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Are Americans Ready for All-Out Civil War?
« on: September 07, 2011, 08:43:22 AM »
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As the political left drives the U.S. economy towards the brink of no return and an increasing number of average Americans find themselves in desperate financial situations, crime is on the rise and social tensions are rocketing towards a historic level in the land of milk and honey.  

Yes, I am predicting the Second American Civil War, but only because the political left is working around the clock to incite outright socio-economic and race warfare in America.

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Unlike any prior American administration, this one is intentionally destroying what’s left of America’s free-market prosperity and now they are openly calling for all-out war on all patriotic Americans. Obama’s civilian army is ready to roll in the streets of the U.S.A. and as labor union leader Jimmy Hoffa, Jr. put it at a Labor Day weekend rally, “Let’s take these son of a bitchs out!” – telling Barack Obama that “we (labor union members) are your army and we are ready to march.”

President Barack Obama proudly accepts Hoffa’s call for war against the 88% of Americans who do not belong to labor unions.

Days before, leaders of the Democratic Socialist Black Caucus called upon blacks to begin race wars against white Americans in the streets, and make runs on U.S. banks to cause even more economic chaos during the most tumultuous economic time since the Great Depression.

In Cincinnati Ohio, Vice President Joseph Biden spoke to the AFL-CIO referred to patriotic Americans as “barbarians at the gate” and called upon all union thugs to “stand up” against American taxpayers who have been Taxed Enough Already.

Biden claimed that “this is a fight for the heart and soul of the labor movement in America” – and that this is the time for all union thugs to stand a fight against their sworn enemy, the American taxpayer.

Never before in U.S. history has an administration taken such overt actions to create a class/race war in America, using the army they built out of minority groups, without whom, a Democrat Party would not even exist today.
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Re: Are Americans Ready for All-Out Civil War?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2011, 08:51:11 AM »
The unfortunate reality of any coming unrest is that there is no geographical divide, or clear-cut ways to define an enemy.

As I've said before, who you gonna shoot?

Unless we can turn back the horde at the ballot box, rather than civil war, we will see chaos, seemingly random violence, class warfare, and I fear, government crackdown.
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Re: Are Americans Ready for All-Out Civil War?
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2011, 09:02:42 AM »
The unfortunate reality of any coming unrest is that there is no geographical divide, or clear-cut ways to define an enemy.

As I've said before, who you gonna shoot?

Unless we can turn back the horde at the ballot box, rather than civil war, we will see chaos, seemingly random violence, class warfare, and I fear, government crackdown.


The Liberals are making it quite clear who the enemy is. At first they talked as if the Tea Party would burn itself out. When that didn't happen they went at them with a vengeance. We are the Tea Party, this mythical divide the Liberals are trying to portray is everyday Americans, and we own it. They are your Neighbors and Friends. Only difference, they stood when most Americans wouldn't. Now is the time to stand, and if it's war they want, it is war they will get!

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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2011, 09:13:13 AM »
The unfortunate reality of any coming unrest is that there is no geographical divide, or clear-cut ways to define an enemy.

As I've said before, who you gonna shoot?

Unless we can turn back the horde at the ballot box, rather than civil war, we will see chaos, seemingly random violence, class warfare, and I fear, government crackdown.


The Liberals are making it quite clear who the enemy is. At first they talked as if the Tea Party would burn itself out. When that didn't happen they went at them with a vengeance. We are the Tea Party, this mythical divide the Liberals are trying to portray is everyday Americans, and we own it. They are your Neighbors and Friends. Only difference, they stood when most Americans wouldn't. Now is the time to stand, and if it's war they want, it is war they will get!

Yeah, I get that JPat. My point is, when you walk out your door with the intent of making war, outside of your own circle of acquaintance, how are you gonna tell enemy from friend? How do you know who to shoot, and who to trust?

