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A Reading List For Rubes
« on: September 03, 2011, 12:09:39 AM »
A small library for aspiring con men, grifters or anyone who needs to wise up.

Harry Anderson's Games You Can't Lose: A Guide For Suckers an easy and fun read...lots of proposition bets, bar bets, quick hustles.

Road Hustler: Grifting, Magic And The Thief Subculture written by Robert C. Prus...rare, expensive and hard to find...a fascinating read on the life of a grifter.

Gambling Scams: How They Work, How to Detect Them, How to Protect Yourself written by Darwin Ortiz...highly recommended...great section on carneys.

How to Detect Crooked Gambling: Marked Cards and Loaded Dice written by Frank Garcia...btw, no pro uses marked cards, too easy to detect and impossible to deny if caught...loaded dice OTOH are the tool of the dice mechanic.

The Expert At The Card Table - The Classic Treatise On Card Manipulation written by S. W. Erdnase...the book that every card mechanic owns. Over one hundred years old but has all of the classic moves...dealing bottoms, seconds, false shuffles, false deals, false cuts, palming, the pass, culling and much more.

The School for Scoundrels : Notes on Three-Card Monte written by Whyt Hayden...rare and hard to find. The following video reveals the basic move. There are many, many more moves such as one to employ when the sucker or mark inadvertently picks the winning card. The sucker never wins. Not ever.


"Nicking" at a card game should be almost self explanatory. Anyone know what a "shiner" is at a card game?
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Re: A Reading List For Rubes
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2011, 12:39:19 AM »
fascinating


I always assume there's a trick, even if I don't know what it is, so I never play...

I shall look for those books
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Re: A Reading List For Rubes
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2011, 02:26:36 AM »
I once had some dopey guy (who thought he knew how to run the Monte) approach me in a parking lot. He had no shills or anything just him and the cards. All he knew was the basic move. Cracked me up. I nicked the queen and proceeded to win every time much to his exasperation.
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Re: A Reading List For Rubes
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2011, 02:42:29 AM »
Notice the shill who "wins" at 1:30. This gets the suckers thinking that they can beat the game. It's all downhill from there.

If the mark somehow manages to guess the right card and win he will be relieved of his winnings outside by one of the other gang members. A properly run Monte game always has a big guy to handle the inadvertent winner or the sore loser. That's something left out of the first video.

A variant of Three Card Monte is the Three Shell Game. It is absolutely un-winnable and will also use shills and an enforcer.

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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2011, 03:03:50 AM »
So...what does the accomplished Monte worker do when the mark points to the correct card?

He employs a move called the Mexican Turnover. In this video the basic move puts the money card on the right. The Mexican Turnover exchanges the worthless card for the money card while it is being flipped over. Hard to see at slow speed. Impossible to see when it's speeded up just a little. Throw in some distraction and misdirection and your money is gone.

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Re: A Reading List For Rubes
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2011, 03:19:18 AM »
This is a promo for a Darwin Ortiz (mentioned above in the reading list) video. Ortiz runs through a fairly brief demonstration of false shuffles, false cuts, dealing bottoms, dealing seconds and basic palms, switches and steals. Of particular interest is the second deal demo where the top card is left face up while the seconds are dealt. They seem to melt right through the face up top card. Ortiz is a genius.

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2011, 03:29:30 AM »
There are at least two shills working this Three Shell Game. You don't see this in America much...mostly Monte.

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Re: A Reading List For Rubes
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2011, 03:38:44 AM »
Basic dice switching. A good mechanic can switch "loaded" dice in and out and you will never see it. There are several varieties of loaded dice. Could never happen in a casino...dice have to remain in full view always. Crooked craps games are usually held in a hotel room away from casino security cameras.

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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2011, 08:14:29 AM »
Man, that Ortiz fella is something else.
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Re: A Reading List For Rubes
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2011, 09:21:01 AM »
fascinating


I always assume there's a trick, even if I don't know what it is, so I never play...

I shall look for those books

Likewise, I've never been much of a gambler.

Once I was invited to a poker party. I've played just enough to know the fundamentals, but not enough to know the game. Tactics, strategies, game face, I knew nothing of these things.

So there I sat all serious faced and slowly gave away all my money. I was down to a couple of dollars when my host, no doubt sensing my frustration, Staked me to another $50 and a few drinks. He knew he would win it back soon enough.

The drinks loosened me up and my playing became bolder. I won a couple of hands and was able to pay back my host. The problem was that the liquor also made me reckless and in a flash I was broke - again. The next morning I surveyed my empty wallet through bloodshot eyes and had an epiphany - gambling wasn't for me! I haven't played since.

