook today were almost certainly betrayed and murdered by the Obama regime.

Why did the Obama regime immediately reveal the unit identity of the SPECOPS forces involved in the first place, despite the fact that DEVGRU was highly classified? Why was the personnel composition of the Chinook released IMMEDIATELY today after the helo went down – before even family notifications could be made? WHY? Why would you hand your enemy, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, a massive propaganda coup? WHY?

I’ll tell you why. Because the Obama regime IS THE ENEMY. They are Marxist tyrants who hold the lives of Americans not just cheap, but in scathing contempt. They will say anything, they will do anything, and they will murder ANYONE in order to protect themselves and consolidate and increase their power. Please, I beg you, for the love of God and all that is good in this world, read the history of the Soviet Union. Read about Lenin and Stalin and how they murdered people without any hesitation. Read about how Hitler was constantly ordering the murder of his own officers. Read about Communist China. Read about Mao and the millions upon tens of millions of murders he ordered. Read about the killing fields of the Communist Khmer Rouge in Cambodia led by Pol Pot. PLEASE. Marxists MURDER PEOPLE. That is what they do. The Obama regime is MARXIST to the bone. If the Obama regime is not stopped, the 30 Americans murdered today in Afghanistan will be just the beginning. I promise you that.

Here, again, is the clip of Larry Grathwohl, who infiltrated the Weather Underground Marxist terrorist organization in the 1970s. The Weather Underground was founded by Obama’s political godfather, communist mentor (along with Frank Marshall Davis), murderer, and ghostwriter of “Dreams From My Father”, Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn. In this interview, taped in 1980 while Obama was still just an unknown undergrad foreign scholarship student at Occidental College, Grathwohl describes the leadership of the Weather Underground (which is Ayers and Dohrn) discussing what will be done with the “unreformable, diehard capitalists” once they have overthrown the government of the United States. The answer is extermination in camps in the Southwest. The estimated total that would need to be killed? 25 million, which was 10% of the population at the time. Ayers & Dohrn already have overthrown the government of the United States via their puppet protégé, Barack Obama. They have guaranteed that the economy will collapse. The only thing left for them to do is suspend the Constitution and open the camps. I’ll see you there.

Larry Grathwohl on Ayers' plan for American re-education camps and the need to kill millions



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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2011, 10:01:42 PM »
I like Anne Barnhardt but there is just way too much conspiracy here. The problem with conspiracies is that, when you actually have one, somebody always squeals. Usually several somebodies. People are like that.
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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2011, 10:11:14 PM »
Yeah, I wonder whether Ann has jumped the shark here.  It seems a bridge too far.

On the other hand:
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The Obama regime is composed of Marxist-Leninist psychopaths. A glancing, superficial survey of 20th century history shows one glaring fact above all others: MARXISTS MURDER PEOPLE WITHOUT COMPUNCTION.

That is absolutely true, without qualification.

We are rapidly reaching the point where today's tinfoil hat conspiracy is tomorrow's reality.  (I almost said "tomorrow's headline" but then I remembered the MSM.)
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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2011, 10:15:17 PM »
On the other hand, I had believed that Osama has been dead for years, and I already knew about his kidney dialysis problem.  And they disposed of the body right quickly, didn't they?
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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2011, 10:19:14 PM »
I would never have disclosed that they were members of seal team six.
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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2011, 10:29:51 PM »
Well, there is just too much rolled into this blogpost.

The "OBL was already dead" theory.
The "OBL raid was faked" theory.
And then the "OBL raid to distract and cover for the fake birth certificate" theory to cap it all off.

This is right up there with the "fake moon landing" theory and the myriad JFK assassination theories. When I see someone, anyone within the military...someone with some plausibility/credibility like SEAL members or a spec ops officer...or someone within the admin with some plausibility/credibility come forward then and only then will I give a theory like this serious consideration. Otherwise it's just another retread of the Clinton/Whitewater/Ft. Marcy Park conspiracy theories.

In a real conspiracy someone ALWAYS talks. Ask any of the still living Watergate coverup conspirators. Just about the only one who never talked (until it didn't matter anymore) was Liddy. Ask Richard Armitage about Valerie Plame. I could go on and on. Someone always talks. Someone always comes forward. Someone always tells their spouse. It isn't like the movies where the men in black swoop in and kill people right before they squeal.

Ask yourself, "Outside of the military, who in government is actually smart enough and skilled enough to pull sh*t like this off?" And the answer is "no one." Because they are all a pack of idiots. They prove it daily.
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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2011, 10:36:11 PM »
One more thing:

Who in their right mind would conspire to kill any members of the most elite team of trained killers the world has ever known?

Twisting the tail of the tiger is stupid.

Poking the tiger with a sharp stick is suicidal.
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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2011, 10:43:18 PM »
One more thing:

Who in their right mind would conspire to kill any members of the most elite team of trained killers the world has ever known?

Twisting the tail of the tiger is stupid.

Poking the tiger with a sharp stick is suicidal.

People sometimes do stupid things.  People who think they are literal gods on earth, and have a right to rule, sometimes do extremely stupid things.
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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2011, 10:59:40 PM »
The thing about Marxists is that they have no morals whatsoever, only the will to power.  They use normal peoples' morality as weapons against them.

They succeed because they are so utterly ruthless that they leave normal people standing stunned, like deer in the headlights.  Normal people have trouble comprehending why their leaders are deliberately trying to destroy the American economy.  Far too many people cling to the notion that Obama is "stupid" and "incompetent".  They still can't wrap their minds around the notion that he is purposefully destroying the country with the intention of making them all serfs.

That is a pretty good description of the state of America in the year 2011.  The Marxists are running the table, and normal patriotic Americans are just standing around watching them do it.  Some of us understand what is going on, but we are few in number.  We know what will be necessary to put a stop to it, but nobody wants to fire the first shot.
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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2011, 11:13:46 PM »
One more thing:

Who in their right mind would conspire to kill any members of the most elite team of trained killers the world has ever known?

Twisting the tail of the tiger is stupid.

Poking the tiger with a sharp stick is suicidal.

People sometimes do stupid things.  People who think they are literal gods on earth, and have a right to rule, sometimes do extremely stupid things.

Yeah, but when that happens people talk. They ALWAYS talk.

Operation Gun Runner/Fast And Furious comes to mind and people were killed in that one.

I do not buy into any notion that over two dozen US special forces troops could be murdered and no one would say anything about it. This wasn't a team of accountants that was killed. We are talking about a group of men who are trained to think and act independently during missions.

College educated world class killers.

If they had any reason to believe they had been betrayed by anyone in the command chain it would be ugly.
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Re: 31 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan helicopter crash
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2011, 11:17:33 PM »
If they had any reason to believe they had been betrayed by anyone in the command chain it would be ugly.

This is still pretty fresh.  I guess we'll see what, if anything, shakes out in the days to come.

Personally, I would welcome a military coup right now.  Obama is our Allende, and we need a Pinochet.
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