People aren't going to be wearing uniforms, or wearing signs that identify them as liberals. Our country is split, and while one can generalize and say that urban areas are mostly liberal and suburban/rural areas are mostly conservative, that is nothing upon which to base a determination of friend/foe status. Even here in Wright County Minnesota, the most conservative county in Michele Bachmann's district - the county that all but ensures conservative representation for this district - the divide is not even 60%-40%. How would I know who to shoot?

So my point is that "civil war" as we think of it, is very unlikely to occur. It will more likely come in the form of societal breakdown, and government asserting control in the aftermath.
"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."

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Re: Are Americans Ready for All-Out Civil War?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2011, 09:16:04 AM »
Although, it doesn't take a majority to win a Civil War, the odds are long against us winning.
Way longer than the Revolution.

Some random thoughts.
Military is not a sure thing to support us.
The guv has the media behind them to point out the atrocities we commit.
Most have been dumbed down by the public education system
Food will be controlled by the guv and will be used to buy loyalty
Technology gives us Big Brother.
No organization
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Re: Are Americans Ready for All-Out Civil War?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2011, 09:21:06 AM »
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Yeah, I get that JPat. My point is, when you walk out your door with the intent of making war, outside of your own circle of acquaintance, how are you gonna tell enemy from friend? How do you know who to shoot, and who to trust?

What, you haven't been making lists?  ::angel::

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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2011, 09:31:03 AM »
People ascribe omnipotence to the government, and it uses that assumption to its advantage. I don't think reality will bear out any such thing. It's all going to go *poof* one day just like the Mighty Bear, the USSR.

Our side sometimes makes the same mistake the Left does when they're talking about corporations, forgetting that all the traits the ascribe to "the corporations" ultimately come down to individual human beings. The same is true of the government. All it is is a collection of individual human beings who currently get their bread buttered by maintaining its preeminence. That won't always be the case. It's running out of ways to pay for its profligacy and about the only options it will soon have left are outright confiscation and coercion by force of arms.
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Re: Are Americans Ready for All-Out Civil War?
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2011, 09:31:48 AM »
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Yeah, I get that JPat. My point is, when you walk out your door with the intent of making war, outside of your own circle of acquaintance, how are you gonna tell enemy from friend? How do you know who to shoot, and who to trust?

What, you haven't been making lists?  ::angel::

Maybe I can borrow Pandora's.
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Re: Are Americans Ready for All-Out Civil War?
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2011, 09:32:47 AM »
Have faith in God. The enemy will present itself clearly. The enemy is Satan and his followers and they always out themselves mostly inadverdantly as to what their plans are, how they're going to do it and they will identitfy themselves and then you and I will know who is supporting them allowing a line of site to pick them off.

Who knows, it may be a situation much like Beirut. Chances are people will pick up and move to the camps that satisfy their preference.

The election of the next president could spark it all much as it did when no 16 won election. Even then, the DemonRats in the North didn't favor the GOP'ers, they just objected to the secession of the South.
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Re: Are Americans Ready for All-Out Civil War?
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2011, 09:36:49 AM »
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Yeah, I get that JPat. My point is, when you walk out your door with the intent of making war, outside of your own circle of acquaintance, how are you gonna tell enemy from friend? How do you know who to shoot, and who to trust?

What, you haven't been making lists?  ::angel::

Maybe I can borrow Pandora's.
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I certainly remember who voted for the asshat and the rest all where bumber stickers on their car and front lawn.
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Re: Are Americans Ready for All-Out Civil War?
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2011, 09:44:53 AM »

As I've said before, who you gonna shoot?


Simple. We do it the same way every regime has done it. A purge. Go get the Democratic voting list and round them up. Make arrangements with the communist regimes of the world- you give us your dissidents, we will give you ours.  Those who don't want to leave peacefully, we shoot. And those who think this is unkind or unfair should remember these people would never even have that thought if they were rounding you up.


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Re: Are Americans Ready for All-Out Civil War?
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2011, 09:59:06 AM »
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Yeah, I get that JPat. My point is, when you walk out your door with the intent of making war, outside of your own circle of acquaintance, how are you gonna tell enemy from friend? How do you know who to shoot, and who to trust?