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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2011, 10:11:46 AM »
I don't play poker often. But when I do, I've learned to look at it like a night of entertainment, with a commensurate cost. If I can play .25¢ - $1 poker for a whole night with my buddies and lose $50-$100, I haven't spent any more money than back in the day when I used to drink in bars, or the amount it would cost for a reasonable dinner and a movie.

So I go into it with the amount of money I'm willing to spend on an evening's entertainment. If I lose every penny, I still had a great time yukkin' it up with my boys. If I win, well, boo-yah!
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."

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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2011, 06:30:27 PM »
I don't play poker often. But when I do, I've learned to look at it like a night of entertainment, with a commensurate cost. If I can play .25¢ - $1 poker for a whole night with my buddies and lose $50-$100, I haven't spent any more money than back in the day when I used to drink in bars, or the amount it would cost for a reasonable dinner and a movie.

So I go into it with the amount of money I'm willing to spend on an evening's entertainment. If I lose every penny, I still had a great time yukkin' it up with my boys. If I win, well, boo-yah!

That was my pleasurable experience with poker then one of the fellas invited me to a different game.  I thought it would be the same game with new folks.  Surprise, it was different folks and a real game  -three raise pot limit- which came to me rather suddenly when I found myself down one weeks pay.  Luckily I managed to straighten up and remember some techniques a buddy from the past had shared with me.  I diligently applied the techniques and within an hour or so I broke even and got the hell out of there.

My leaving did not disrupt the game, there were fools waiting more eager to lose their money than I.
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Re: A Reading List For Rubes
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2011, 07:25:14 PM »
fascinating


I always assume there's a trick, even if I don't know what it is, so I never play...

I shall look for those books

Likewise, I've never been much of a gambler.

Once I was invited to a poker party. I've played just enough to know the fundamentals, but not enough to know the game. Tactics, strategies, game face, I knew nothing of these things.

So there I sat all serious faced and slowly gave away all my money. I was down to a couple of dollars when my host, no doubt sensing my frustration, Staked me to another $50 and a few drinks. He knew he would win it back soon enough.

The drinks loosened me up and my playing became bolder. I won a couple of hands and was able to pay back my host. The problem was that the liquor also made me reckless and in a flash I was broke - again. The next morning I surveyed my empty wallet through bloodshot eyes and had an epiphany - gambling wasn't for me! I haven't played since.

I don't know the gambling/poker basics either and I don't want to know; I always play with "scared money" and there is simply no pleasure in it for me.  I know there are certain "rules" for Blackjack, and if one doesn't know or conform (how and when to draw cards) the other players are sure to bitchily inform one.  I'd rather put the money toward a nice dinner .... or shoes.

Mom "does" Atlantic City -- not poker, though -- and I ask, when she returns, "so, did you make a deposit or did you play for free?"

I can and will "kill" you at Yahtzee, though.
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Re: A Reading List For Rubes
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2011, 09:46:02 PM »
...I can and will "kill" you at Yahtzee, though.

LOVE me some Yahtzee.
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Re: A Reading List For Rubes
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2011, 03:11:27 AM »
Why does Stymie keep playing "Three Card Monte" with one card ?

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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2011, 07:57:39 AM »
Why does Stymie keep playing "Three Card Monte" with one card ?

Because he thinks he's the Ace of Spades and that's all he needs.
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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2011, 07:58:08 AM »
...I can and will "kill" you at Yahtzee, though.

LOVE me some Yahtzee.

Triple Yahtzee, baby!
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Re: A Reading List For Rubes
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2011, 07:33:47 PM »
I play a mean game of crazy 8's--one of my daughters refuses to play with me....though I think that has
something to do with me enjoying winning too much  ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban::
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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2011, 07:44:42 PM »
I forget if I know how to play Crazy 8's, but I remember I DO know how to play Sevens.

/getting old: not for the faint of heart.
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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2011, 05:38:01 AM »
We used to play nickel/dime a point backgammon back in college, using the doubling cube.  Made my beer money that way.  Of course, a cheap six was only $1.50, but I digress.  The point is that I am a consistent winner in backgammon, though I've never gambled on cribbage, but can see how one can lose his shirt playing only a nickel a point what with skunks and double skunks (have never seen a triple skunk, nor ever a max 29, but plenty of marlboroughs, though).  The casino games are stacked against the player, and poker is a skill you either have or you don't (I don't).  You can study and raise a mediocre poker player to something not so horrible, but a good poker player can still read you like a cheap newspaper (that's the innate, people reading skills required).  That's why I do wonder at all those poker book 'testamonials'; they remind me of so many prepaid cooking product advertising on tv at 4 in the morning.