What, you haven't been making lists?  ::angel::

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Re: Are Americans Ready for All-Out Civil War?
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2011, 10:01:48 AM »
People ascribe omnipotence to the government, and it uses that assumption to its advantage. I don't think reality will bear out any such thing. It's all going to go *poof* one day just like the Mighty Bear, the USSR.

Our side sometimes makes the same mistake the Left does when they're talking about corporations, forgetting that all the traits the ascribe to "the corporations" ultimately come down to individual human beings. The same is true of the government. All it is is a collection of individual human beings who currently get their bread buttered by maintaining its preeminence. That won't always be the case. It's running out of ways to pay for its profligacy and about the only options it will soon have left are outright confiscation and coercion by force of arms.

Balkanization.  A fractured nation ripe for foreign intrigue and adventure...the ultimate looters paradise.  We freedom-loving God-fearing liberty-yearning people will be fortunate to coalesce into one or more strongholds with which to preserve our way of life...
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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Re: Are Americans Ready for All-Out Civil War?
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2011, 10:07:32 AM »
War is a term for conflict. America is in conflict like it or not. Liberals have taken over our Federal Government, actually, for the first time. The Democratic Party no longer exists as we know it. Liberals are just as bad as any Ideology ever, in fact much worse. Liberals have the power to enslave, or destroy this Planet.

The United States is the last vestige for sanity in the World and it's demise would surely plunge the World into another Dark Ages. What we do today, and in the coming Months until election, is maybe the most important time since the birth of Jesus Christ. War, we are in it whether we like it or not. We must not loose it!

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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2011, 10:30:47 AM »
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Yeah, I get that JPat. My point is, when you walk out your door with the intent of making war, outside of your own circle of acquaintance, how are you gonna tell enemy from friend? How do you know who to shoot, and who to trust?

What, you haven't been making lists?  ::angel::

Maybe I can borrow Pandora's.
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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2011, 11:01:39 AM »
By their fruits, you'll know them.

Glock wrote:  "... government ... is a collection of individual human beings who currently get their bread buttered by maintaining its preeminence. That won't always be the case. It's running out of ways to pay for its profligacy and about the only options it will soon have left are outright confiscation and coercion by force of arms."

That applies right to the local level.

Example:  a local someone, but unknown to me personally, recently insisted that property revaluations should not be done soon because, as "high end homes" have decreased more in value than "low end homes", tax decreases would fall disproportionately to the "high-enders" and that wouldn't be fair. 

Persons like this will reveal themselves when the time comes to make certain, more vital decisions and will be in groups willing to use force to see their course is followed.
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Re: Are Americans Ready for All-Out Civil War?
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2011, 11:47:51 AM »
The unfortunate reality of any coming unrest is that there is no geographical divide, or clear-cut ways to define an enemy.

As I've said before, who you gonna shoot?

Unless we can turn back the horde at the ballot box, rather than civil war, we will see chaos, seemingly random violence, class warfare, and I fear, government crackdown.


The Liberals are making it quite clear who the enemy is. At first they talked as if the Tea Party would burn itself out. When that didn't happen they went at them with a vengeance. We are the Tea Party, this mythical divide the Liberals are trying to portray is everyday Americans, and we own it. They are your Neighbors and Friends. Only difference, they stood when most Americans wouldn't. Now is the time to stand, and if it's war they want, it is war they will get!

Yeah, I get that JUst. My point is, when you walk out your door with the intent of making war, outside of your own circle of acquaintance, how are you gonna tell enemy from friend? How do you know who to shoot, and who to trust?

People aren't going to be wearing uniforms, or wearing signs that identify them as liberals. Our country is split, and while one can generalize and say that urban areas are mostly liberal and suburban/rural areas are mostly conservative, that is nothing upon which to base a determination of friend/foe status. Even here in Wright County Minnesota, the most conservative county in Michele Bachmann's district - the county that all but ensures conservative representation for this district - the divide is not even 60%-40%. How would I know who to shoot?

So my point is that "civil war" as we think of it, is very unlikely to occur. It will more likely come in the form of societal breakdown, and government asserting control in the aftermath.





My Father, and just about all my Uncles fought in WWII. My Grandfather was in the Rainbow Division in WWI. My Great Great Uncle fought in the Civil War and was awarded the Medal Of Honor. Now, here I am a Baby Boomer," who's Generation really cluster fudged this Country up.

Now, my Sons Generation is made up of "The Greatest Generation" types, and General Fudge Ups even worse than my Generation. It is either NOW or never. If Obama wins another term, game over. Couldn't possibly survive four more years.

Anybody wonder how survivors of WWII feel now? I am ashamed, all they sacrificed was in vain if we continue down this road. I am to blame, as is all Baby Boomers, and beyond. We all are responsible for our here and now. We need our now to mean something. So our Grandchildren and there's, realise what the sacrifices made in WWII, were about!   

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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2011, 11:50:22 AM »
If Obama wins another term, game over.

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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2011, 11:59:49 AM »
The unfortunate reality of any coming unrest is that there is no geographical divide, or clear-cut ways to define an enemy.

As I've said before, who you gonna shoot?

Unless we can turn back the horde at the ballot box, rather than civil war, we will see chaos, seemingly random violence, class warfare, and I fear, government crackdown.


The Liberals are making it quite clear who the enemy is. At first they talked as if the Tea Party would burn itself out. When that didn't happen they went at them with a vengeance. We are the Tea Party, this mythical divide the Liberals are trying to portray is everyday Americans, and we own it. They are your Neighbors and Friends. Only difference, they stood when most Americans wouldn't. Now is the time to stand, and if it's war they want, it is war they will get!

Yeah, I get that JUst. My point is, when you walk out your door with the intent of making war, outside of your own circle of acquaintance, how are you gonna tell enemy from friend? How do you know who to shoot, and who to trust?

People aren't going to be wearing uniforms, or wearing signs that identify them as liberals. Our country is split, and while one can generalize and say that urban areas are mostly liberal and suburban/rural areas are mostly conservative, that is nothing upon which to base a determination of friend/foe status. Even here in Wright County Minnesota, the most conservative county in Michele Bachmann's district - the county that all but ensures conservative representation for this district - the divide is not even 60%-40%. How would I know who to shoot?

So my point is that "civil war" as we think of it, is very unlikely to occur. It will more likely come in the form of societal breakdown, and government asserting control in the aftermath.





My Father, and just about all my Uncles fought in WWII. My Grandfather was in the Rainbow Division in WWI. My Great Great Uncle fought in the Civil War and was awarded the Medal Of Honor. Now, here I am a Baby Boomer," who's Generation really cluster fudged this Country up.

Now, my Sons Generation is made up of "The Greatest Generation" types, and General Fudge Ups even worse than my Generation. It is either NOW or never. If Obama wins another term, game over. Couldn't possibly survive four more years.

Anybody wonder how survivors of WWII feel now? I am ashamed, all they sacrificed was in vain if we continue down this road. I am to blame, as is all Baby Boomers, and beyond. We all are responsible for our here and now. We need our now to mean something. So our Grandchildren and there's, realise what the sacrifices made in WWII, were about!   

This may sound bad but I have actually prayed that God knocks off Obozo!! ::rockets::

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There ARE More of US than Them: The Oath Keepers Oath

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March 3rd, 2009

Declaration Of Orders We Will Not Obey

        


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“The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army” -- Gen. George Washington, to his troops before the battle of Long Island


Such a time is near at hand again. The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this Army -- and this Marine Corps, This Air Force, This Navy and the National Guard and police units of these sovereign states.

Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, peace officers, fire-fighters, and veterans who swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic … and meant it. We won’t “just follow orders.”

Below is our declaration of orders we will NOT obey because we will consider them unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral violations of the natural rights of the people. Such orders would be acts of war against the American people by their own government, and thus acts of treason. We will not make war against our own people. We will not commit treason. We will defend the Republic.

Declaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey
Recognizing that we each swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and affirming that we are guardians of the Republic, of the principles in our Declaration of Independence, and of the rights of our people, we affirm and declare the following:

1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.

The attempt to disarm the people on April 19, 1775 was the spark of open conflict in the American Revolution. That vile attempt was an act of war, and the American people fought back in justified, righteous self-defense of their natural rights. Any such order today would also be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason. We will not make war on our own people, and we will not commit treason by obeying any such treasonous order.

Nor will we assist, or support any such attempt to disarm the people by other government entities, either state or federal.



In addition, we affirm that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to preserve the military power of the people so that they will, in the last resort, have effective final recourse to arms and to the God of Hosts in the face of tyranny. Accordingly, we oppose any and all further infringements on the right of the people to keep and bear arms. In particular we oppose a renewal of the misnamed “assault-weapons” ban or the enactment of H.R. 45 (which would register and track gun owners like convicted pedophiles).

2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects -- such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons.

One of the causes of the American Revolution was the use of “writs of assistance,” which were essentially warrantless searches because there was no requirement of a showing of probable cause to a judge, and the first fiery embers of American resistance were born in opposition to those infamous writs. The Founders considered all warrantless searches to be unreasonable and egregious. It was to prevent a repeat of such violations of the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects that the Fourth Amendment was written.

We expect that sweeping warrantless searches of homes and vehicles, under some pretext, will be the means used to attempt to disarm the people.

3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal.

One of the causes of the American Revolution was the denial of the right to jury trial, the use of admiralty courts (military tribunals) instead, and the application of the laws of war to the colonists. After that experience, and being well aware of the infamous Star Chamber in English history, the Founders ensured that the international laws of war would apply only to foreign enemies, not to the American people. Thus, the Article III Treason Clause establishes the only constitutional form of trial for an American, not serving in the military, who is accused of making war on his own nation. Such a trial for treason must be before a civilian jury, not a tribunal.

The international laws of war do not trump our Bill of Rights. We reject as illegitimate any such claimed power, as did the Supreme Court in Ex Parte Milligan (1865). Any attempt to apply the laws of war to American civilians, under any pretext, such as against domestic “militia” groups the government brands “domestic terrorists,” is an act of war and an act of treason.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state’s legislature and governor.

One of the causes of the American Revolution was the attempt “to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power” by disbanding the Massachusetts legislature and appointing General Gage as “military governor.” The attempt to disarm the people of Massachusetts during that martial law sparked our Revolution. Accordingly, the power to impose martial law – the absolute rule over the people by a military officer with his will alone being law – is nowhere enumerated in our Constitution.

Further, it is the militia of a state and of the several states that the Constitution contemplates being used in any context, during any emergency within a state, not the standing army.

The imposition of martial law by the national government over a state and its people, treating them as an occupied enemy nation, is an act of war. Such an attempted suspension of the Constitution and Bill of Rights voids the compact with the states and with the people.


Patrick Henry: “Give me Liberty, or Give me DEATH!”

Tyrants know that the pen of a man such as Thomas Paine can cause them more damage than entire armies, and thus they always seek to suppress the natural rights of speech, association, and assembly. Without freedom of speech, the people will have no recourse but to arms. Without freedom of speech and conscience, there is no freedom.
Therefore, we will not obey or support any orders to suppress or violate the right of the people to speak, associate, worship, assemble, communicate, or petition government for the redress of grievances.

— And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually affirm our oath and pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor. Oath Keepers

The above list is not exhaustive but we do consider them to be clear tripwires – they form our “line in the sand,” and if we receive such orders, we will not obey them. Further, we will know that the time for another American Revolution is nigh. If you the people decide that you have no recourse, and such a revolution comes, at that time, not only will we NOT fire upon our fellow Americans who righteously resist such egregious violations of their God given rights, we will join them in fighting against those who dare attempt to enslave them.
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